[OOC] Naruto: Years of Winter - an Alternate Universe

[Asura]

Even then, genin have no business making more than a single clone.

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Two clones is pushing it, more than two is a definitive no no from me. Besides the implication that you're basically committing suicide, it also is incredibly unlikely that you have both the skill and the chakra pool to maintain the clones.

@Buddha

Considering, as far as we know, clones require no 'upkeep' and you gain back all your chakra when it is destroyed, I'd say only chakra pool holds you back. Naruto had retard chakra, so he could spare making 50 clones. Probably not so much for an average joe.

[BladeSS4]

Well Uchiha are suppose to have higher chakra reserves due to their bloodline trait. They have the stamina/chakra to cope with the sharingan. Also 4 clones isn't really that many, also I should point out when one of the clones is destroyed the chakra used on that clone goes back to the original. Relaying information and experience back to the original as well. Also Tenshi's jutsus he has only 4 of them. Only 2 are chakra based, the others are dirty tricks that utilized Taijutsu.

I didn't think 4 was that big of a deal it would be splitting his chakra into 1/5th of its original until one is destroyed or under the jutsu is undone. I could lower the number if it really matters though, I didn't see 4 as a big number. Considering running right at a jounin. The four will be turned into a very low number really quickly I would think.

[Dion]

@Asura ... again, 1/2 of your chakra doesn't sound like a lot, but even something as dumb as stepping on water technically costs chakra. Whenever a shinobi is doing things, he burns up chakra. And you only gain back as much as you have left when it dies. So, actually, having two clones shooting fireballs quickly depletes them and might even make them die purely because they're using up their own chakra.

Also, pushing your limits in regards to chakra (i.e. using more than you should) has physical effects as well - you get sick, fatigued, etcetera. Also, you apparently pass out when you use too much chakra. If you use up 100% of your chakra, you die.

I also wasn't saying it was impossible to make 4 clones. I'm just warning him that it's really stupid and nobody in their right mind would do that purely because it makes every battle where you do that a potential death situation.

[Dion]

@BladeSS4 'more chakra' is not a trait of the Uchiha clan. I'm not sure where you heard that but it's not true. And if the original Tenshi uses even one jutsu/uses a bit of chakra while none of the clones has died, he'd pass out. Although we don't really see it except at the start of Naruto, using up a lot of chakra can take you down.

When Sasuke trains with Kakashi to learn chidori, he can perform two. He asks Kakashi what happens if he makes a third, and Kakashi says he'll die. That's how serious it is. Know your boundaries.

[BladeSS4]

@BladeSS4 'more chakra' is not a trait of the Uchiha clan. I'm not sure where you heard that but it's not true. And if the original Tenshi uses even one jutsu/uses a bit of chakra while none of the clones has died, he'd pass out. Although we don't really see it except at the start of Naruto, using up a lot of chakra can take you down.

When Sasuke trains with Kakashi to learn chidori, he can perform two. He asks Kakashi what happens if he makes a third, and Kakashi says he'll die. That's how serious it is. Know your boundaries.

@Buddha

This is where I got it from.

They have a higher potient chakra

'The Uchiha were known for having an innate aptitude for all combat-oriented skills and an advanced growth rate. They also have an especially potent chakra quality as well as a natural affinity for the fire nature transformation; Uchiha are not truly considered adults until they can successfully perform the Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique. Uchiha also frequently use ninja tools in combat, being best known for their use of shuriken.'
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I wouldn't have said something if I didn't have a base around it. As for 'know your boundaries' I thought I did I used four clones. Tenshi cannot even use a any other jutsu. He cannot use a fireball without having to fake it. If Tenshi uses any other jutsu, which he doesn't possess any other jutsu, apart from the shuriken one.

Yes I know he would pass out if he uses anymore but he hasn't. I can lower the number of the shadow clones I have no problem with that. So should I lower the number down to maybe 2 clones and the original will that be acceptable?

[Dion]

@BladeSS4 I'm okay with the discussion, lol, so don't feel discouraged. But in my opinion, a more potent chakra doesn't mean more chakra. It means your chakra is stronger (whatever the fuck Kishimoto meant with that when he wrote it.. this is all based on part 1 of Naruto, and everything was inconsistent.) but not that you have more.

I mean, shadow clones is something similar to that, but to be frank, I think four is a bit too much, and as I've discussed it with Ryo briefly, he also thinks it's a bit too much - not from a PVP perspective, but from the perspective of wanting to keep things consistent within the roleplay. It doesn't make sense if a genin can create 4 shadow clones but a jonin could not.

I think you shoulder lower it to two, yes. Purely because he's a genin. I mean, let's be fair - you're also the only one that has shadow clone and it's one of the most powerful (legit) techniques in PVP. You can turn any 1v1 into a teamfight if you want. I think that's a huge advantage even if you can only make one. Four is a bit over the top.

[BladeSS4]

All changed up. Although it is how I originally was going to write it, but idk why I didn't at first.

[Masaki Haruna]

Posted. Just getting in character, it's in her nature to want to end a fight quick with her motto.

Speaking of Chidori...

Also. Chuunin Ria... Chidori. How many can she do? We're talking about the Chidori. I know it's dumb to make a comparison with canon characters. Can we even compare Chuunin Ria against Genin Sasuke who can do two? If so, how many times can I even do a Chidori at this stage? Just asking before I get called on.

[LokiLeo789]

Posted. Just getting in character, it's in her nature to want to end a fight quick with her motto.

Speaking of Chidori...

Also. Chuunin Ria... Chidori. How many can she do? We're talking about the Chidori. I know it's dumb to make a comparison with canon characters. Can we even compare Chuunin Ria against Genin Sasuke who can do two? If so, how many times can I even do a Chidori at this stage? Just asking before I get called on.

@Masaki Haruna

Sasuke was 13, a prodigy, and could only preform it twice. Ria is 15, and only just passed the Chunin exam.

I don't know 😊

[Gowi]

Maybe Ria should be more concerned on figuring out when to use Chidori rather than how many times she can spam it, lol.

[Masaki Haruna]

I know. But the how many times, is the more important factor. It's not like she can spam it. @Buddha

@Hillan I think you can help!

[Mira Yasaka]

-IGNORE.

[Raijinslayer]

-IGNORE.

@Mira Yasaka

Well now I'm curious.

[pkken]

Expect a post before end of night

[Masaki Haruna]

@BladeSS4 We had PM discussion, you said 3. Whatcha guys think?

[Asura]

@BladeSS4 We had PM discussion, you said 3. Whatcha guys think?

@Masaki Haruna

Depends upon how many other jutsu you use. If you spam C-ranks all day and try pulling 3 A-ranks in a row, you'll have a bad time.

Putting arbitrary limits on jutsu for such a reason is silly. Circumstances always change. I'd much prefer a system of common sense. :v

[Masaki Haruna]

@AsuraI just don't wanna get called hax lol

Then again in the long run, there's no denying that our characters will eventually surpass the canon ones in certain areas. Like I can see majority of the cast given feats here is 1000000000x better than Sakura.

[Gowi]

Except Sakura has a great powerset canonically.

[Masaki Haruna]

@Gowi Yeah.. I'm being paranoid here

VOTE! Help me out guys!

2 Chidoris.

3 Chidoris

More than 3? If so state it.

Damn my fear is strong here....

[Gowi]

-2.