[OOC] Lost Mine Of Phandelver (D&D 5e) (CLOSED)

[Necroes]

@Dark Cloud which is why my turtle is leaving it up to his God instead of just hitting him in the face with the mace.

[mickilennial]

You seem really insistent on killing this goblin.

[Dark Cloud]

@Necroes I'll roll for our good goblin horticulturist Bottles.

[Necroes]

@TGM if you want well reason justifications you're going to have to wait until I'm not driving home from work

[Dark Cloud]

@Necroes The goblin successfully saves with a 15

EDIT: Yes he has prof in Wis saves and no he wasn't originally targeted by it.

[Dark Cloud]

You seem really insistent on killing this goblin.

@TGM

I would too, but usually because I play goblin's who don't trust other goblinoids.

[Necroes]

@Dark Cloud Friend, I'm gonna have to call bullshit. Goblins don't have a prof in wisdom natively, and they definitely don't have a 14 wisdom score even if they did. Care to do that roll fairly? Cause as it stands those numbers say the DM wanted to influence fate, and not let the dice decide, which is a dangerous president to set.

[Dark Cloud]

@Dark Cloud Friend, I'm gonna have to call bullshit. Goblins don't have a prof in wisdom natively, and they definitely don't have a 14 wisdom score even if they did. Care to do that roll fairly? Cause as it stands those numbers say the DM wanted to influence fate, and not let the dice decide, which is a dangerous president to set.

@Necroes

Bruh I did, would you like me to put up his NPC stats? I didn't just come up with him on the fly, I wanted to make an NPC and made him like just before I posted my IC response for Haruki and modified his stats to reflect his personality and gave him a few random save profs of which were Wis, and Con as it made sense for a horticulturist.

I was completely fair.

[Dark Cloud]

If I'm going to make an interesting non-player character, I usually give them stats in case a player interacts with them, so no buddy I was completely fair and no I didn't just decide to make it that way.

[Dark Cloud]

And I didn't even roll the stats for the goblin as I was making it quickly so I used the PhB standard array.

[Necroes]

@Dark Cloud except those weren't his stats for the combat, and until you decided he was special he was just a goblin. If you want to just say he survives because of DM fiat, say that. Don't justify giving him 2 relevant saves (no class gives wis And con, it doesn't happen) and a 14 in wisdom on top of that over the usual 8 a normal goblin had, because you Wanted him to have better odds. Let the dice decide, or don't.

[Dark Cloud]

@Necroes I did let the dice decide, and as the DM I have the tools to modify monsters and NPC's to add flavor. I gave you the result as is of 15. I gave the goblin Wis save prof because to me it made sense, and if I had rolled less than your save I would have simply accepted it and moved on. So there was no fiat involved.

[Dark Cloud]

I didn't do anything to even the odds as that would have reflected negatively on my part, and the roll was simply how it went.

[mickilennial]

Can we not rule lawyer in a casual game with an obviously lax DM. That'd be nice.

[mickilennial]

I would too, but usually because I play goblin's who don't trust other goblinoids.

@Dark Cloud

For sure! My goblin paladin, Idriki, doesn't trust her own kind either. But she's not that impulsive. God I miss playing her.

[Necroes]

I didn't do anything to even the odds as that would have reflected negatively on my part, and the roll was simply how it went.

@Dark Cloud

Except that's exactly what you did, and you're right. It does reflect poorly on you.

Can we not rule lawyer in a casual game with an obviously lax DM. That'd be nice.

@TGM

I wouldn't have an issue with it, except this is the second time now this 'casual DM' has ruled against letting dice decide, in a dice game, the outcome of actions my character takes. Being lax with the rules is one thing. Actively nerfing my character because he doesn't like how I'm playing him is something I take personal offence to.

[Dark Cloud]

@Necroes I rolled didn't I?

[Necroes]

@Dark Cloud after modifying the stat line to make it more likely the creature would make the save. If you did that to anyone else, especially during a combat against the creature, they would be livid. And rightfully so.

[mickilennial]

This isn't your usual table. This is a play-by-post forum game. You are taking this way too seriously and are way too high strung about this.

[Dark Cloud]

@Dark Cloud after modifying the stat line to make it more likely the creature would make the save. If you did that to anyone else, especially during a combat against the creature, they would be livid. And rightfully so.

@Necroes

No I understand that, but I didn't change it with the intentions to ensure the likelihood of the save. Don't argue I did because I didn't.