[OOC] Dragon Ball Z: The Rebel Alliance

[Archmage MC]

The REAL question here is, why are you even starting all this drama in the first place? Its a DB RP, we should be having fun powering up for 5 episodes. xD

[vancexentan]

don't look at me I don't even particularly care. I just want to see how strong I can get Garth before the rp just dies like every other rp on the site does.

[Double]

The REAL question here is, why are you even starting all this drama in the first place? Its a DB RP, we should be having fun powering up for 5 episodes. xD

@Archmage MC

Because I poured all my creativity into writing a unique character with an original backstory, but then along comes you going "Lol I'mma create a loophole in the rules by making a Majin CLONE because I want to play a Majin even though the GM said they didn't want any Majins in the game herp derp." It makes me feel like all my effort was pointless when all I had to do was slap together a soulless clone that spits in the face of the RP's own rules to get accepted.

[Double]

don't look at me I don't even particularly care. I just want to see how strong I can get Garth before the rp just dies like every other rp on the site does.

@vancexentan

So this is going to be one those kind of games? Wish I'd seen that sooner or I wouldn't have bothered joining. What you're describing isn't roleplaying, it's level grinding. Like, seriously, all you're actually here for is to power level a character? Really? And here I thought we were here to work together to tell an interesting and compelling story about individuals being forced to play the villains whether they liked it or not. Well silly me for thinking such a crazy idea.

[BladeSS4]

It never came out and said it was a Majin. It has a lot of Majin qualities but at the same time its. It could be something more like Baby. It was slightly morph abled that also morphed while controlling the body of others....

[Double]

It never came out and said it was a Majin. It has a lot of Majin qualities but at the same time its. It could be something more like Baby. It was slightly morph abled that also morphed while controlling the body of others....

@BladeSS4

Majins were banned for a reason. Its because they're the most disgustingly OP creatures in existence. And no matter how you try to spin it, it's still a clone of a Majin. Like I said earlier, cloning is the act of creating a new life form using pre-existing samples or templates. That's exactly what Voide is. She is an attempt to recreate Majin Buu using his form and abilities as the template. In other words, a goddamn clone!

[Hillan]

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Because I poured all my creativity into writing a unique character with an original backstory, but then along comes you going "Lol I'mma create a loophole in the rules by making a Majin CLONE because I want to play a Majin even though the GM said they didn't want any Majins in the game herp derp." It makes me feel like all my effort was pointless when all I had to do was slap together a soulless clone that spits in the face of the RP's own rules to get accepted.

@Double

Hey. Pipe down.

No rules were broken. Archmage did not make a majin, in fact, his entire sheet doesn't even make note of either Buu or Majins. Only the God Of Destruction. Only Beerus. Frieza knew of Beerus, long before he died.

It's not a very great character concept. But I made a amalgam of Piccolo Jr. And Lord Slug, and there's no fuss over that. Archmage made a character that skirts the rules, sure. But he did get around the problem with the Majins. Which is; They'd be too fucking strong. A Majin would easily be as strong as Frieza's final form, I see no way they couldn't be.

But something touched from space dust touched by Beerus? Sure! Zero's cool, he's mixing two tropes already used in DBZ, the science and the growth of the Saiybamen, and I'm 100% onboard with that. with Archmage's character, it's a bit of a tougher sell (Hah, cell.). If only because I still don't really think something that comes with a sticker that says "Made by Beerus" could be compared to a Frieza Soldier.

Also, Frieza's shown no skills in magic, nor has his army, and doing what Archmage suggests requires a rather incredible magical knowledge, at least imo. Knowledge of the Gods and the Kais, etc. None of which Frieza really has, except he knows of Beerus, because Beerus was the one dude he was never allowed to fuck with. Well, him and Majin Buu. (According to King Cold, whom apparently knew of both.)

Archmage made a new race. It's not a Majin. It's something influenced by a Majin, but everything's an influence of something, it's not a crime to take inspiration from things to make something new.

I'm leaving acceptance to Kitsune, but you both better stop fighting. Less arguing, and more posting.

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So this is going to be one those kind of games? Wish I'd seen that sooner or I wouldn't have bothered joining. What you're describing isn't roleplaying, it's level grinding. Like, seriously, all you're actually here for is to power level a character? Really? And here I thought we were here to work together to tell an interesting and compelling story about individuals being forced to play the villains whether they liked it or not. Well silly me for thinking such a crazy idea.

@Double

You're right. We're here to tell a story. Not to level grind and laugh about who's power level's the highest. But being passive aggressive and taking everything anyone else do, and say as a personal insult isn't going to get you anywhere. Chill out.

In the words of the great Mr. Freeze.

"Be Cool, Batman."

[Hillan]

@Archmage MC

Also, Kitsune has not accepted your sheet yet. General practice is that only accepted sheets go in the character tab.
Cheers.

[Archmage MC]

@Archmage MC

Also, Kitsune has not accepted your sheet yet. General practice is that only accepted sheets go in the character tab.
Cheers.

@Hillan

He accepted over PMs where we tried to get the thing all sorted out and stuff.

[Hillan]

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He accepted over PMs where we tried to get the thing all sorted out and stuff.

@Archmage MC

Aight.

[BladeSS4]

"Be Cool, Batman."

@Hillan

What if we become cooler?

Sorry couldn't resist that little pun

[Hillan]

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What if we become cooler?

Sorry couldn't resist that little pun

@BladeSS4

Touché.

[Double]

Also, Frieza's shown no skills in magic, nor has his army, and doing what Archmage suggests requires a rather incredible magical knowledge, at least imo. Knowledge of the Gods and the Kais, etc. None of which Frieza really has, except he knows of Beerus, because Beerus was the one dude he was never allowed to fuck with. Well, him and Majin Buu. (According to King Cold, whom apparently knew of both.)

@Hillan

Well congrats, Frieza, for ignoring and breaking the one and only rule you were ever given. You had one job, dumbass. Frankly I'm surprised King Cold doesn't know about this and immediately proceed to punish Frieza for defying his orders but... yeah sure whatever. Fuck logic.

[Archmage MC]

Hey double, chill out man.

Why not watch TFS make their Bloodborne character? Its pretty hilarious if you haven't seen it yet.

youtu.be/-9f9NH5u32I?list=PLAD5jdjmBF5..

[Double]

Hey double, chill out man.

Why not watch TFS make their Bloodborne character? Its pretty hilarious if you haven't seen it yet.

youtu.be/-9f9NH5u32I?list=PLAD5jdjmBF5..

@Archmage MC

Let me guess they go out of their way to make the most butt ugly character imaginable while cracking unfunny jokes and giggling at their so-called "cleverness". Yeah, I've seen them play Fallout 4 already so I think I'll pass.

[Double]

For the record, I don't see how specifying that Voide is a clone of Beerus and not Buu is supposed to help her case. If anything that just makes it worse. Plus, there's no longer any suspense or mystery about who will survive missions or end up the strongest. It's perfectly obvious who that is, it's the person who cloned from fucking BEERUS, the most powerful being in the goddamned universe!

Like, in a hypothetical scenario, what chance could a broken schmuck like Nero have when he's surrounded on all sides by these super special snowflakes and their extra special genes and stuff that will no doubt make them far more disgustingly powerful than an average schmoe like Nero ever has a chance at being?

[Archmage MC]

Its not a beerus clone either. Just something using energy found there that was undocumented and had strange properties. Might not even be related at all.

I just got the feeling you just wanna start something to start something mate, not cool.

Can anyone explain to me what Dragon Ball Heroes is? I hear it from time to time but I have no clue what it is.

[Hillan]

For the record, I don't see how specifying that Voide is a clone of Beerus and not Buu is supposed to help her case. If anything that just makes it worse. Plus, there's no longer any suspense or mystery about who will survive missions or end up the strongest. It's perfectly obvious who that is, it's the person who cloned from fucking BEERUS, the most powerful being in the goddamned universe!

Like, in a hypothetical scenario, what chance could a broken schmuck like Nero have when he's surrounded on all sides by these super special snowflakes and their extra special genes and stuff that will no doubt make them far more disgustingly powerful than an average schmoe like Nero ever has a chance at being?

@Double

Being engineered from dust touched by Beerus =//= Clone of Beerus.

As far as average schmucks go, Yamcha, Tien and Krillin all started out with powelevels at around 50. By the end of Z, they are top 15 strongest beings in universe 7, for sure. And none of them even tried all that hard, or got any reasonable powerups, either. If Tien had gotten the mystic power up by the Elder Kai, or if Yamcha had learnt the Kaioken, or a million other things, the series would be completely different.

The whole point of Dragon Ball is that what you're at birth does not define you. "With hard enough training, even a low-class can overcome an elite" is what the show's always about. (A bit distracted by the fact that the show's always focused on Goku and Vegeta, and them constantly getting powerups based on their genetics as Saiyans, but Toriyama was never the best at storyboarding.)

Due to the constraints of the RP, we'll probably never see any real rifts in power. Perhaps arcwise one character will get a powerup, and in the next one, someone else will.

Besides, didn't you just preach how you didn't want this to be a game about power levels, but an interesting story? Even characters that aren't the strongest can still add interesting elements to a story. Look at One Piece, for instance.

[Double]

Being engineered from dust touched by Beerus =//= Clone of Beerus.

@Hillan

It kind of does. For the millionth time, cloning isn't always what Hollywood portrays it as. Just because Voide isn't an exact duplicate of Beerus doesn't make her any less of a clone. She created with the sole purpose of emulating his appearance and powers, using Beerus himself as the template. That, right there, is the textbook definition cloning. She. Is. A. Clone. Period.

As far as average schmucks go, Yamcha, Tien and Krillin all started out with powelevels at around 50. (1)By the end of Z, they are top 15 strongest beings in universe 7, for sure. And none of them even tried all that hard, or got any reasonable powerups, either. If Tien had gotten the mystic power up by the Elder Kai, or if Yamcha had learnt the Kaioken, or a million other things, the series would be completely different.

The whole point of Dragon Ball is that what you're at birth does not define you. "With hard enough training, even a low-class can overcome an elite" is what the show's always about. ((2)A bit distracted by the fact that the show's always focused on Goku and Vegeta, and them constantly getting powerups based on their genetics as Saiyans, but Toriyama was never the best at storyboarding.)

Due to the constraints of the RP, we'll probably never see any real rifts in power. Perhaps arcwise one character will get a powerup, and in the next one, someone else will.

Besides, (3)didn't you just preach how you didn't want this to be a game about power levels, but an interesting story? Even characters that aren't the strongest can still add interesting elements to a story. Look at One Piece, for instance.

@Hillan

1. Hahahahahaha... No. They aren't. At all. Or does all the dead villains and other divine characters in Otherworld that still far outclass them not count?
2. This, I will agree with.
3. Yes, I did. Hence why I opened that statement by clarifying that it was a hypothetical scenario.

These people with their genetics are basically Superman. Kind of. The point is, if they're going to be that strong due to their genetics and stuff, why then should I bother getting invested or give a damn about them? That's why I mentioned Superman, since in the hands of an average writer he's a disgustingly OP character who never has to struggle and, ergo, is not interesting to read about.

[Double]

Blarg, I've said far more than I ever needed to or should have on this matter and - frankly - this is just going in circles now. So if it's all the same to everyone else, I'm just going to stop this cycle before it can get any worse.