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I think we need to get away from the "natural" vs "artificial" distinction. One big problem is that we literally don't have any characters (at least ones that have been accepted) that received their powers "naturally". So, let's go through them, shall we?


I personally liked how fdeviant went about his explanation of Meta and a different point to cover, it was a bit less... harsh to me. Namely, right now, you're only considering the ones who are already active. Not the ones in S2 or future.

From the list in the OP, there are three characters that probably would be considered having "natural" abilities. However, even being born with the powers can be problematic. Spider-Man, according to your guys' definition, would be a metahuman because his powers were not "natural". However, would you consider his daughter (either Mayday in MC2 or Anna in Renew Your Vows) a mutant or a metahuman (or mutate in Marvel terminology)? Mayday/Anna were born with their powers, bu they inherited their powers from their father, who did not receive his powers naturally. So would she be a mutant or a metahuman?


It depends on the abilities, are they identical to Spiderman's to the very letter? If so, I would consider they would be meta due to the fact the abilities were passed but their origins are still unnatural. If their abilities altered and weren't exact, say they lacked webbing or wallcrawling or had venom, than I would lean toward mutation since the genes might've been triggered and were there all along.

Lyger, from what NSM stated, I classed as a mutant as his abilities were originally there but triggered by the meta blood which is similar to the argument you stated. I could even argue, based on what you stated, he could be a bit of both since they combined (though a bit odd to me).

This is the main reason I've not bothered to make a scientific PC or even detail Gene Co's work because I don't want to block people into a set line of thinking, even if I enjoy the aspect and like exploring it in writing.

This line of thinking could even be taken further. So, mutants are supposed to be created by evolution. But what if the first mutants were really just humans that have been altered by either aliens (as the mainstream Marvel mutants are) or by other humans (as the Ultimate Universe mutants were). This even expands to the Inhumans, who were experiments by the Kree. Where is the line drawn? Sure, after several generations, the powers would be "natural" because nothing beyond dominant genes would cause them, but that gene was created artificially to begin with.


See, the bad part of a sandbox with such loose rules is it doesn't matter what I think or create. I can set ideas for my own creations, but someone is going to alter it or change it in some fashion because they don't like the idea .In truth, there's so many ways to look at it as comics have proven. This is the main reason I brought up the conversation at all as see what others though, and maybe share my own views. I never pushed. I even admitted to fdeviant I never looked at the Meta term in that fashion until he brought it up, proving I can shift my thoughts when it's explained in a different way. Despite how it sounds, nothing I state is set in stone even if it is placed into the IC because it won't be universal or likely everyone will accept it.

Therefore, I think that a better schema would be the source of the powers. Are they hybrids? Are the powers the result of a gene(s)? Are the powers magically induced?


Isn't that more of a break down for description? Like how scientist class animals where they have Genus, Family, etc rather than board terms and such as we were discussing about?
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NSM, if I recall right from the skype conversation, mentioned that the blood transfusion activated Lyger's own natural one. Like a jump start.


Shhhhhh.....plot twists.....;)
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Shhhhhh.....plot twists.....;)


Not once did you tell me that... that I can recall. XD
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Not once did you tell me that... that I can recall. XD


Pretty sure I did, but I could be wrong. So no worries lol
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Pretty sure I did, but I could be wrong. So no worries lol


It's on skype so back pedal Clipper fan. Back pedal! :p
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I personally liked how fdeviant went about his explanation of Meta and a different point to cover, it was a bit less... harsh to me. Namely, right now, you're only considering the ones who are already active. Not the ones in S2 or future.


I'm not saying that people cannot make characters that receive their powers "naturally". I just don't think a distinction between "natural" and "artificial" powers needs to be made.

What would be the difference between someone who naturally had the "metagene" (and I would define this as an individual who has certain genes that allow him/her to have powers. Not much different from things like eye color, hair texture, etc.) and someone who does not naturally have this "metagene", but through other means this "metagene" is encoded into the person's DNA later in the individual's life?

Let's get a little more specific. Let's say that in the human genome, there are specific genes that can grant superhuman powers and these specific genes have alleles that determines whether the person will have powers. Let's say Person A has the "superhuman" alleles in these genes and therefore has some sort of superhuman powers. Then, let's take someone like Raptor or Arachne, who were born without the "superhuman" alleles. However, due to being injected with Doctor Diplodoc's serum, those "normal" alleles are replaced with "superhuman" alleles, which gives them their powers, even though they were not naturally born with them. So, is it really necessary to establish a distinction between Person A and Raptor/Arachne because one person was born with the powers while the other did not, even though their powers are caused by the same genes/alleles?
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I'm not saying that people cannot make characters that receive their powers "naturally". I just don't think a distinction between "natural" and "artificial" powers needs to be made.

After what fdeviant stated, I started to lean away and tried to looked at it another way. However, you came back to it and I don’t know if you spotted I was open to accepting the Meta term as being more board description.

What would be the difference between someone who naturally had the "metagene" (and I would define this as an individual who has certain genes that allow him/her to have powers. Not much different from things like eye color, hair texture, etc.) and someone who does not naturally have this "metagene", but through other means this "metagene" is encoded into the person's DNA later in the individual's life?


I had to look back on one of Jackie’s IC posts (which I didn’t realized I did this to be honest until this post reminded me of something) but I am now starting to consider it’s not whether you have it or not, but rather how it’s turned on. Analyzing her post and considering the mental notes I’m still forming in my head, Jackie’s made it sound like everyone has multiple meta/mutant genes laced in their genome and when an outside influence is introduced to the mix, it can flip key genes on to create powers. That’s, a short simple explanation, of how she creates and evolve her SES.

This makes sense to me as I’ve done some minor research over genetics and learned some genetic markers for certain traits have been ‘switched’ off due to obsolete or lack of need in favor of others. Again, through, it’s a theory last I knew. I would have to research more to make sure.
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For those involved in the Natural Selections Arc, one last update and reminder: I'm going to give Melon the green light to move the scene on and get this launch, anyone who's not set themselves up has until Friday to so and get ready for the clash. Those who haven't managed to make a post and notified me about an extension, you'll have to work yourself into the story by yourself and when you can because my focus is going to be mainly to keep the story going at a steady pace to a finish.

Key spoilers, don't open if you don't want to know the possible endings and rather find out through the IC then please ignore the spoilers.


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For those involved in the Natural Selections Arc, one last update and reminder: I'm going to give Melon the green light to move the scene on and get this launch, anyone who's not set themselves up has until Friday to so and get ready for the clash. Those who haven't managed to make a post and notified me about an extension, you'll have to work yourself into the story by yourself and when you can because my focus is going to be mainly to keep the story going at a steady pace to a finish.

Key spoilers, don't open if you don't want to know the possible endings and rather find out through the IC then please ignore the spoilers.



Ok, so here are the ways I have discussed with others that Marie/Joseph could get involved.

A) Josie, AKA The Red Reaper, is told by her boss to get more information on/protection from the Cowl at The Red Devil. There, she makes a deal with Puck and Joseph, who gets involved with the villains at first, then goes hero afterward. Or. . .

B) Rach causes some weird mystical disturbance because of interactions with Odette. Puck picks up on it and sends Joseph to investigate/meddle. Joseph starts out and stays on Rach's side and helps her escape the villains.

I don't have a preference so which one do you prefer/which do the other people involved prefer? No matter the situation, my PC/NPC will have to be brought in based on other people's actions, so whichever we decide is better is fine with me.
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I am building towards Several different possible arcs for people to join in season 2. Fighting Triads (Possibly foiling some joint deal with the Cowl in the process). N-Y Subway getting overun by norse styled undead (Vat and I have been discussing this one. Pendragon is likely to team up with RUNE on this one at least.)

And Broker will want to "talk shop" with other evildoers. Illuminati style. :D
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Ok, so here are the ways I have discussed with others that Marie/Joseph could get involved.

A) Josie, AKA The Red Reaper, is told by her boss to get more information on/protection from the Cowl at The Red Devil. There, she makes a deal with Puck and Joseph, who gets involved with the villains at first, then goes hero afterward. Or. . .

B) Rach causes some weird mystical disturbance because of interactions with Odette. Puck picks up on it and sends Joseph to investigate/meddle. Joseph starts out and stays on Rach's side and helps her escape the villains.

I don't have a preference so which one do you prefer/which do the other people involved prefer? No matter the situation, my PC/NPC will have to be brought in based on other people's actions, so whichever we decide is better is fine with me.


Indeed, which I think it's going to be the latter since Athanir is so busy. However good to be converted either why nevertheless.
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@Hellis I am working out an arc for White Witch to follow for a while at the beginning of Season 2 and I could see Broker being involved at some point, if you'd be fine with that.

Also, I imagine Broker and Puck will cross paths at some point, being that they're both the magical deal making type.
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Indeed, which I think it's going to be the latter since Athanir is so busy. However good to be converted either why nevertheless.


Alrighty then. Once things kick off and Rach gets herself into magical trouble, I'll whip up a post for Joseph and throw it in.
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And Broker will want to "talk shop" with other evildoers. Illuminati style. :D

Maven would love to get in on that. XD
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@fdeviant Absolutely :D
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@NeutralNexus I think we're good for the collab. I'll edit for spelling and grammar and post it if you want. Format it as well.

Edit: All done! Lookin' pretty gooooood.
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That...was long. :)
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That...was long. :)


I... could say so much about that... to make Ded happy, I'm merely saying this: It doesn't matter how long it is but how you write it.
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*waves at @Pirouette* Hello!
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