[OOC] DBZ: The Sagas of The Z Warrior

[mattmanganon]

@Double But he was so cool... But he was SOOOO dumb... BUT HE WAS SOOOOOO COOL!!! BUT HE WAS SOOOOOOOO DUMB!!!!!

[Double]

@mattmanganon I know that's a joke, but... I mean, that's pretty much what my feelings boil down to. He looks intimidating, his attacks look awesome and have kickass-sounding names... but that's about all it is for me. Just pure flash, no substance or anything.

I've always been a sucker for Turles myself. The idea of a low-class Saiyan that became disgruntled with his own culture's bullcrap and said screw them and went rogue? Hell yeah, that sounds badass! He starts his own little army called the Crusher Corps and has basically killed entire planets just to grow fruit from the Tree of Might to power himself up? Also pretty awesome. Hell when you think about it, Turles was basically Goku Black before Goku Black was even a thing.

I'd love for Yang to fight Turles. The idea of someone who would just kill entire planets to eat fruit that makes them stronger would absolutely disgust a disciplined pacifist like Yang, seeing that as something flies in the face of everything he stands for. (Spoilers: He'll probably feel similarly about the Super Saiyan form later on as well and likely have no desire to use it himself.)

[mattmanganon]

@Double

My serious rebuttal

I do see what you mean, but he most certainly isn't a Villain Sue, being that he fulfills almost none of the qualities for being one. Broly is quite liked by the community, despite everyone agreeing that his backstory is monumentally stupid. There are many reasons to like a villain like Broly. I mean, he is unique in Dragonball, being that he is pretty much the only pure evil Super Saiyan. He also serves as sort of a dark reflection of Goku, in that he is a Saiyan who's only goal is to grow stronger, but whereas Goku grows stronger to help his friends and family, Broly grows stronger to seek and destroy everything. He is also an aesthetically appealing character, being that his "SWOLE" thing is, again, not something we see in Dragonball Villains. Most villains in Dragonball are of a much sleeker design to emphasise that they are not only immensely strong, but also immensely fast, whereas Broly's design only shows off his immense power. You don't fight him, you throw everything you have at him and he just takes it in his stride, "The Unstoppable Force" if you would. Broly brought something unique to the franchise and that garnered him some love.

The other main thing about Broly is that the first movie he was in was actually immensely well done in as far as the buildup to his reveal. I mean, all we see is a galaxy being destroyed, and all we know is that a mysterious force did it. They spend the entire movie bigging him up, then, when he's revealled, the audiences response is "Yup, i believe that's the motherfucker who killed an entire galaxy!" as we see him effortlessly take apart the main roster. Other villains like to toy with the team, but Broly is 100% focussed on the kill. It is kinda a breath of fresh air in the franchise for them to take on a villain that doesn't even try to outsmart or toy with the heroes, he just destroys them.

The second movie also brought something new to the table with it being, essentially, a slasher flick in the Dragonball universe, with Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Videl having to give Broly the runaround. It is one of the bleakest of Dragonball movies. Every other villain in the franchise is portrayed with a sense of "Yeah, he's strong, but Goku'll have 'im." There is no Goku, there is no Vegeta, there is just Gohan, his GF and 2 children to fight this otherworldly monstrosity. Not even everyone combined is even slightly a match for Broly, and that's before he ascends to his LSS form. When he finally transforms, they actually need to use a Dragonball wish to defeat him. Again, i know his backstory is stupid, but at the same time, you can't deny that he is unique as a Dragonball villain.

[Double]

@mattmanganon

My response

That's all well and good, but that backstory just kills it for me. Like I said, he looks intimidating, his attacks are brutal and badass. You are right that he was given a lot of build up. But that backstory just... ugh... all that interest I had in him just instantly deflated. His only saving grace is that he is the one sole villain in Dragon Ball history that actually requires the "everyone dogpile him" strategy for him to be defeated, since that's pretty much how he was defeated in all of his appearances. I'm noticing a distinct lack of mentions of the third Broly movie, however. Not that I blame you, that movie was just... ugh.

But are you sure Goku actually wants to get stronger to protect people? Because starting with the Android Arc he starts making monumentally stupid decisions and from what I remember about the Buu Arc and what I've heard about Super... he never stops making stupid choices. I mean really, Goku, you're just going to risk letting humanity be wiped out by Androids because you want to train and fight them fair and square? You want to give CELL a sensu bean before forcing your pacifist son into a battle he has no actual interest in? You don't just use your Super Saiyan 3 form to instantly fuck Buu up because you're afraid of hurting Vegeta's feelings? Oh sure, you could just kill Frieza before he turns Golden and not even have to worry about him blowing the planet up, but no, let's let Frieza get away with this crap because as long as YOU get a good fight out of it, then nothing else matters, right? ...Oh dear, I'm ranting, aren't I? Sorry about that, Goku's personality and decisions tend to piss me off more often than not in the later series.

[mattmanganon]

@Double Yeah, I left out the dumpster fire, also because that's not really Broly, the character, it's a bunch of clones of him.

Also, yeah, i do like how Vegeta grew as a character, whilst Goku regressed. To the point where "And then he got cocky and fucked it all up" which is half of Vegeta's contribution to Z, Now applies more to Goku than Vegeta.

But, you wanted to know why people like Broly, that's my 2 cents on the matter.

[Weird Tales]

Fine I'll change the power increase rules. Training and fighting will increase your character power levels

[Double]

@Weird Tales I just wanted to thank you for changing your mind, and apologize for being so stubborn and abrasive when making my arguments. I must have sounded like a right ass from your perspective, and I'm sorry for that.

[Weird Tales]

@Weird Tales I just wanted to thank you for changing your mind, and apologize for being so stubborn and abrasive when making my arguments. I must have sounded like a right ass from your perspective, and I'm sorry for that.

@Double

It's okay.

[Weird Tales]

Broly looks to be coming back stronger and more awesome than ever. Also we finally get to see Goku's mother

[CaptainSully]

Right then lads and any potential lasses, after this round of posting I’m going to try implementing Sam’s plan again. I’m going to assume Raditz’s scouter has been destroyed and Sam’s going to jump in and use his Mist Form technique to try and distract him long enough for everyone to power up a joint attack.

I would appreciate people buying into it. Ultimately I want Sam to die and even if his death is futile, at least I can get out of everyone’s way and just get on to Snake Way.

@Weird Tales any idea when you’re going to get your next Raditz post up?

[AtomicNut]

Right then lads and any potential lasses, after this round of posting I’m going to try implementing Sam’s plan again. I’m going to assume Raditz’s scouter has been destroyed and Sam’s going to jump in and use his Mist Form technique to try and distract him long enough for everyone to power up a joint attack.

I would appreciate people buying into it. Ultimately I want Sam to die and even if his death is futile, at least I can get out of everyone’s way and just get on to Snake Way.

@Weird Tales any idea when you’re going to get your next Raditz post up?

@CaptainSully

Mugen is already dead so... company might be good.She also addressed the old man too.

Edit: She was the one with the healing too. Whoops.

[CaptainSully]

@AtomicNut I did notice so expect a nod from Kojiro

When Sam’s dead we can set off down Snake Way if you want?

[AtomicNut]

@AtomicNut I did notice so expect a nod from Kojiro

When Sam’s dead we can set off down Snake Way if you want?

@CaptainSully

It will be like a date except everyone is dead.

[King Cosmos]

Pretty sure I already used Alex's biggest attack in my last post. It's looking unlikely that he'll die in this fight like I wanted, unless I pull a Piccolo and hold Raditz in place for everyone else.

[CaptainSully]

@King Cosmos yeah I did see. The idea was Sam just keeps him distracted so everyone can charge up some super giant mega ultra wave attacks and hit him all at once. Even if it didn’t kill Raditz, it’d have killed Sam which is what I still intend on happening.

However if too many people want to die then it won’t be a viable plan.

[AtomicNut]

@King Cosmos yeah I did see. The idea was Sam just keeps him distracted so everyone can charge up some super giant mega ultra wave attacks and hit him all at once. Even if it didn’t kill Raditz, it’d have killed Sam which is what I still intend on happening.

However if too many people want to die then it won’t be a viable plan.

@CaptainSully

Well that plan didnt account for raditz charging a huge area attack.

Wish i could have played a saiyan but everyone picks those.

[CaptainSully]

@AtomicNut I went human purely because I expected everyone to go Saiyan

[AtomicNut]

@AtomicNut I went human purely because I expected everyone to go Saiyan

@CaptainSully

I just wanted a repeat of Satay lol.

[Weird Tales]

@CaptainSully I'll post when I finish writing for this week which should by the end of this week at the latest

[supertinyking]

@CaptainSully

I edited my post to give Sam the chance to be the big hero. Go wild my dude.