[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[Veoline]

My dear friends, I am alive. Sincerely yours, XXX

[Pepperm1nts]

@duck55223 Are you going to post as Serbia? Cause if you're not, I would rather Revan take it. You are very, very active in other RP's, but not here, so it's not even that you're busy or equally inactive everywhere.

[Dinh AaronMk]

My dear friends, I am alive. Sincerely yours, XXX

@Veoline

Post.

[Veoline]

Hey Aaron, how'd you do? --'

[Dinh AaronMk]

I do doing.

[Rare]

I'm at my Spanish class but, the weekend is here. Which means that I will get a post out. Hungary is still alive!

[null123]

@duck55223 Are you going to post as Serbia? Cause if you're not, I would rather Revan take it. You are very, very active in other RP's, but not here, so it's not even that you're busy or equally inactive everywhere.

@Pepperm1nts

I am waiting on Googs to do something first, I was attempting diplomacy with him and that was going to be the next post but he seems to have forgotten about it. Edit:And I do not count short one sentence posts as being really really active in otger RPs.

[Pepperm1nts]

You posted a several paragraph-long post elsewhere just 4 hours ago. But either way, you shouldn't be waiting on anyone to post, much less fuckin' Googer. It'd be a stretch to say he's me-level inactive, but he's not exactly Aaron-level active either. Start up some new story-arcs that don't rely on someone else. Waitin' for someone is an excuse. This coming from a guy who has used that excuse before.

[Space Communist]

As well in Mexico, the indigenous customs of the pre-Colombian natives are much more infused with the Mexican identity than that of the US or Mexico which overtook native customs and culture and replaced it with their own anglo-European customs. Many Mexicans are already natives already and are not particularly concerned with native uprisings. Reason being: why rebel against yourself? Mexican aboriginal culture assimilated itself with European ideology pretty readily. If we're going to consider Religion as being the qualifier for whether or not a Mexican is truly aboriginal or not than they'd be just as much in the minority. Catholicism and the minorities of other Christian thought (Protestants, Mormons) still lead over pre-Columbian faith. When Spain colonized Mexico they didn't white-wash it by killing all the brown people and moving all the white people in as England and France did. They kept the natives. The only white appointments were the viceroys. But in the century or more since Mexico declared independence from Spain they've most likely balanced out its own government. Post-independence Mexico managed to successfully create a pretty concept of common identity as "Mexican" between "Whites" (an honest minority) and everyone else. So no, they got no reason to rebel for native identity when for the last two hundred years they've managed to blur, smoothen, or remove much of it.

@Dinh AaronMk

Hm. Good point.

Firstly, Native Americans in Canada are still way on the minority in terms of Canadian demographics. They couldn't possibly muster the numbers required to fight the "ebil Europeans" occupying their land. Like-wise, Canada experienced a wave of immigration from England during its period of Civil War which facilitated the current status of the nation. So they're still way too much on the minority to be of any issue.

@Dinh AaronMk

...wait, you think they would be fighting on their own? The whole purpose of the North American tribes coming together is to fight together. The American tribes would fight north alongside the Canadian aborigines, and vice versa. Not only that, but I think I should once again reiterate the strength of guerrilla warfare. Strike quickly and efficiently, then dick back into the shadows before your adversaries can react; attack in such a manner as to give off an air of omnipresence; deny the enemy his resources; hide and hold out for as long as necessary, until your foe gives up—even if that takes years. Do these things, and you will have a great chance at victory.

My dear friends, I am alive. Sincerely yours, XXX

@Veoline

'Sup m8

[Dinh AaronMk]

The thing is thought: the natives don't even have the numerical superiority for that, and the numbers of natives militant enough wouldn't make them any more than bandits. Assimilation would be a factor and many would have accepted the rule of Washington or Ontario. A radical fringe wouldn't possess the fire power or ability to properly do it. As with the incident of Wounded Knee in 1978 the conflict would ultimately come down to the Marshals service after some quick legislation is passed permitting them to utilize the resources necessary to clamp down on the radicals. But the last great ditch era of Native Uprising ended a century ago. The memories of Geronimo and the last great defenders of the old way are done. The White Man won, and they know exactly where they all are. Beyond that, this is the perpetuation of the joke that the US needs to be torn apart. This joke died long ago. And it won't be permitted again. A radical movement such as that would only really dawn in instances of severe civil rights abuses or the fervor of large-scale civil rights movement inspiring hard-line radicals to rise up. But they wouldn't be large enough still to be effective at anything.

[null123]

You posted a several paragraph-long post elsewhere just 4 hours ago. But either way, you shouldn't be waiting on anyone to post, much less fuckin' Googer. It'd be a stretch to say he's me-level inactive, but he's not exactly Aaron-level active either. Start up some new story-arcs that don't rely on someone else. Waitin' for someone is an excuse. This coming from a guy who has used that excuse before.

@Pepperm1nts

Four different people needed me to post when I made that post, I don't think were as desperate for a Serbia post.

[Pepperm1nts]

I think you're overestimating the effectiveness of guerrilla warfare. Guerrilla warfare isn't this magical thing that when applied is guaranteed to work. If it were, it'd be a conventional strategy. Guerrilla warfare is a thing borne of desperation, or helplessness. When people have no other way to fight and need to resort to hit-and-run tactics to combat overwhelming opposition. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It is not an especially effective strategy that works every time, or even most times. If it were such a strategy, no-one would fight any other way. It's also a strategy that is reliant on things like the environment to succeed. Look at where guerrilla fighter groups are most successful: Colombia, Africa, Vietnam, Iraq. All of these are places where the environment is in favor of guerrilla fighters because it allows them to hide well, and where the lack of infrastructure works against professional armies. Not to mention a guerrilla group still needs significant numbers to succeed. But regardless of any of that, the point is we can't have any more rebellions in the US. It's had enough. They are a hindrance. We need to let the US become important, especially now that we have a player that is doing such a great job at bring it back to life.

[Dinh AaronMk]

I think you're overestimating the effectiveness of guerrilla warfare. Guerrilla warfare isn't this magical thing that when applied is guaranteed to work. If it were, it'd be a conventional strategy. Guerrilla warfare is a thing borne of desperation, or helplessness. When people have no other way to fight and need to resort to hit-and-run tactics to combat overwhelming opposition. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. It is not an especially effective strategy that works every time, or even most times. If it were such a strategy, no-one would fight any other way. It's also a strategy that is reliant on things like landscape to succeed. Look at where guerrilla fighter groups are most successful: Colombia, Africa, Vietnam, Iraq. All of these are places where the environment is in favor of guerrilla fighters because it allows them to hide well, and where the lack of infrastructure works against professional armies. But regardless of any of that, the point is we can't have any more rebellions in the US. It's had enough. They are a hindrance. We need to let the US become important, especially now that we have a player that is doing such a great job at bring it back to life.

@Pepperm1nts

Not to mention the traditional lands are mostly all inhabited by the white man now, or border white settlements. If push comes to shove you'll see the Militias come in or even the American Legion who might bolster up the local communities and identify or encourage people to identify radicals. And even if not you'll know who the enemy is. Guerilla warfare works in places like Vietnam and Afghanistan because the occupying force couldn't tell the difference between a civilian and a enemy. In this context they would be able to spot them out. The only places they end up is being corralled in the deep country where there is no one living and living as outlaws until they become so endemically demoralized from accomplishing nothing the fighters go home. If they try anywhere else there's enough phones, radios, and guns to alert folks. It won't work, Revan. It won't ever get off the ground. Not from a demographic principle. Not from a strategic principle.

[Space Communist]

Alright, alright, sheesh. I'll drop the idea, then, if you guys really don't think it'll succeed. rip in sample text native rebels Hm...what of playing as Mexico? Not Mexican rebels or any of that, but the socialist-led country itself.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Welcome to the Third International.

[Rare]

Alright, I am home!!! And off of that shitty phone of mine! Now, I am working on the post.

[Space Communist]

Noice. Dat Comintern tho I gots to head out somewhere. I'll whip up a sheet for Mexico within the hour.

[Pepperm1nts]

As Mexico, your biggest focus would probably be dealing with the now not-dirty-commie US. It's doubtful any fighting would happen, but politically you are now rivals. Aside from that, I'm not sure what else you could do as Mexico besides deal with domestic stuff. If that's enough for you, cool. If you want a nation that can reach outward and get more involved in foreign policy, then you may want to look elsewhere.

[TheEvanCat]

Walk into the thread like what the fuck is happening?

[Dinh AaronMk]

In all it depends on how regular you write that makes you a quality nation or not, not what you do. Write shit, add something to the lore, and people will care. The Cominterm also isn't all that interested in dealing with the US, and China is tied up. So if you start trying to use it to promote revolution in the US then you'll likely be on your own. Foreign policy wise you might as well try to invite Cuba to the party so you're not alone in the North American bloc. Or anyone else in the region, party or otherwise.