[OOC] Pokemon: New World

[Typical]

@lugubrious Yeah I know haha. Leisy won't hold a grudge either. Let's have them meet some other day then :)

[Typical]

@balthazar007 As you're keeping track of CP/TP/Inventory, I'll be taking them out of my CS to avoid confusing people as I don't update them anyway. That is, if it's okay with you? I can add them back in, but having to constantly update them is a little...

[Balthazar007]

@balthazar007 As you're keeping track of CP/TP/Inventory, I'll be taking them out of my CS to avoid confusing people as I don't update them anyway. That is, if it's okay with you? I can add them back in, but having to constantly update them is a little...

@Dusksong

That is fine. In fact, I suggest that everyone do this.

[Balthazar007]

@Dusksong

I'm going to award your Trainer points and Creation point earned through your last IC post now. I would however like to point out one mistake. While Beedrill is a Bug type Pokemon, it is also a Poison type. Any wild Pokemon that you encounter in the Central City location MUST have all their 'types' covered. With six Pokemon types in Central City already, I do not feel that it is necessary to add another. Please edit that half of your post before continuing.

[Typical]

@balthazar007 eep forgot about that. Well, time for Cillian to get chased by the scariest hive of Combee you'll ever meet. Ever.

[Balthazar007]

@balthazar007 eep forgot about that. Well, time for Cillian to get chased by the scariest hive of Combee you'll ever meet. Ever.

@Dusksong

Hahaha! Love it!

[Lugubrious]

Yo, @Balthazar007, I have a suggestion that I think is worth considering. In the OP, there's this:

Expert Perks: You can now evolve Pokemon to their third stage, as well as catch them already in this form. You can now also catch Pokemon that don't evolve

Personally, I think it would make a lot more sense if non-legendary, non-mythical Pokemon that didn't evolve were put into the tier-two slot of Pokemon, the kind that you can catch with a Great Ball. On the whole, Pokemon of this category aren't super great. There are some competitive stars out there like Skarmory, Kangaskan, Heracross, Klefki, but for each one of those, there's a Farfetch'd, Zangoose, Dunsparce, Stunfisk, and Sudowoodo. They're better than the vast majority of tier-1s and on the whole worse than tier-3s. Having to wait until I've caught fifty Pokemon and fully evolved ten of them to have the ability to catch trash Pokemon like Farfetch'd, Corsola, Delibird, Basculin, Plusle/Minun, Luvdisc, Spina, Torkoal, and Stantler seems a bit odd.

Anyone else feel the same way? To be completely transparent, a main reason why I'm asking is that a gimmick pertaining towards Audino makes me feel as if it would be a great partner for enhancing Olivie's character.

[Zarkun]

Yo, @Balthazar007, I have a suggestion that I think is worth considering. In the OP, there's this:

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Personally, I think it would make a lot more sense if non-legendary, non-mythical Pokemon that didn't evolve were put into the tier-two slot of Pokemon, the kind that you can catch with a Great Ball. On the whole, Pokemon of this category aren't super great. There are some competitive stars out there like Skarmory, Kangaskan, Heracross, Klefki, but for each one of those, there's a Farfetch'd, Zangoose, Dunsparce, Stunfisk, and Sudowoodo. They're better than the vast majority of tier-1s and on the whole worse than tier-3s. Having to wait until I've caught fifty Pokemon and fully evolved ten of them to have the ability to catch trash Pokemon like Farfetch'd, Corsola, Delibird, Basculin, Plusle/Minun, Luvdisc, Spina, Torkoal, and Stantler seems a bit odd.

Anyone else feel the same way? To be completely transparent, a main reason why I'm asking is that a gimmick pertaining towards Audino makes me feel as if it would be a great partner for enhancing Olivie's character.

@Lugubrious

I can certainly see where you're coming from, and it's most definitely a valid point. Though for the system that's being used, it arguably works quite well. Though...I'll be honest, I don't see many people ever getting to have fully evolved Pokemon without NPC battles and I only say that because PCs can go...pretty much any direction they want from Central City. Trainer Points will be fairly scarce.

[Typical]

@lugubrious I agree with @zarkun about the fact that it works quite well for this system. Yes there are bad pokemon, but that's true for all evolution lines, not just the non-evolving lines. I think the main reason the non-evolving pokemon are in that category's 'cuz they're technically fully-grown by that form, and if you make some assumptions about the whole "strong wills" concept it makes sense.

[Lugubrious]

@lugubrious I agree with @zarkun about the fact that it works quite well for this system. Yes there are bad pokemon, but that's true for all evolution lines, not just the non-evolving lines. I think the main reason the non-evolving pokemon are in that category's 'cuz they're technically fully-grown by that form, and if you make some assumptions about the whole "strong wills" concept it makes sense.

@Dusksong

You're quite right about the plurality of bad pokes. But, since there's zero difference in the form of a non-evolving poke's from the time it's one week old to thirty years old, I don't know how well the 'fully-grown' argument works out. Stage one pokes are always the babies and stage three the fully-grown adults, but non-evos have to be babies, juveniles, and adults, all confined to the same form. From what I know, at least, there are way more pokes typically thought of as very good that are stage threes of evolving lines than non-evolving Pokemon; the non-evos that do typically have some gimmick, like one ridiculously exaggerated stat, an amazing ability, or a Mega evolution.

It's not really a big deal, in the end, but as Zarkun said I can pretty much guarantee that nobody at all is going to reach the Expert trainer level in this RP. With just our starting pokes, that's twenty feature-length battles to evolve just one poke to stage three. With an earning of one trainer point per post, in order to catch fifty Pokemon you need 49 more Pokeballs minimum which requires 245 trainer points, or 245 posts. With that in mind, the chance of ever getting a non-evolving poke is pretty low.

Balth, I urge you to not take this as criticism. I know what I signed on for, and if I wasn't okay with this, I wouldn't have joined.

Edit: I do know that organizations can be used to speed up the trainer point process. THat said, in order to evolve ten pokemon to final form, which in the best case scenario means that all are two-stage Pokemon that will only take 10 battles each, that's still 90 battles. This, too, is not counting for boosters such as rare candies or evolutionary stones, though I expect those to be rare. It also might be unfair of me to say that 245 posts is a pretty unlikely achievement for each player, as well, but in addition that that being more posts than Dusksong has made so far on RPGuild, it is also -I think- more than the lifespan of quite a few RPs.

[Typical]

@balthazar007 I have to say that @lugubrious makes a really good point there. Although I may stay around for a long time, this RP is taking up an unproportionate amount of my posts in my struggle to amass points haha
I'm actually trying to see how fast I can progress here, sorta. Get lazy at times ^_^'
Maybe you could lower the price of rare candies? It's pretty unfortunate that I'd have to post a hundred times to be able to evolve a pokemon I can easily catch instead. I actually weighed the benefits--what's the point of ever buying rare candies if you can catch 20 more pokemon instead, counting towards the trainer rank? And then the great ball's only 2x the cost (I do hope I'm getting thede costs right cuz I'm too lazy to check right now) of a rare candy, meaning I should be constantly swapping out my tean instead of bothering to feed the candies.
Oh and battles are the same deal. Why should I spend three or so days hashing it out with another player and waiting for them to post when I can easily accumulate posts/trainer points by posting normally? That the pokemon only earns one level from the battle is really sad... I could just post twenty times, get a great ball, and catch an evolved version

Overall the points badically say that I'd have to stick around for a few months if I want to get anywhere, and that would definitely put me off if I didn't like Pokemon haha

//Edit: Ooo I see the evolution shard and I like it :)
But... The great ball is cheaper D:
I'd save 5tp by catching an evolved form rather than evolving it... I guess the point could be made that I'd want to keep my pokemon's level, but chances are I could make a lot more posts individually than in battles, therefore racking up points. I'd probably only start participating in battles after getting a nonevolvable pokemon or a pokemon at its highest evolution, so the cost of thr evolution shard... Maybe it should be equal to the great ball? Or give two options--one at 25 to keep level, one at 15 or so to not keep level but evolve the poke. Then, I'd be tempted not to switch out my Fletchling for its evolved for at the first chance :/
Story wise it'd screw me over, but the story is just the story.

[Eklispe]

With our current cast I believe I'll be creating a male energetic sporty guy. He'll prob favor fighting types and anything that looks tough or reasonably cool, though he if he sees something as an underdog he'll for that too. Instead of continuing to describe him though I should probably just start writing him ^.^

[Balthazar007]

Thanks for your excitement everyone!!!

Pokemon that don't evolve were already intended to be second tier, not top tier. That was in a previous update. Just look at the Pokemon>tiers section. I just forgot to change the ranks section to reflect this. I'll do this as soon as I'm home from work tonight.

@Eklispe
I look forward to seeing your trainer!

@Dusksong
I will look into your concerns further regarding the price of evolving vs catching an evolved Pokemon. I would like you to double check the current organization that is available and imagine the possibilities of other organizations. Organizations are actually intended to be a way to exponentially increase the number of trainer points that you earn.

[Lugubrious]

Thanks for your excitement everyone!!!

Pokemon that don't evolve were already intended to be second tier, not top tier. That was in a previous update. Just look at the Pokemon>tiers section. I just forgot to change the ranks section to reflect this. I'll do this as soon as I'm home from work tonight.

@Balthazar007

Oh! Good stuff.

[KiritoAsuna]

Am I too late to grab a cs?

[Typical]

@kiritoasuna Definitely not :)

[KiritoAsuna]

Yaay.

[KiritoAsuna]

@Dusksong who do I pm it to when I'm done? And what I'd a valid starter pokemon

[Typical]

@kiritoasuna pm the sheet to balthazar007, the trusty GM. As for starters, you'll catch one in rp. Your character starts off with a pokevall so he or she can catch any pokemon with the typings listed for central city.

[KiritoAsuna]

@Dusksong I saw fire as a type so as long as it is possible to have growlithe I am happy. Favorite Pokémon ever