[OOC] Precipice of War - We Write Under The Sign Of The Goat

[null123]

I am fine with Stale's app.

[Dinh AaronMk]

<Snipped quote by Dinh AaronMk> Alright, all of this is fair and good. On the matter of the Great Depression, I assumed it never happened not because I didn't see any mention of it, but because I didn't see any major effects surrounding it. I did not see any major wars, revolutions, or extreme changes that one would expect to result from economic hardship, such as the rise of fascism in Europe after the Great Depression irl. There was quite a lot of mention of these changes in post-war economies like Britain and France, but that was a result of the huge war that had struck the nations, not the depressed trough out of recurring booms and recessions.

@Space Communist

Well the thing is you could argue that there was a lot of change across the world as an effect of the Depression. In the lore summaries the US suffered economic insecurity and political swings well into the fifties. Likewise the UK collapsed politically with people over throwing the monarchy, this lending in to a lot of far-right folks moving into Canada and turning them into a sort of quasi-fascist regime. And Serbia is fascist as well and Germany flipped from a Republic post-war and is again a monarchy because the Republic was too weak. The reason why fascism hasn't become a thing is that there wasn't any big concentrated failure on anyone like Germany in the RL inter-war years that gave the Nazi party any reason to come around. And Italy was swept over by the Ottomans before Fascists could really come to anything.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Technically, Slovenia and Croatia didn't gain their independence until the late '70s, when Prussia annexed Austria. It was one of those things that was decided hastily in the timeskip though, and it's not really important. I am not sure why we went with Austria still having Slovenia and Croatia into the '70s, but I think it had something to do with the maps showing that they were still Austrian for whatever reason, so when I had Prussia annex Austria in the timeskip, I mentioned that Slovenia and Croatia were granted their independence. That said, I am willing to accept this change if Aaron doesn't have any problems with it. All I ask is that Prussian relations with Slovene-Croatia are good.

@Pepperm1nts

I guess it makes more sense if they left earlier. And if Duck's good and that's your only issue Stale is clear for rejoining.

[Space Communist]

Alright, fair enough. Let me resubmit this sheet (edits are in bold): Nation: La República de México Leader: Presidente-electo Hernando Estevez History: The country of Mexico gained it's independence after being established as a Spanish colony under the name "New Spain" in 1820, when Spanish general Agustin de Iturbide aided Mexican revolutionaries against the colonial masters of the region. Almost immediately after achieving independence, de Iturbide proclaimed himself emperor of all Mexico--until three years later, when he was ousted. Thus a representative government was established in Central America. Soon after, the Mexican government abolished slavery within their borders in 1829. In 1833, General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna was made President after defeating the leader of a coup d'etat. This, however, only resulted in him consolidating power to form a much more centralized government. After he installed a new constitution, many rebellions began to appear across the country, one of which was the Republic of Texas. After losing the Texan Independence war, Santa Anna returned back to Mexico City, only to find that a new government had established itself and ousted him. Santa Anna then regained power after battling a French invasion force, then became President once more. He was then thrown out again when economic turmoil struck the country, and then oversaw the US-Mexican war, as the United States had begun to annex Texas into their own borders. The war ended with Texas remaining in the US (up until the American Civil war), Mexico losing half of it's territory, and Santa Anna losing his presidency again. He later regained the position briefly in 1853, then lost it in 1855 as his last remaining supporters dropped any and all support for the corrupt autocrat. Mexico then returned to a federal republic under President Benito Juarez, who initiated several liberal reforms. However, the conservatives in the government refused to recognize them, and thus the so-called Reform war began, until finally Juarez and the liberals prevailed as the victors of the conflict. The conservatives were not finished, however; the French intervention in 1864 saw the installment of a monarch, Archduke Ferdinand Maximillian of Austria, as the head of a new imperial ally. This did not last long, however, and in 1867, he was overthrown and executed. Yet again, the country returned to representationalism as a republic, and thus President Porfirio Diaz was elected. He continued to become elected for five consecutive times, until the events of 1910 struck. Diaz held another election, running for a sixth term despite his very old age. He imprisoned a few opponents and declared that he had unanimously won the race. This was obviously not true, as a large portion of the vote had gone to jailed candidate Francisco I. Madero. Riots began to crop up across the nation, and Madero escaped prison to form an army to take down Diaz's regime. A swift war was waged between Madero's revolutionaries and Diaz's old generals, until finally Diaz resigned in 1911 and exiled himself to France where he later died. This peace did not last, however, as Madero was assassinated two years later in a coup d'etat. The new government refused to take entry in the Great War, recognizing both the danger of pulling in the United States (which fortunately did not enter the nightmarish conflict either) and the horrors the war had already seen. In 1926, the country was engulfed in a religious war known as the Cristero war over the mistreatment of Catholics by the secular government. It ended in 1929 when American ambassador to Mexico Dwight Morrow arranged a peace between the Cristeros and the Mexican government. However, local authorities continued to find ways to enforce the oppression of Catholics in some way or another. Over the next four decades, Mexico gained some economic growth, though it did face quite a bit of hardship in the deep economic depression that struck after the Great War. By 1970, it was one of the biggest economies in North America, save for Canada and the US. [Removed section referencing the RNF.] In the following years, the rise of the Nuevo Partido Comunista de Mexico began to challenge the sole governing party, the Partido Revolucionario Institucional, which would finally begin to decline in the face of growing communist desires. Eventually, the government made a compromise in order to keep their domination of congress: they would begin to implement socialist reforms. A planned economy would be set up, and certain institutions and firms would be nationalized. Not only that, but they chose to join the Third International, though it was a rather controversial move. This was enough to keep them in control of the government...but for how long is unknown.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Yer good then.

[Space Communist]

Yer good then.

@Dinh AaronMk

Sexcellent. ( ° ͡ ͜ʖ° ͡ ) Hopefully, I should have the first post for Mexico done before the night is over. On a side note, I've decided to start a little modding project in Civ V for the PoW nations. So far, I've started on Spain, China, Ethiopia, and Canada, and have jotted down concepts for the Russian Republic, Britain, and the US. It shouldn't be done too soon, but I do intend to finish it.

[Vilageidiotx]

<Snipped quote by Dinh AaronMk> Sexcellent. ( ° ͡ ͜ʖ° ͡ ) Hopefully, I should have the first post for Mexico done before the night is over. On a side note, I've decided to start a little modding project in Civ V for the PoW nations. So far, I've started on Spain, China, Ethiopia, and Canada, and have jotted down concepts for the Russian Republic, Britain, and the US. It shouldn't be done too soon, but I do intend to finish it.

@Space Communist

Keep us posted. I'd play the fuck out of that.

[null123]

<Snipped quote by Dinh AaronMk> Sexcellent. ( ° ͡ ͜ʖ° ͡ ) Hopefully, I should have the first post for Mexico done before the night is over. On a side note, I've decided to start a little modding project in Civ V for the PoW nations. So far, I've started on Spain, China, Ethiopia, and Canada, and have jotted down concepts for the Russian Republic, Britain, and the US. It shouldn't be done too soon, but I do intend to finish it.

@Space Communist

Oh god yes Do remember Serbia pls, Serbia stronk.

[Dinh AaronMk]

[Has not into Civ since 2] rip in peace live acting advisers.

[null123]

[Has not into Civ since 2] rip in peace live acting advisers.

@Dinh AaronMk

We need to get a petition to readd this to civ.

[Chapatrap]

[Has not into Civ since 2] rip in peace live acting advisers.

@Dinh AaronMk

Best Elvis ever.

[Space Communist]

<Snipped quote by Space Communist> Keep us posted. I'd play the fuck out of that.

@Vilageidiotx

Don't worry, I'll try my best. If I make any significant progress, I'll keep you guys updated.

<Snipped quote by Space Communist> Oh god yes Do remember Serbia pls, Serbia stronk.

@duck55223

Don't worry, I've got Serbia next on the list to brainstorm about. But this also brings up a very important note: I need to keep up with all the in-game countries that have players. I'd rather not leave anybody out. Another important thing to remember is that I need to figure out a unique UA for each one, plus add some UUs/UBs. In the end I may just give some of the civs UUs that already exist, such as Diplomatic Marriage for Brazil (for their SAC involvement). Others, like Ethiopia, need only minor changes (increased territorial combat bonus in exchange for unhappiness from population/cities).

[null123]

<Snipped quote by Vilageidiotx> Don't worry, I'll try my best. If I make any significant progress, I'll keep you guys updated. <Snipped quote by duck55223> Don't worry, I've got Serbia next on the list to brainstorm about. But this also brings up a very important note: I need to keep up with all the in-game countries that have players. I'd rather not leave anybody out. Another important thing to remember is that I need to figure out a unique UA for each one, plus add some UUs/UBs. In the end I may just give some of the civs UUs that already exist, such as Diplomatic Marriage for Brazil (for their SAC involvement). Others, like Ethiopia, need only minor changes (increased territorial combat bonus in exchange for unhappiness from population/cities).

@Space Communist

Being a heavily Fascist state and a militaristic state Serbia should get some kind of bonus to military. Or considering they want to unite all of the South Slavs, some kind of decrease in unhappiness received from citizens? Edit:Or cities so they will be heavily expansionist.

[Meiyuuhi]

What we need is a Precipice of War mod for Hearts of Iron 4, when it comes out. That I would play the hell out of (and it would likely be less glitchy)

[Space Communist]

<Snipped quote by Space Communist> Being a heavily Fascist state and a militaristic state Serbia should get some kind of bonus to military. Or considering they want to unite all of the South Slavs, some kind of decrease in unhappiness received from citizens? Edit:Or cities so they will be heavily expansionist.

@duck55223

I was thinking of giving them a combat bonus against city-states. Considering there are a lot of unowned Balkan nations surrounding Serbia (save for Romania), this would make for a very good UA. Not only that, but seeing as Romania is very defensive of it's trade to Bulgaria, they could be given a friendly city-state bonus as an incentive to preserve them, thus leading to conflict between the two Balkan nations.

[null123]

<Snipped quote by duck55223> I was thinking of giving them a combat bonus against city-states. Considering there are a lot of unowned Balkan nations surrounding Serbia (save for Romania), this would make for a very good UA. Not only that, but seeing as Romania is very defensive of it's trade to Bulgaria, they could be given a friendly city-state bonus as an incentive to preserve them, thus leading to conflict between the two Balkan nations.

@Space Communist

Seems good.

[Rare]

What we need is a Precipice of War mod for Hearts of Iron 4, when it comes out. That I would play the hell out of (and it would likely be less glitchy)

@Mihndar

Hearts of Iron 3 or Victoria 2 PoW Mod I'd play the shit out of those games. Edit: I just need Heart of Darkness to complete my Victoria 2 set.

[null123]

<Snipped quote by Mihndar> Hearts of Iron 3 or Victoria 2 PoW Mod I'd play the shit out of those games. Edit: I just need Heart of Darkness to complete my Victoria 2 set.

@Rare

I have a tiny amount of experience with Victoria 2 modding, so i could throw together some basic events and country files

[Pepperm1nts]

Civ Prussia/Germany needs to get a bonus of hot babes.

[Shyri]

I actually started making a Victoria 2 mod for PoW countries a while back, but kind of forgot about it. It's still just sitting there on my hard drive. Waiting.