[OOC] Fade: Space NRP-RPG fusion

[Sigma]

@Hael Alliances slowly building up, should be good fun :P

[Hael]

Machines are OP.

They live forever and don't get disease please ban.

@Arawak

That's not a logical argument. Machines have other weaknesses. They could be hacked. They are vulnerable to electric charges (if they operate off electricity). They can't breed. It's a nice, fair trade-off: you get immortality and disease immunity in exchange for hacking and no natural breeding.

ASTA's race does not have any of the weaknesses of machines, so for what reason should I allow them any of the strengths of machines?

@Hael Alliances slowly building up, should be good fun :P

@Sigma

Precisely. I'm getting a very "pre WW1" vibe from this, aren't you?

[Arawak]

Kazzlehorf's drones are unhackable.

Kasahov did it, but he's a cheater.

Cheaters never win.

(Yes, Kazzlehorf is going to claim that you are 'cheating' if you get any upper hand over him.)

[Hael]

Kazzlehorf's drones are unhackable.

Kasahov did it, but he's a cheater.

Cheaters never win.

(Yes, Kazzlehorf is going to claim that you are 'cheating' if you get any upper hand over him.)

@Arawak

See, there it is: those drones don't get sick or age, but Kasahov could hack them, and they can't be created naturally. That's a good trade-off. Allowing an organic race with immortality and disease-immunity would not be a trade-off.

Regardless, I'm curious: how did Kasahov pick his name?

[darkandstar]

@Arawak Machines rust and break down. xD

[Hael]

@Arawak Machines rust and break down. xD

@darkandstar

Yeah, but that can be avoided with proper maintenance, especially in a sci-fi environment, so one could still count them as "immortal". However, the major weaknesses balance that out.

So, what are you planning on for an explorer?

[Sigma]

@Hael Sorta getting it, yeah, except of course in Space, the war will be more brutal with the Xim now allied another Empire or two.

[Arawak]

It's a mutation of Kazzlehorf.

The "zz" becomes an S.

The "le" became an A.

The "rf" became a V.

[Hael]

It's a mutation of Kazzlehorf.

The "zz" becomes an S.

The "le" became an A.

The "rf" became a V.

@Arawak

I would of just gone for Kazzlehorf backwards (Forhelzzak) or something else predictable

[darkandstar]

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Yeah, but that can be avoided with proper maintenance, especially in a sci-fi environment, so one could still count them as "immortal". However, the major weaknesses balance that out.

So, what are you planning on for an explorer?

@Hael

That was my point, Hael. xD Machines aren't OP because they need maintenance, where biological beings don't, or to be more specific, bio beings automatically maintain themselves where machines will need another machine to help them. It is a weakness. Doesn't need to be balanced out.

As for explorer, umm...
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Nah, jk. I'm thinking a war vet who was given a nice cushy job as captain of some ship on the inner territories. And then suddenly gets booted back out to the rim and actually has to do work for the first time since the war, life is so unfair! xD

[Hael]

@Hael Sorta getting it, yeah, except of course in Space, the war will be more brutal with the Xim now allied another Empire or two.

@Sigma

I'm sort of worried that the Federation won't survive. I mean, even if the Commonwealth defends them, that same Commonwealth will likely turn right around and try to absorb them into itself.

Unless the war is either really soft, or the Federation manages to avoid the brunt of it, I can imagine it either being conquered by the Xim or someone else, or becoming part of the Commonwealth.

Not saying it's gonna happen for sure: just that it might.

[Sigma]

@Hael Being part of the Commonwealth is probably the more favored outcome if it came to it, at least they won't be scienced out to extinction :P

@darkandstar Sounds like one of my characters, except he is not amused with his calmer duties.

[Hael]

@Hael Being part of the Commonwealth is probably the more favored outcome if it came to it, at least they won't be scienced out to extinction :P

@Sigma

Not extinction, evolution! They will join the Xim in becoming higher beings. Stronger, faster, smarter! It's worth not technically being "human" anymore for that, isn't it? Species is such an abstract concept compared to definite things like a longer lifespan and a more flexible appearance.

Well, that's how the Xim see it, anyway

[Sigma]

@Hael You know, now that you mention it. This gives me an idea. What if there was a Cult or somesuch organization that is Pro-Xim, that want to fully embrace the "Evolution" "Ascension" or whatever the Xim offer, these people could've been active during and after war as collaborators for the Xim.

And after the war, some may have even left with the Xim, while others remained behind to continue the "war".

[babbysama]

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Woah, woah, woah.

I didn't approve you to post.

@Hael

Sorry about that, will fill out the NS before posting again

[Hael]

@babbysama

No problem, man/woman/it/that/those/Michael Jackson, mistakes happen. ;)

@Hael You know, now that you mention it. This gives me an idea. What if there was a Cult or somesuch organization that is Pro-Xim, that want to fully embrace the "Evolution" "Ascension" or whatever the Xim offer, these people could've been active during and after war as collaborators for the Xim.

And after the war, some may have even left with the Xim, while others remained behind to continue the "war".

@Sigma

I love that idea!

I'll PM you about it in a bit. Just... just let me finish my NS! My gosh, it's taking me so much longer than I ever expected!

I'm sorry guys

[Sigma]

@Hael Sounds good with me :)

What would you want this organization to be called?

[Lauder]

@ASTA

While Hael made herself clear, I would like to point out that even through technological advancements the diseases you fight would evolve to become even stronger so no you couldn't outright get rid of diseases, not to mention diseases from other planets. Your little nano things wouldn't know how to fight against a foreign object that it does not know, in fact it may very well begin attacking the host's own cells.

Secondly, while yes someone could achieve a long lifespan, does that mean they are ageless? No, not at all. Even if you had 3,000 years to do so, you don't even know how long it would take to even formulate this regardless. There is also the balancing issues here. Your citizens don't die? That means your worlds would become overwhelmed by population and its resources would diminish quickly. Thus you would have to always be expanding or roaming. While yes, I played myself there, it would be nice if your people tried to extend their ages in the RP. Have then set on achieving what you described through the means of the RP and not start off with it. Thus other players may be able to scale with you.

I know Hael made up her decision, I just personally want you to see that there are other ways to go about this. I just wanted to throw this in because it has been bothering me.

[Hael]

@ASTA

While Hael made herself clear, I would like to point out that even through technological advancements the diseases you fight would evolve to become even stronger so no you couldn't outright get rid of diseases, not to mention diseases from other planets. Your little nano things wouldn't know how to fight against a foreign object that it does not know, in fact it may very well begin attacking the host's own cells.

Secondly, while yes someone could achieve a long lifespan, does that mean they are ageless? No, not at all. Even if you had 3,000 years to do so, you don't even know how long it would take to even formulate this regardless. There is also the balancing issues here. Your citizens don't die? That means your worlds would become overwhelmed by population and its resources would diminish quickly. Thus you would have to always be expanding or roaming. While yes, I played myself there, it would be nice if your people tried to extend their ages in the RP. Have then set on achieving what you described through the means of the RP and not start off with it. Thus other players may be able to scale with you.

I know Hael made up her decision, I just personally want you to see that there are other ways to go about this. I just wanted to throw this in because it has been bothering me.

@Lauder

If you do that ^^, @ASTA, I will allow it

I know I got pretty upset before, and I apologize.

In case anyone somehow hadn't realized, your dear GM has some rather severe anger issues I get so upset over small things that my vision blurs and my blood pressure shoots through the roof. Still, that's no excuse. Sorry.

Regardless, I still stand by my decision on immortality and disease, but if you wish to have a race that is seeking to obtain these things rather than already having them, I welcome and even encourage it. I have a race seeking to be the ultimate beings, afterall.

@Hael Sounds good with me :)

What would you want this organization to be called?

@Sigma

Hmmm...

Perhaps "The Ascensionalists" or "Evolutionists" (though that is the name of an actual thing xD). Or, if we're looking for something more dramatic, there's "The Hands of Evolution" or "The Cult of Xim".

If you want something simple, there's also "The Ximists" and "The Initiatives"

[darkandstar]

@Lauder While we're speaking of things that bother us I need to throw in that I'm pretty sure I've seen you and @Hael(mostly/entirely Hael actually) denying techs on a false basis. Unintentionally I'm sure, but it irks me in a way to see say, very long lives to immortality thrown out due to it being unrealistic, when it's on par with warp drives in that particular department, if not more realistic than them.

My point is: sure, ban it for how OP it is, but don't ban it for how unrealistic it is, because it's more realistic than a hell of a lot of other techs you've approved. That was just an example, and I'm not trying to tell you how to do your job it's just, well as Lauder said, it bothers me.

Edit: and sorry if I sounded rude I didn't mean to. I've just rewritten that like 8 times and I gave up and just sent what I had.