[OOC] Climbing the Tower-TOG RP

[DELETED08737]

@SilverPaw alrighty you are accepted

@Jasper19

Hey since your here think you can make rules for Hendo Lok adoption?

[SilverPaw]

Yeah, that'd be cool to have something concrete. Right now, it seems it would make the most sense if my character: 1. Has a Hendo Lok half-sibling, 2. Is related to a Hendo Lok Ranker, 3. Managed to catch the Hendo Lok family's eye due to the nature of however they pick candidates for their future Rankers.

(Edit: though one of my considerations is also that my guy's mother became the wife/concubine of a Hendo Lok male some years after giving birth to him; actually this goes under 1 in any case.)

[Jasper19]

@SilverPaw well they're are different branches of the ten families and then there is the main branch , main branch is the one that has the short life spans , but if your character is not apart of the main branch then that is one way he could be related , and then kids from other branches show their "worthyness" I guess you could say to the family by becoming a ranker which allows them to be brought into the main branch

[King Cosmos]

Branch families still have Bloodmadder's blood however and should still be subject to his curse; the difference between the main and branch families is just whether they are the first son or not. You can probably assume that the curse is diluted the further away from Bloodmadder himself you get, but considering that the government in the Tower apparently had to track down everyone with his blood and isolate them, spreading the blood around is still an issue.

[Jasper19]

Yeah , I was thinking of the diluted thing , if he's from a very far branch family the curse could be so diluted that it basically does not affect him

[SilverPaw]

Branch families still have Bloodmadder's blood however and should still be subject to his curse; the difference between the main and branch families is just whether they are the first son or not. You can probably assume that the curse is diluted the further away from Bloodmadder himself you get, but considering that the government in the Tower apparently had to track down everyone with his blood and isolate them, spreading the blood around is still an issue.

@King Cosmos

This was also my understanding; that everyone with Bloodmadder's blood, no matter how distantly related, has a significantly shorter life span (up to cca. a hundred years old).

[DELETED08737]

Yeah , I was thinking of the diluted thing , if he's from a very far branch family the curse could be so diluted that it basically does not affect him

@Jasper19

We aren't just talking about normal curses here though. It's a contract made with an Administrator who can only be killed by a Thorn. Not great odds for loop holes.

By the way opnion on how Sylvan can deal with outside the tower Shinsoo knowledge?

[Jasper19]

@SilverPaw it never really says whether it gets diluted or not , but if you want your character to be indoctrinated into the family then you could have him go through a gauntlet where he's paired with a lot in of other regulars and they do various tests most of them being fight related and once he's one the gauntlet he must climb the tower to become a ranked and a official part of the family

[King Cosmos]

I'm not really sure about the diluted blood to be honest. If it's a curse applied by the Guardian, which it is, then the purity of blood shouldn't really matter, it should still affect everyone descended from Bloodmadder equally; it's not a topic that has a lot of information around it unfortunately.

The stated figure for a short lifespan is around 100; apparently that is increased for Rankers, but who knows how long they can live. The only thing that's certain is that they cannot gain immortality, since I think part of the curse is that Bloodmadder alone with live forever while his family always dies. There's even a Princess from the Hendo Lok family, but who knows how that works.

[Jasper19]

@ColourlessKing ima tell him that he shouldn't have any outside shinsoo knowledge as irregulars have never been in the tower , like in bams case he didn't even know what shinsoo was

[DELETED08737]

I'm not really sure about the diluted blood to be honest. If it's a curse applied by the Guardian, which it is, then the purity of blood shouldn't really matter, it should still affect everyone descended from Bloodmadder equally; it's not a topic that has a lot of information around it unfortunately.

The stated figure for a short lifespan is around 100; apparently that is increased for Rankers, but who knows how long they can live. The only thing that's certain is that they cannot gain immortality, since I think part of the curse is that Bloodmadder alone with live forever while his family always dies. There's even a Princess from the Hendo Lok family, but who knows how that works.

@King Cosmos

Highly likely just an adopted Regular who wanted more status.

[SilverPaw]

It never really says whether it gets diluted or not , but if you want your character to be indoctrinated into the family then you could have him go through a gauntlet where he's paired with a lot in of other regulars and they do various tests most of them being fight related and once he's one the gauntlet he must climb the tower to become a ranked and a official part of the family

@Jasper19

I'd also agree that there most likely is no dilution. Also, I wouldn't quite go so far as to say 'indoctrinated', but included, sure. I don't mind him having to go through extra tests and/or challenges to obtain the Hendo Lok family name, though whether they should be fights (esp. 1v1 fights) is questionable with him being a scout (since 1v1, a fisherman usually wins).

[Jasper19]

@SilverPawIt would be more of an arena type thing like the second floor everybody is fighting everybody ,and yeah since it is an administrator contract I agree it wouldn't get diluted

[DELETED08737]

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I'd also agree that there most likely is no dilution. Also, I wouldn't quite go so far as to say 'indoctrinated', but included, sure. I don't mind him having to go through extra tests and/or challenges to obtain the Hendo Lok family name, though whether they should be fights (esp. 1v1 fights) is questionable with him being a scout (since 1v1, a fisherman usually wins).

@SilverPaw

Honestly thats a wrong kind of way to think when it comes to 1v1s. Positions dictate where your preferences in figthing in a group are. As long as you have more Shinsoo Resistance, Techniques, and are overall more skilled and powerful position doesn't really matter in 1v1.

Le-Ro Ro is an incredible figther and he once fought young Ha Yuri Zahard. His position is Light Bearer.

[SilverPaw]

Honestly thats a wrong kind of way to think when it comes to 1v1s. Positions dictate where your preferences in figthing in a group are. As long as you have more Shinsoo Resistance, Techniques, and are overall more skilled and powerful position doesn't really matter in 1v1.

@ColourlessKing

I meant that given the same general power-level, a fisherman is more likely to win in a direct (1v1) fight. Not by any means necessary, sure, but they are the ones specialized for that, so they'd have an advantage - supposedly.

[King Cosmos]

The problem with that is "more Shinsoo Resistance, Techniques, and are overall more skilled and powerful" usually means Fisherman; it's the main combatant role so logically they are the strongest members of the team. It's probably more accurate to say that the stronger you become the less things like position matters as you begin to be able to fill any role.

[DELETED08737]

The problem with that is "more Shinsoo Resistance, Techniques, and are overall more skilled and powerful" usually means Fisherman; it's the main combatant role so logically they are the strongest members of the team. It's probably more accurate to say that the stronger you become the less things like position matters as you begin to be able to fill any role.

@King Cosmos

Not necessarily, Shinsoo Resistance varies alot and is really limited to just a 'you' problem if yours is weak. Techniques rely more on teachers, influence, and such things, I mean just because your a Scout doesn't mean you shouldn't learn some other techniques.

I mean Ran exists for one. And that guy fights as the main guy but is actually best as spear bearer.

[Jasper19]

Here's a discord link https://discord.gg/VzxDMu

[King Cosmos]

I mean Ran exists for one. And that guy fights as the main guy.

@ColourlessKing

Ran is both a Fisherman and a Spear Bearer, however. I don't know which was his first position, but he fills both roles as does Novick; usually it's Novick as the Scout and Ran as the Fisherman but if they need to they switch to Novick being the Fisherman and Ran being the Spear Bearer.

Again, positions aren't set roles; they only matter in team fights and only apply to what roles you are currently filling. If someone was capable of filling multiple roles then they would probably fill whatever gap needed to be filled, such as Ran filling in for a Spear Bearer because a team needs one even if it's not his best position. Generally the Fisherman is the strongest position because their role on the team is to be the one that does the fighting, with the other positions supporting that. That doesn't always mean the Fisherman on the team is the strongest member, but it does mean that it's the position with the strongest members on average.

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Ran is both a Fisherman and a Spear Bearer, however. I don't know which was his first position, but he fills both roles as does Novick; usually it's Novick as the Scout and Ran as the Fisherman but if they need to they switch to Novick being the Fisherman and Ran being the Spear Bearer.

Again, positions aren't set roles; they only matter in team fights and only apply to what roles you are currently filling. If someone was capable of filling multiple roles then they would probably fill whatever gap needed to be filled, such as Ran filling in for a Spear Bearer because a team needs one even if it's not his best position. Generally the Fisherman is the strongest position because their role on the team is to be the one that does the fighting, with the other positions supporting that. That doesn't always mean the Fisherman on the team is the strongest member, but it does mean that it's the position with the strongest members on average.

@King Cosmos

I really wish SIU just showed us what is the norm. Because honestly every Fisherman we see is either a member of the Great Families, a Princess of Zahard or both. And the other classes can"t seem to shine. Data Marco, Data Yu Han Sung and Data Eduan are the only ones who shine in their position and they are all not normal.

Although Karaka did start out as a Scout then went Fisherman then Wave Controller