[OOC] The Faraway Land

[Darkwatck01]

Oh if Vert tries Edward will have some words to say to dear old Vert. But thats something else, just take a look into his cold dead eyes love.

[Thinslayer]

I also have to wonder whether anyone will stand up for Eru. They all seemed pretty apathetic when Vert accused her of foul play. It would be pretty sad if Edward were the only one who gave two cents about her welfare.

Speaking of standing up for people, Kaite had better get to Tiberius soon...

[Thinslayer]

@Lord Zee
@Hawlin
@Darkmoon Angel
@rush99999
@Cuccoruler
@Rekaigan
@ineffable
@Darkwatck01
@ManoftheNorth

It's been 3 days, and I'm getting real tired of nagging you guys. So I'll up the ante again. If nobody posts after 2 days, I'm starting a new round without you, and anybody who didn't post forfeits the prior turn.

State your objections now, or forever hold your peace.

[ManoftheNorth]

@Thinslayer People. Have. Lives.

Quite frankly, the Rp is of my lesser level of concerns. Over the past three days, this timeline of which you make out to be a tragedy, I have been taking care of my dog who had a seizure and has been keeping me on edge for the past couple of days. Then on top of that I was made single, so yeah, posting wasn't a priority for me.

Get over the posting deal, Thin. I noticed you had an issue with before I joined. People have lives, and we can't make you feel special and post, we have more important things for now.

[rush99999]

@Thinslayer

I agree with the bear. Have a little patience, we'll post soon enough.

[Thinslayer]

Oh, so it's my problem? Never mind that people lose interest if they wait more than 3-4 days. Never mind that it's my job as GM to hold this RP together. Never mind that I know for a fact you could post every day if you wanted to. It's all my fault for being impatient. Because you have lives, you see, and asking you to put a few words in every two weeks (because I only ask that someone post every other day) is so unfair!

No. I'm not buying that.

[Thinslayer]

And you know that "I have a life" excuse everyone loves? I know the dirty secret behind that - it's actually a load of crap. Unless you work 16 hours a day, you have enough time to write. I have a life too; I work 8 hours a day at my call center job, 40 hours a week, 54 hours during mandatory overtime periods. My breaks are 10 minutes long and lunch is 30 minutes. Since I have to be there at 8:30 and it takes half an hour to get there, and it takes me an hour to get ready for work, I wake up at 7. Shift ends at 5 and getting back takes half an hour, so when I get home, I have 5.5 hours to myself (assuming 8 hours sleep).

I can whip up a solid post in 10 minutes if I know what I'm doing, half an hour if it's really difficult.

I'm not some fat slob waiting in his parent's basement for you people to entertain me. Outside of work, I'm an avid gamer, who enjoys The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild, StarCraft II: Legacy of the Void, and World of Tanks. I have a few close friends who I regularly communicate with via Skype. Sometimes, I even find the motivation to write my novelization of The Faraway Land.

I have a life too, and I can post 3-4 times a day (or more) with the right motivation. So this "I have a life" excuse is really just a load of crap. You can post if you really want to.

You just don't want to.

[Thinslayer]

Don't you see, rush? The RP is dead. It's been dead for months now. There's no fire, no drive to write. Nobody's interested enough to write more than a half-baked paragraph. The "I have a life" excuse is becoming more and more common. Even I have started daydreaming in other worlds. Me! The GM! Losing interest in his own RP! And nobody gives a dam! Do you realize that the above post was almost my last? I thought better of it and decided to fight it instead. Nobody really cares about the RP anymore, and I'm not just gonna sit around for a week and wait for a post that'll never come.

[Darkwatck01]

Well then... the puts things into prospective done it. Here I am just waiting on other people and anew round to post. Also Starcraft 2 en?

[Darkmoon Angel]

@Thinslayer
Some of us have school and medical problems to deal with, chill out

[Darkmoon Angel]

@Thinslayer
Personally, I don't want this to die. But if you keep up with this negativity, it will die.

[Rekaigan]

@Thinslayer

I'm sorry to hear that you dislike how everyone on earth lives with a mindset different from yours. But you're right. There's no fire, no drive to write. For me anyway. I don't have a life. I never had one, but I also suffer from a complete lack of motivation which is, unfortunately, not easy to explain without blaming my overall mental state. There are many factors that contributed to this lack of fire. Don't get me wrong, I had fire at the start. Over time, things become clear to me, and that fire goes out. The reason the "I have a life" reason is quite common is because.. believe it or not, being human and having a life is pretty common. Welcome to the internet, the information super highway that connects billions of people together, most of which probably do have lives. Sorry.

As much as you don't want to hear it; this is actually your fault. Not all of it, but most of it. In my opinion.

The roleplay began as a mess. Some order was implemented.. But it remained a mess. I'm not sure about the others, but I can't write properly for a world that is void of any structure, let alone a RP with no post structure. There is no map, magic system, or pacing. Although saying that we can't post our CS's in the OOC/CS tabs was a somewhat interesting decision, it didn't help anyone at all. You must trust that the players will not Meta-game with personalities.

I was cautious about joining a RP that had such little information in it, but I understand what you wanted to do with it. However it doesn't seem to have worked in your favour. You wanted people to world build with you (However it looked more like you wanted them to world build for you). 353 posts in, and I still know nothing about this world, because there isn't really one. Other than some pseudo-SciFi fairy dust. What are the attitudes that the races bear toward each other? Hostile? Neutral? These things help dictate the general banter that would happen between characters and their general outlook.

Magic systems are the bread and butter (For lack of a better spread), of any fantasy RP. Now I don't want to have to lecture you about this, but I'm going to anyway. Even in the most generic of generic Fantasy realms, there are rules. Magic has rules. At the very least, the origin of the magical power is written out. Does it come from the soul? Does magic just float around the air until someone wants to use it? The manifestation isn't important, where it comes from is.

Personally, I feel like these random NPC encounters are extremely unnecessary. I recall you telling us to get our characters to interact and learn about each other, but because you keep bringing in NPCs, everyone is getting distracted. Gorman wants to get into Laina's pants, Lieutenant Demon man is just randomly there for no other reason than to say "I'm here for food and that girl", and suddenly Erudessa is in the camp. Erudessa, the lady that's meant to be dead has appeared within a day of the quest starting. I remember talking about pacing to you and how it's been screwed up from the moment we left the town.

Let's have a fun recap, just like old times!

• Party got their orders
• Have a scuffle with Vert and decide not to kill her
• Leave town
• Get attacked by Wargs
• Get attacked by the Warlock
• Set up camp

This is one day. 353 posts for one day. And you have the gall to get upset about lack of motivation? In 4 months, we have achieved almost nothing. We've spent 20+ posts waiting for dinner. "Which is deer, apparently."

To conclude, I really don't think you have the right to be upset about any of this. 3 days isn't a long time. To many, 1 month is indicative of a dead RP. Maybe you could've spent all that pent up motivational energy to build the world of this roleplay? Nobody has done much of it for 4 months, that's a good indicator.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Thinslayer Jackass outsider opinion time.

I know I'm not a part of this RP so feel free to flail at me with the whole "you aren't a part of this, you wouldn't understand, go fuck off" shitck if you feel so inclined but I feel like given my time on RPGuild, I can speak with some experience and conviction.

First off, I highly suggest that you organize your mind and your priorities as well as the priorities of other people. Go do some yoga or taichi or something, collect your chi or something. As a GM of many RPs, some of which have lasted 5 days, some which have lasted 5 months, you are treating your players as objects whose sole purpose in life is to write posts for your RP. That's not called being a GM, that's called being a tyrant. If your best friend or closet family suddenly died and while you are grieving, the GM of an RP you are a part of keeps saying how "irl comes first" is complete bullshit and you should get back to posting. I highly doubt you would have a positive view of said GM.

You demand loyalty and respect from your players, but you give none back. You based what you believe everyone should be able to accomplish based on what you can do. Just because you can write a post in 10 minutes doesn't mean everyone can do that wether that be due to the fact they don't have the time to focus, lack the inspiration to make something or just are slower writers. What you're saying is basically like a lottery winner saying "Oh, I won the lottery on my 3rd ticket, everyone should be able to win!" or a pop star/actor saying "everyone can make it big in hollywood and become world famous because I can!". People are different, we aren't clones, if you fail to recognize that then there are larger and more pressing issues than your inability to be a good GM.

People loose interest and gain interest on a whim, its a good thing? No, but it happens. I know I have gotten bored of my previous ideas before in the past while they were still going, it happens to everyone. Its a part of life and its best you learn to take it in stride, death is inevitable in everything, nothing lasts forever so just enjoy the moment. Its what I do and what a good number of other do. Coming to terms on the fate of everything is a part of the path of being human and while I can't say how you should walk said path, I can safely say that your reaction of ranting and raving for three posts isn't the best way to deal with it.

The toxic way in which you are acting is only solidifying the fate of the RP which you apparently cared for so much that the concept of you daydreaming about other thoughts is pure heresy. RPs can be rebooted if players have enough of a positive memory of it and the way you are acting is not leaving anything remotely like that. In addition, you are acting completely self centered, narcissistic and prideful saying how you have a job, play games, try to write professionally, and have a life some how justifies everyone being able to copy what you do. You are Mozart saying that everyone should be a musical prodigy and genius. your bitter words are full of "I am" and "my own" and "I have", do you not think on the fact people have responsibilities more important than producing pixels on a screen that they will very likely forget in a decade?

All GMs wish for more activity in their RPs but dealing with said inactivity is part of what separates good GMs from bad ones. I admit to wishing that the RP I have run were more active and the OOC was full of jokes and memes and plans while the IC is host to epic battles, grand adventures, and legendary stories of friends and heroes and philosophical undertones but I accept that it won't always happen. You created this bare bone RP expecting the players to fill it in for you while you write 3-4 posts everyday between you unimaginably busy day which you have planned down to the minute and boast of to people online. If the lack of this bugs you so much, then go and write the novelization of this and just forget this since right now you're as salty as the dead sea.

Sure, I'm just some moron who just suddenly jumped in on this and writing this but I've been on this site a hell of a lot longer than you. I've seen good RPs with good GMs, I've seen bad RPs with bad GMs. Something you seem to fail to grasp is the concept that people RP for FUN or as a HOBBY and those things are not and should not be the driving factor and most important thing in someone's life. Your players are not bound to your will because they declared interest and made a character anymore than you are bound to them because you are the leader and made the RP. The moment someone thinks something is no longer fun, they don't do it. And once you try to force them back into, they won't find it fun or satisfying so of course they're going to loose their passion/fire/drive! Your mildly delusional "I thought better of it and decided to fight it instead" is only driving people away from you and your creation; you are fighting against what you see as a heinous demon but is really your own players, you are the beast you proclaim to hunt and you have failed to see that. No sane man would follow someone who screams their head off with gibberish and ranting and the same is with GMs. If you want people to like you then you need to learn things like temperance, humbleness and empathy, otherwise your shadow will walk before you and will represent you in your entirety.

tl;dr - Get off your high horse, balance your chakra, learn to be a better, more empathic and kind person, and respect others before demanding respect back before you try to GM.

[rush99999]

There are a lot of rants going on right now.

[Lord Zee]

It was bound to happen eventually. Sad to see it all the same.

[Darkwatck01]

When it rains it pours, at least that's the old saying anyway.

[Thinslayer]

Well, at least it's feedback, harsh as it is. Thank you guys for that.

So let me summarize the feedback thus far:
* The RP is a loreless mess and the story sucks.
* I never accomodate anyone who needs time.
* Asking for a posting rate of once per 2 weeks is tyrannical.

Accurate?

[Thinslayer]

@Thinslayer Jackass outsider opinion time.

I know I'm not a part of this RP so feel free to flail at me with the whole "you aren't a part of this, you wouldn't understand, go fuck off" shitck if you feel so inclined but I feel like given my time on RPGuild, I can speak with some experience and conviction.

First off, I highly suggest that you organize your mind and your priorities as well as the priorities of other people. Go do some yoga or taichi or something, collect your chi or something. As a GM of many RPs, some of which have lasted 5 days, some which have lasted 5 months, you are treating your players as objects whose sole purpose in life is to write posts for your RP. That's not called being a GM, that's called being a tyrant. If your best friend or closet family suddenly died and while you are grieving, the GM of an RP you are a part of keeps saying how "irl comes first" is complete bullshit and you should get back to posting. I highly doubt you would have a positive view of said GM.

You demand loyalty and respect from your players, but you give none back. You based what you believe everyone should be able to accomplish based on what you can do. Just because you can write a post in 10 minutes doesn't mean everyone can do that wether that be due to the fact they don't have the time to focus, lack the inspiration to make something or just are slower writers. What you're saying is basically like a lottery winner saying "Oh, I won the lottery on my 3rd ticket, everyone should be able to win!" or a pop star/actor saying "everyone can make it big in hollywood and become world famous because I can!". People are different, we aren't clones, if you fail to recognize that then there are larger and more pressing issues than your inability to be a good GM.

People loose interest and gain interest on a whim, its a good thing? No, but it happens. I know I have gotten bored of my previous ideas before in the past while they were still going, it happens to everyone. Its a part of life and its best you learn to take it in stride, death is inevitable in everything, nothing lasts forever so just enjoy the moment. Its what I do and what a good number of other do. Coming to terms on the fate of everything is a part of the path of being human and while I can't say how you should walk said path, I can safely say that your reaction of ranting and raving for three posts isn't the best way to deal with it.

The toxic way in which you are acting is only solidifying the fate of the RP which you apparently cared for so much that the concept of you daydreaming about other thoughts is pure heresy. RPs can be rebooted if players have enough of a positive memory of it and the way you are acting is not leaving anything remotely like that. In addition, you are acting completely self centered, narcissistic and prideful saying how you have a job, play games, try to write professionally, and have a life some how justifies everyone being able to copy what you do. You are Mozart saying that everyone should be a musical prodigy and genius. your bitter words are full of "I am" and "my own" and "I have", do you not think on the fact people have responsibilities more important than producing pixels on a screen that they will very likely forget in a decade?

All GMs wish for more activity in their RPs but dealing with said inactivity is part of what separates good GMs from bad ones. I admit to wishing that the RP I have run were more active and the OOC was full of jokes and memes and plans while the IC is host to epic battles, grand adventures, and legendary stories of friends and heroes and philosophical undertones but I accept that it won't always happen. You created this bare bone RP expecting the players to fill it in for you while you write 3-4 posts everyday between you unimaginably busy day which you have planned down to the minute and boast of to people online. If the lack of this bugs you so much, then go and write the novelization of this and just forget this since right now you're as salty as the dead sea.

Sure, I'm just some moron who just suddenly jumped in on this and writing this but I've been on this site a hell of a lot longer than you. I've seen good RPs with good GMs, I've seen bad RPs with bad GMs. Something you seem to fail to grasp is the concept that people RP for FUN or as a HOBBY and those things are not and should not be the driving factor and most important thing in someone's life. Your players are not bound to your will because they declared interest and made a character anymore than you are bound to them because you are the leader and made the RP. The moment someone thinks something is no longer fun, they don't do it. And once you try to force them back into, they won't find it fun or satisfying so of course they're going to loose their passion/fire/drive! Your mildly delusional "I thought better of it and decided to fight it instead" is only driving people away from you and your creation; you are fighting against what you see as a heinous demon but is really your own players, you are the beast you proclaim to hunt and you have failed to see that. No sane man would follow someone who screams their head off with gibberish and ranting and the same is with GMs. If you want people to like you then you need to learn things like temperance, humbleness and empathy, otherwise your shadow will walk before you and will represent you in your entirety.

tl;dr - Get off your high horse, balance your chakra, learn to be a better, more empathic and kind person, and respect others before demanding respect back before you try to GM.

@ClocktowerEchos

Yeah, the opening of your post was more correct than you realize. You weren't around every time someone told me they needed more time and I gladly gave it to them. Yoi weren't around when people said they were exhausted from work and school and had no time or energy to write; I gave them all the time and encouragement they needed. I empathized. You weren't there. I respected everyone's time until it killed me. I set up a posting order just like they wanted; I gave them lenient response time requirements; what more could I have done? Bent over backwards?

Does anybody respect MY time? What, do you think I'm sort of altruistic masochist who always RPs for others but never myself? Yeah, I'm in it for me. I want to tell a story. I want to tell it with others. I want to have fun. Am I somehow excluded from having any fun because others are here? Why can't I ask for SOMEONE to post something once every day just because I enjoy reading them? Is that some cardinal sin or something?

They all had time in their day to post and blow me off. The problem isn't time. It's motivation. They were highly motivated to post how much they hate me, but had none for the story. The problem is THEY have no empathy for ME. I have to sit here and give, give, give, and get only criticism in return. I gave them the posting order they demanded. I started giving them more lore that they demanded. I gave them time like they demanded. But when I ask for a little more of their o-so-precious time, I'm suddenly a tyrant who sees them only as posting machines.

Tell me I'm wrong.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Thinslayer I can understand you intentions and your goals but you are achieving them with less than admirable ways. Going on a rant isn't going to do anything, its only going to drive people away. People have written thier discontent because there is that much steam built up behind that one topic and its something they are passionate about. You failed at one of Machiavelli's most important rules as a leader of any sort: be love, be feared, be both, but never be hated. And that's why this has occured, because you made people hate you and hate can be an extreme emotion which gives people passion and energy to do things to otherwise wouldn't, like write angry posts.

Yeah, the opening of your post was more correct than you realize. You weren't around every time someone told me they needed more time and I gladly gave it to them. Yoi weren't around when people said they were exhausted from work and school and had no time or energy to write; I gave them all the time and encouragement they needed. I empathized. You weren't there. I respected everyone's time until it killed me. I set up a posting order just like they wanted; I gave them lenient response time requirements; what more could I have done? Bent over backwards?

I applaud your efforts but I must ask, what is lenient to you? Since from what I've seen you've had some pretty good activity with a decent number of posts everyday. Or is it that you are upset that you "only" get like 6-10 posts OOC a day and you've gotten an IC post every few. That honestly isn't bad, hell its pretty solid by some accounts. Are you sure it isn't because that people don't write as fast as you'd like them to so you can read their posts? I love reading other people's posts but I don't hound them if they don't post every two days or something.

Does anybody respect MY time? What, do you think I'm sort of altruistic masochist who always RPs for others but never myself? Yeah, I'm in it for me. I want to tell a story. I want to tell it with others. I want to have fun. Am I somehow excluded from having any fun because others are here? Why can't I ask for SOMEONE to post something once every day just because I enjoy reading them? Is that some cardinal sin or something?

You remind me of my father in some ways in his more negative aspects but lets not get into that. I never said that you were not allowed to have fun GMing but you must realize that there are different responsibilities and priorities between a good GM and a good player. You are more than welcomed to find the line where I explicitly say "GMs are not allowed to have fun" and show me. Go on, find it. As for your cardinal sin, its the fact that you say you are in it for the story and within that same paragraph you ask why can't people just give you amusing posts to read for your enjoyment and lament how much of a poor soul you are. Asking people to post daily is generally a tall order outside of Free and it wears people out. The more you poke and remind people, the more you are likely to have them just drop because they find it annoying. The desire to see other people post is why poeple do more than one RP at a time generally instead of obsessively focusing on one; even GMs will be players in other RPs.

They all had time in their day to post and blow me off. The problem isn't time. It's motivation. They were highly motivated to post how much they hate me, but had none for the story. The problem is THEY have no empathy for ME. I have to sit here and give, give, give, and get only criticism in return. I gave them the posting order they demanded. I started giving them more lore that they demanded. I gave them time like they demanded. But when I ask for a little more of their o-so-precious time, I'm suddenly a tyrant who sees them only as posting machines.

You do realize that with this you are sealing the fate to the player count of the RP but also your own reputation? Again, you demand things from atop your lofty throne and when people don't work the way you want, you are suddenly the martyr and the unsung hero. I can safely say that the perception of some people here and your perception of yourself is radically different but humans are naturally biased towards themselves. I've covered all the points I want to say above with time and making people write posts to read for your own amusement and ranting when they burn out so I won't go over here, I believe I've hammered those in well enough to anyone with a normal skull.

Tell me I'm wrong.

@Thinslayer

You are very much wrong.

[Thinslayer]

I don't want to drive anyone away. I'm sorry, guys. I've been an asshole. What do I have to do to make things right?