[OOC] Stargate - Alliances

[Sundered Echo]

We are going to zat or kill the crews. Sure some might kamikaze, though it does seem at odds with Halions preservation of the fleet idea...

[Lady Seraphina]

It would be better for Halion were those ships to explode and severely damage the Langford than for all his ships and the Langford to start firing on the surface of Tolia.

[Ellri]

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The Langford shields have no trouble at all standing up against even direct impact from an Al'kesh. Besides, don't forget that space is vast. Two objects striking each other is pretty hard. Especially if one is actively avoiding the other.

[Forsythe]

Severely damage the langford? I thought Halion was aware jsut how hopeless ramming is against the asgard shields?

[Lady Seraphina]

I didn't mean a literal kamikaze, I meant get as close as possible and arm the self destruct. Blow yourself up right next to the Langford's shields, that much naquadah exploding in such a close proximity has got to do something.

Anyways guys as far as your back up plan goes I don't think you are able to ring aboard the ships while the shields are up. There aren't many occurrences of using the rings to get aboard an enemy vessel during a fight but in Season 5 Revelations the shields output on Osiris' ship had to be altered manually to allow Anubis entry. SG-1 used this to get aboard themselves at the same time as Anubis. The Ori ship that Daniel ringed aboard was under heavy fire from the Korolev which would have altered the properties of the shield enough to allow rings through, this couldn't be repeated on a Goa'uld ship as the force the Korolev was required to exert on there shields would destroy an ordinary Goa'uld craft. The ship that Vala ringed to in order to stop the create of the Supergate didn't have shields.

Think about it, if Goa'uld were able to simple ring to enemy ships then why was it not common practice.

[Sep]

Cause it wasn't worth the resources in terms of the use of Jaffa. It wasn't easy to take a ship that possessed a full complement of Jaffa as they were in a defensible position. Al'kesh it wasn't worth the time. However your Ha'tak doesn't have a full team of defenders.

Anyway due to complaints from other players (Who shall remain nameless), Halion has been killed off and this Episode has been taken over by myself and Echo. You seem to counter everything immediately Prince and it has annoyed the other players. Areyn can remain as is and still play his part in the plot. The only difference is I will be running the show as Tonak instead of Halion.

[Sundered Echo]

Well the alternative is that we just blast every one of your ships into so much space dust. Would you prefer that?

Besides, GM ruling is now up.

[Lady Seraphina]

That would be exactly the problem. It's is hard to play a bad guy who has no resources, no leverage and for all intensive purposes no plan. In Stargate any enemy had something that would give the Tau'ri pause. Usually it was the inability to destroy them or fear of the repercussions that would follow if they did. Halion didn't have any options as you put it the Tau'ri could very easily destroy everyone of his ships without so much as a microt of damage to there own. It usually the home team who is at an unfair advantage. So I argued for any sort of advantage I could give him but you guys didn't even want the Halion to be able to tell if the ship had guns on it. Can anyone honestly tell me that they enjoy playing a game where they can't lose.

Now that the Lucien Alliance has stepped in things should pick up, thanks god the burden of command is not on my shoulders anymore.

Thought I still do want an answer to the rings question, I wasn't just being augmentative, I looked through records and as far as I can see shields do block rings. I was looking for a ruling.

[Sep]

They do however most Ha'tak have the same frequency, it is pretty hard to use the same tech to change frequencies. It wasn't practical as I said to storm a Ha'tak at full strength by Force (Of course with the Kull Warriors it was a lot easier) and Anubis had a lot of power behind him even before he made the Kull Warriors.

It was usually a case of trying to batter it down to the point where its life support was ruined and it couldn't fight back to where it was possible to take the ship by force.

Of course, if that isn't possible just blow it up.

[Sundered Echo]

Ori shields do block it, but I recall at least one instance of shielded ships recieving rings, for example Apophis' two motherships that first attacked earth.

Also, creating the ilusion of difficulty is not about providing a direct counter to everything a player does. Ultimately, players are going to triumph, it is the nature of RPs for the players to win, excepting when that player actually prefers to lose. Far more enjoyment is gained by creating a plan to counter a situation and then watching it unfold. Difficluty is added when, in the process of carrying out the plan, stuff goes wrong. Sometimes this must be added by the GM, but more often than not players actually create difficulty for themselves.

[Sep]

As a GM, expect the players to shit on your plans. Royally. I have not led one roleplay where I had a route set out and the players went "Lets go this way instead!" It is why I like to stand back Icly from command roles.

No-one holds it against you, we hold it against Halion.

[Lady Seraphina]

That I know but the triumph doesn't mean much unless it is won through hardship. The situation presented currently as it was didn't have any room for difficulty to arise. If negotiations went badly then the team would be beamed back to the ship and a full force attack would be instigated. The absolute worst case scenario of that set up was Earth not getting these ships and having to blows them up before taking everything they wanted by force. There was no room for a player to create difficulty because there was very little that could go wrong.

But I digress, this is no longer my issue and no longer my responsibility so I'm going to leave it alone. Just promise me we'll face some challenges later on.

[Sep]

Prince of Seraphs said
That I know but the triumph doesn't mean much unless it is won through hardship. The situation presented currently as it was didn't have any room for difficulty to arise. If negotiations went badly then the team would be beamed back to the ship and a full force attack would be instigated. The absolute worst case scenario of that set up was Earth not getting these ships and having to blows them up before taking everything they wanted by force. There was no room for a player to create difficulty because there was very little that could go wrong.But I digress, this is no longer my issue and no longer my responsibility so I'm going to leave it alone. Just promise me we'll face some challenges later on.

There were going to be challenges but do it the SG way. We go in, everything seems to be just peachy and then BAM shit hits the fan. We try not to jump straight into it.

Anyway, gotta work on some stuff first.

[Lady Seraphina]

Sundered Echo said
Ori shields do block it, but I recall at least one instance of shielded ships receiving rings, for example Apophis' two motherships that first attacked earth.

As they were allied ships the shield frequencies between them were most likely altered to allow the specific rings of the two ships to pass between each other for transport of troops and weaponry.

[Sundered Echo]

This is only the first instance that came to mind. If I must find more I will, suffice to say you can ring onto a Goa'uld ship pretty easily.

The reason its not used regularly is because of boarding action 101. If you aren't going in with a far superior force, you're wasteing forces.

And this is one of the worst mistakes a GM can make. Never assume you've thought of everything, because you haven't. I have stopped counting the number of times my players have surprised me totally when I thought I'd accounted for everything. Believe me, there are most definitely ways to make things go wrong that you have not thought of.
I also have not thought of all of them, but as an example I will give some things that could go wrong on Ariadne's theoretical assault on the Ha'tak.
Debris strikes the 302, crippling it and ensuring they cannot escape with it or forcing them to land in a bay cut off from their destination on the Ha'tak.
She arrives in the engine room, only to find that there are no spare crystals and her ability is limited to yanking the crystals already there.
Alternatively, perhaps she arrives and in the firefight a staff blast hits some important crystals, maybe even damaging the crystal receptacle, at which point she has to work to bypass it, if it can be salvaged at all.

I just came up with those things in the past few minutes, and all are things I would willingly write in as happening to my own char, GM or no. Never underestimate players.

[GravityFlux]

Sep said
You're leaving?I have literally just got us access to the planet to send you down...

Not entirely, I hope... But things have popped up a lot. College is eating more of my time than expected, and I don't think me doing what I'm doing is good for the RP

[Sep]

There is time. IF you don't want to go on the ground right now you can take a more commanding role.

[GravityFlux]

Sep said
There is time. IF you don't want to go on the ground right now you can take a more commanding role.

You know, what? You're right. But I'm getting on the ground. I think I need a break from studies anyways. Post coming up

[Ciphra]

Alright looks like I got something to do now woot! I'll try and find some time at school to post up a little something. (Btw with my eyes sometimes I might miss if a post mentions my character so if I don't respond within a considered reasonable time please inform me because it most likely means I missed the mention of my character or haven't gotten to that post yet and just need to be informed!)

[Ellri]

Chatlog

May 05 14:58:15 <Ellri> http://student.umb.no/~henrgj/Langford/Langford05
May 05 14:58:29 <Ellri> there. nice near-rectangle
May 05 14:59:22 <Sep> So top three Physics, Biology, Chemistry
May 05 14:59:32 <Sep> Left Biohazard and right EM shielded.
May 05 14:59:47 <Sep> and for the record cause I'm fed up of this discussion.
May 05 14:59:57 <Sep> There was no question.
May 05 15:00:13 <Ellri> that sounds perfect, Sep
May 05 15:00:25 <Forsythe> but what about...? J/k
May 05 15:00:39 * Ellri has kicked Forsythe from #Aftermath (Ellri)
May 05 15:00:45 <Ellri> there. Joke answered.
May 05 15:01:10 <Echo> that was a little extreme
May 05 15:01:11 <Ellri> now to wait for him to figure that out
May 05 15:01:14 <Ellri> sorry.
May 05 15:01:18 * Forsythe ([e-mail]) has joined #Aftermath
May 05 15:01:18 * Ellri grin at Forsythe
May 05 15:01:22 <Sep> Well glad that wasn't me, my 26 cents of internet would go if I had to reload.
May 05 15:01:23 <Forsythe> rofling here xD
May 05 15:01:40 <Ellri> that was the goal, Forsythe
May 05 15:02:03 <Sep> I call dibs on physics being in the middle
May 05 15:02:06 <Sep> as in top middle.
May 05 15:02:19 <Ellri> all those teal rooms can be quarters, storage, whatevr
May 05 15:02:41 <Sep> I like the location, I get a good feeling about it.
May 05 15:02:47 <Sep> Its the aura.
May 05 15:02:56 <Ellri> that entire block is 51x32m
May 05 15:03:17 <Ellri> 2.2m tall
May 05 15:03:33 <Ellri> and the walls are .5m thick. lots of room for cables, air ducts, crystals, you name it
May 05 15:03:35 <Papi|Away> Aaaaaaand I'm back
May 05 15:03:40 <Ellri> we'come back
May 05 15:03:57 <Sep> Good timing Papi you missed the debating.
May 05 15:04:00 <Sep> and arrived at the conclusion.
May 05 15:04:14 <Ellri> a nice and nasty argument (yes, that is a contradiction)
May 05 15:04:25 <Echo> i'm not going to say anything
May 05 15:04:29 <Sep> Also Ellri, no more rooms need mapped out to prevent... any discussions like this happening again.
May 05 15:04:38 <Ellri> not planning on any
May 05 15:04:41 <Sep> Our imaginations should suffice from now on.
May 05 15:04:54 <Ellri> besides, one can imagine the rooms following a similar style
May 05 15:05:00 <Sep> Forsythe can plan the bridge if he wants but that is cause it is his party place :P
May 05 15:05:10 <Ellri> and we hate the idea of building an entire ship interior
May 05 15:05:29 <Ellri> at least doing it alone
May 05 15:05:34 <Sep> Gate room will get a good description in the next episode anyway.
May 05 15:05:45 <Forsythe> jsut imagine the pegasus C&C, that'S what I was going for
May 05 15:05:55 <Sep> but with a window
May 05 15:06:00 <Forsythe> NO
May 05 15:06:00 <Sep> and chairs.
May 05 15:06:01 <Ellri> Sep. we gave a gateroom description earlier when Ylva arrived onship
May 05 15:06:14 <Forsythe> NO WINDOWS NOT NEVER
May 05 15:06:17 <Sep> A refined description dear Ellri dear Ellri.
May 05 15:06:28 <Echo> WIndows!
May 05 15:06:30 <Sep> so you're having a CIC?
May 05 15:06:36 <Sep> not a bridge?
May 05 15:06:38 <Echo> I'm gonig to make the ship out of windows!
May 05 15:06:46 <Ellri> windows on a spaceship is a tactical flaw
May 05 15:06:53 <Echo> and thne install windows on the computer so your window ship can run on wondows!
May 05 15:06:54 <Sep> Gotta stop calling it a bridge
May 05 15:06:56 <Sep> if it is a CIC
May 05 15:07:00 <Ellri> especially on the command area
May 05 15:07:10 <Forsythe> i suppose if you want to play with words Sep. There si the holo for the external cameras that substitutes
May 05 15:07:10 <Ellri> but then, that flaw is present in nearly every SG ship
May 05 15:07:29 <Sep> Hush Ellri, don't get me started on the bridges of star wars ships
May 05 15:07:39 <Sep> at least in EU they have a command salon for the ships commander
May 05 15:07:41 <Ellri> only one we've seen in stargate without some window, is the replicator block ships
May 05 15:07:52 <Sep> The Goa'uld I understand
May 05 15:07:53 <Sep> as do the Ori
May 05 15:08:02 <Sep> Goa'uld want to see what the fuck they're doing so they can gloat
May 05 15:08:05 <Ellri> in SW, it makes zero sense
May 05 15:08:12 <Sep> Priors control the ship by thought so it helps to see where they are going.
May 05 15:08:14 <Ellri> tau'ri like to take in the view of planets
May 05 15:08:16 <Echo> SW ships are horrific offenders
May 05 15:08:25 <Ellri> actually... do asgard ships have windows?
May 05 15:08:31 <Sep> Nope
May 05 15:08:33 <Sep> not that I recall
May 05 15:08:39 <Ellri> just realized the same
May 05 15:08:41 <Echo> yes
May 05 15:08:44 <Echo> they do
May 05 15:08:51 <Sep> Tiny little ones on airlocks and stuff
May 05 15:08:54 <Sep> but not a big one on the bridge
May 05 15:09:04 <Echo> no htey had quite a few windows
May 05 15:09:12 <Ellri> the ancients had to feed their egos, so they had windows too
May 05 15:09:14 <Echo> but their bridge is not on the edge of the hull
May 05 15:09:24 <Echo> wraith even have windows
May 05 15:09:37 <Sep> Forsythe, you will want to clear up pretty early on that you have a CIC
May 05 15:09:38 <Sep> not a bridge
May 05 15:09:41 <Sep> so people don't get confused.
May 05 15:09:50 <Sep> In fact.
May 05 15:09:52 <Sep> Waiiiittttt
May 05 15:10:01 <Sep> you will need to find a way to describe why the langford HAS such a design
May 05 15:10:21 <Sep> Why not have the bridge but have amazing blast shutters that close in battle
May 05 15:10:28 <Forsythe> Design evolution, elimination of weakspots
May 05 15:10:28 <Sep> similar to how destiny's bridge drops
May 05 15:10:36 <Ellri> at least in SG the "bridges" are heavily shielded
May 05 15:10:47 <Sep> Or have a bridge completely like destiny's
May 05 15:10:50 <Ellri> that design is a nifty one, Sep
May 05 15:10:51 <Sep> I love how destiny's does that.
May 05 15:10:52 <Forsythe> so instead of making it simple and shoving the most important room in the ship safely inside i should put overcomplicated shutters ona weakspot?
May 05 15:11:10 <Ellri> isn't that logical, Forsythe?
May 05 15:11:14 * Ellri grin
May 05 15:11:16 <Forsythe> that sounds like something Dr. Lee would do
May 05 15:11:22 <Sep> You're flying a spaceship with beaming weapons, teleportation, wormhole generators, shields and a hyperdrive
May 05 15:11:29 <Sep> and you think shutters are complicated?
May 05 15:11:39 <Sep> xD
May 05 15:11:43 <Forsythe> they are by comparasm to having a CIC. Endo fo story
May 05 15:11:58 <Forsythe> it is like so, dal with it :P
May 05 15:11:59 <Sep> The Tauri like windows. It has to be said though.
May 05 15:12:18 <Sep> Shutters or destiny style.
May 05 15:12:20 <Sep> Dose your options :P
May 05 15:12:33 <Sep> I'd say the more likely is destiny style
May 05 15:12:58 <Sep> I mean who here says Destiny's bridge isn't awesome.
May 05 15:13:25 <Forsythe> IDC abotu oprions it's been roleplayed as CIC since day one. You're jsut being difficult for the sake of being difficult
May 05 15:13:37 <Papi|Away> Aside from the fact that moving parts are inherently less durable than fixed parts.....
May 05 15:13:48 <Forsythe> ^ there you go, thank you
May 05 15:13:49 <Sep> I have seen you mention the holotable thingy
May 05 15:13:57 <Sep> but I don't recall you actually mentioning no windows.
May 05 15:14:12 <Sep> I just don't see why they would move the bridge on this particular ship
May 05 15:14:13 <Forsythe> i mentioned that on IRC several time
May 05 15:14:25 <Echo> we decided way at the start it was in the ships neck
May 05 15:14:26 <Forsythe> first when you asked me WHERE I WANTED THE EFFIN THING
May 05 15:14:35 <Echo> when sep asked
May 05 15:14:40 <Echo> wher eit was gonna be
May 05 15:14:44 <Sep> Wait you meant IN the neck?
May 05 15:14:52 <Sep> I meant overlooking the neck.
May 05 15:14:56 <Echo> so everyone stop, take off your design hats
May 05 15:15:04 <Forsythe> jsut stick with it. If you want to break windows somewhere, go for the aft tower and observatin deck. You know, where YOUR character lives, if you are keen on the windows so much
May 05 15:15:04 <Echo> and leave the ship alone
May 05 15:15:12 <Echo> while we're all still friends
May 05 15:15:44 <Sep> I can see now that I communicated improperly what I meant a while ago, but as it was my error it appears that the technicians put it there. Oh well
May 05 15:15:47 <Sep> nothing we can do there.
May 05 15:15:56 <Sep> I don't want to rebuild the ship.
May 05 15:16:01 <Forsythe> xD
May 05 15:16:05 <Forsythe> but... asgard core?
May 05 15:16:10 * Forsythe braces for ellri kick
May 05 15:16:10 <Sep> SHUP FORSYTHE
May 05 15:16:22 <Sep> GuideKick
May 05 15:16:23 <Sep> new move.
May 05 15:16:26 <Ellri> but but... WE WANTS A WINDOW ON THE BRIDGE! WAAAHH!
May 05 15:16:36 <Ellri> nah, just joking, Forsythe
May 05 15:16:41 <Papi|Away> Can't you just have a viewscreen?
May 05 15:16:45 <Sep> Just go to the observation deck.
May 05 15:16:52 <Sep> Well they will have a viewscreen :P
May 05 15:16:55 <Forsythe> if you stuck with Astridh you might have had a say in what goes on the bridge, now forever remain silent ellri :P
May 05 15:17:13 <Sep> Basically what happened was at the start as there have been three placements of the 304 bridge in the past
May 05 15:17:22 <Sep> nose, tower at the back and overlooking the neck
May 05 15:17:29 <Sep> I didn't say "overlooking" the neck
May 05 15:17:30 <Sep> Forsythe said neck
May 05 15:17:34 <Sep> It got put inside neck.
May 05 15:17:36 <Sep> Job done.
May 05 15:17:37 <Ellri> from a tactical perspective, having the bridge protected by thick hull plating
May 05 15:17:48 <Ellri> makes perfect sense
May 05 15:17:56 <Sep> I suppose the bridge keeps moving on 304s so we can just use the logic that they have been trying to find somewhere safe to put it with a window
May 05 15:18:04 <Sep> then the techies watched battlestar galactica and went
May 05 15:18:08 <Sep> "Oh, that looks like a good idea."
May 05 15:18:12 <Sep> and it was so
May 05 15:18:15 <Forsythe> ¨lol
May 05 15:18:33 <Sep> Could have been worse
May 05 15:18:39 <Sep> they could have watched star wars and built a big ass tower.
May 05 15:18:46 <Forsythe> bridge in the landing gear
May 05 15:18:53 <Sep> lolwhut
May 05 15:18:57 <Ellri> that's next, Forsythe
May 05 15:19:00 <Echo> or worse
May 05 15:19:11 <Echo> make the tower like the one on a mon-cal ship
May 05 15:19:20 <Forsythe> you note that i only put a tiny view cupola on the command deck of the carrier i'm making?
May 05 15:19:21 <Echo> attached by a thin little strut
May 05 15:19:26 <Sep> or like the CIS observation deck.
May 05 15:19:30 <Forsythe> CIc rules, windows suck. Ask the Geth
May 05 15:19:45 <Echo> geth don't even have a cic
May 05 15:19:56 <Sep> I think that design Forsythe should be the 305
May 05 15:20:01 <Sep> it fits what we were planning for the Tempest.
May 05 15:20:07 <Sep> Smaller, more versatile.
May 05 15:20:10 <Forsythe> can be
May 05 15:20:39 <Sep> Give it a year and MGM will start taking ideas off us for a new Stargate series :P
May 05 15:21:09 <Forsythe> right, we'Re gonna get filthy rich!
May 05 15:21:42 <Sep> Except for Prince.
May 05 15:21:42 <Papi|Away> Well....
May 05 15:21:50 <Papi|Away> This is a public forum.....
May 05 15:21:52 <Forsythe> I'm putting a place in the model for the union jack texture :D
May 05 15:22:08 * Sep copyrights the thread.
May 05 15:22:44 <Papi|Away> Yeah good idea
May 05 15:23:07 <Sep> Reminds me of Runescape ROleplay where you actually had to do that.
May 05 15:23:15 <Sep> I made this RP guide on Runescape forums
May 05 15:23:21 <Sep> Someone copied it all, the bastard.
May 05 15:23:28 * Ellri replace Forsythe's place for union jack with a place for Jolly Roger
May 05 15:23:31 <Sep> doesn't matter for two reasons now
May 05 15:23:39 <Sep> can't remember my username and password
May 05 15:23:41 <Sep> runescape sucks now
May 05 15:24:08 <Forsythe> all i do on RS is dungeoneering nowdays
May 05 15:24:24 <Sep> I used to fish and mage.
May 05 15:24:25 <Forsythe> like. once a year
May 05 15:24:32 <Sep> I wanted to get 99 mage, but then I forgot shit
May 05 15:24:32 <Papi|Away> I was looking over the characters in the RP
May 05 15:24:34 <Sep> and then it sucked.
May 05 15:24:45 <Ellri> yes?
May 05 15:24:54 <Sep> Yeah Rea'c and Lawson or.... Williams one of the two had sheets
May 05 15:25:00 <Sep> but they are lost in the thread somewhere.
May 05 15:25:12 <Ellri> probably one of the hidden posts, Sep
May 05 15:25:17 <Papi|Away> I noticed you don't have a nerd...
May 05 15:25:21 <Sep> How did it become hidden.
May 05 15:25:31 <Sep> Well the closest to Daniel we have is Milton
May 05 15:25:32 <Sep> who also has SF training
May 05 15:25:39 <Sep> or Kay
May 05 15:25:41 <Sep> who has SF training
May 05 15:25:43 <Ellri> echo broke one trying to stick far too many characters in a post
May 05 15:25:58 <Sep> Yeah but I did post them solo didn't I?
May 05 15:26:01 <Sep> so they should be /somewhere/
May 05 15:26:13 <Ellri> not sure you ever posted them in the OoC
May 05 15:26:18 <Sep> I did.
May 05 15:26:22 <Echo> yes
May 05 15:26:26 <Sep> I remember searching for images for them all
May 05 15:26:28 <Echo> I broke it
May 05 15:26:42 <Sep> IT is okay Echo, everyone blamed you anyway
May 05 15:26:48 <Papi|Away> Like a really stereotypical D&D playing, cyber-pirating, hacker nerd
May 05 15:27:09 <Sep> Wait like a computer guy?
May 05 15:27:23 <Sep> A computer guy would be interesting, especially against the Alliance
May 05 15:27:41 <Sep> Our Bill Lee is probably Lawson
May 05 15:27:49 <Papi|Away> computer guy/girl haven't decided yet
May 05 15:28:01 <Sep> When I say Guy I just mean person
May 05 15:28:02 <Sep> I don't mean gender.
May 05 15:28:02 <Forsythe> "That guy's playing galuga"
May 05 15:28:11 <Sep> ^What I thought.
May 05 15:28:24 <Ellri> no Rea’c sheet in the first ten OoC pages
May 05 15:28:42 <Papi|Away> Oh yeah I couldn't find that one
May 05 15:28:43 <Sep> or "Solitare? I keep trying to get it wiped from Daedalus' systems but it keeps cropping up again."
May 05 15:28:46 <Sep> I remember posting it :P
May 05 15:29:16 <Echo> Rea'c sheet is on the hidden post
May 05 15:29:17 <Papi|Away> If it was in a hider I probably forgot it
May 05 15:29:32 <Papi|Away> missed it I mean
May 05 15:29:34 <Sep> But it should be in the thread in one of my posts too :P
May 05 15:29:54 <Echo> nope
May 05 15:30:02 <Sep> I posted it.
May 05 15:30:02 <Echo> you were lazy and only had it put in mine
May 05 15:30:03 <Sep> WAIT
May 05 15:30:05 <Sep> WAIT
May 05 15:30:06 <Sep> Yeah
May 05 15:30:09 <Sep> I remember now
May 05 15:30:12 <Sep> Him and LAwson
May 05 15:30:15 <Sep> Was it Lawson?
May 05 15:30:18 <Sep> or Williams?
May 05 15:30:19 <Sep> One of the two
May 05 15:30:22 <Ellri> nor in the first 20 pages, Sep
May 05 15:30:22 <Echo> williams
May 05 15:30:24 <Sep> I just got you to put em on
May 05 15:30:39 <Echo> that post still exists
May 05 15:30:40 <Papi|Away> Anyway I was thinking someone young and super nerdy that makes lots of references to shows and games that no one knows
May 05 15:30:47 <Ellri> yes, but only mods can see it
May 05 15:30:47 <Echo> it'll just be a pain to get it
May 05 15:31:00 <Sep> Also I can imagine Papi spending most of his time removing games from the PCs on the langford
May 05 15:31:03 <Papi|Away> Particularly Star Trek references
May 05 15:31:05 <Sep> I will get around to recreating them at some point.
May 05 15:31:08 <Ellri> bill Lee did that, Papi|Away
May 05 15:31:10 <Ellri> so fits
May 05 15:31:18 <Sep> So basically Papi, a Eli?
May 05 15:31:29 <Papi|Away> Eli?
May 05 15:31:33 <Echo> Papi, you could take the away part off now...
May 05 15:31:34 <Ellri> SG:U
May 05 15:31:37 <Sep> SGU?
May 05 15:31:48 <Sep> Computer/gaming nerd
May 05 15:31:49 <Papi|Away> Oh yeah
May 05 15:31:51 <Sep> gets beamed out his house
May 05 15:31:58 <Echo> SG Yu
May 05 15:32:08 <Papi|Away> Right yeah kind of like that
May 05 15:32:11 <Echo> a game about Yu
May 05 15:32:15 <Sep> Yu was awesome, he should of appeared more.
May 05 15:32:15 <Echo> that would be awesome
May 05 15:32:51 <Forsythe> Yu for voice of the stagate homeworld mod :P
May 05 15:32:55 <Ellri> Yu was quite possibly even more powerful than Ra at one time
May 05 15:33:10 <Sep> and he had developed cloning.
May 05 15:33:17 <Sep> His first prime was a clone of Sun Tzu.
May 05 15:33:33 <Sep> THE MORE YOU KNOW
May 05 15:33:48 <Ellri> The more Yu knows, the...
May 05 15:33:56 <Echo> Ra definitely had the most awesome mask though
May 05 15:33:59 * Papi|Away is now known as Papi
May 05 15:34:04 <Sep> God damnit Echo, starting the Yu conversation.
May 05 15:34:19 <Sep> or should I say,s tarting the conversation about yu?
May 05 15:34:38 * Sep is now known as ASep
May 05 15:34:42 <Echo> I know, yYu just cant resist talking about me
May 05 15:34:49 <ASep> I dun like being at the bottom.
May 05 15:34:53 <Echo> me an Yu
May 05 15:34:57 <Echo> :p
May 05 15:34:59 * ASep is now known as Sep
May 05 15:35:08 <Sep> Yu and I togetherrrrrr!
May 05 15:35:12 <Sep> Yu and I FOREVEERRRRR
May 05 15:35:15 <Echo> as if
May 05 15:35:31 <Sep> I am not talking about you I am talking about Yu
May 05 15:35:31 <Sep> god.
May 05 15:35:40 <Echo> yes, he is a god
May 05 15:35:51 <Sep> Forsythe.
May 05 15:36:18 <Sep> Your romance with Ariadne/Idalia is going to be cut short by her immediate and completely random/unexplained death.
May 05 15:36:32 <Sep> Sorry.
May 05 15:36:43 <Echo> did you know that at one time Ariadne served Yu?
May 05 15:37:00 <Sep> Goddamnit Echo.
May 05 15:37:09 <Echo> xD
May 05 15:37:09 <Sep> See what I have to put up with for my Co-Gm Papi?
May 05 15:37:11 <Sep> See what I have to deal with?
May 05 15:37:16 <Echo> I do love making things difficult
May 05 15:37:30 * Ellri start making things with the asgard core
May 05 15:37:40 <Sep> This is why I play the bad guys, just to kill his friends.
May 05 15:37:41 <Sep> Goddamnit Ellri.
May 05 15:37:49 <Ellri> what?
May 05 15:38:05 <Ellri> we're not doing anything harmful...
May 05 15:38:07 <Sep> You realize guys, that I am now in direct control of the Antagonists of this Episode.
May 05 15:38:08 <Echo> I think we should make an Ori mothership with the ASgard core
May 05 15:38:20 <Forsythe> hey speaking of asgard core and missing XOs, can i haz cap clone? xDDD
May 05 15:38:22 <Ellri> its only a little bubonic plague for the IOA guy
May 05 15:38:34 <Ellri> it'll improve him
May 05 15:38:36 <Ellri> trust us
May 05 15:38:52 <Echo> is that so that cap can put a snake in her clone and then romance an exotic version of herself?
May 05 15:38:59 * Sep ticks box "Lucian alliance fleet of 50 Ha'tak."
May 05 15:39:15 <Echo> gawd sep
May 05 15:39:20 <Echo> learn to do it right
May 05 15:39:29 * Echo ticks the "Ori resurgance" box
May 05 15:39:42 <Sep> Echo.
May 05 15:39:48 <Sep> Know what you didn't want to turn up?
May 05 15:39:50 * Ellri tick the box for replicator-based 304 shipyard
May 05 15:39:52 <Sep> and if it did just for one Episode?
May 05 15:39:58 <Sep> Guess who is the new bad guy for Season 1?
May 05 15:40:07 <Echo> Yu?
May 05 15:40:07 <Sep> or say antagonists
May 05 15:40:12 <Sep> No, Replicators.
May 05 15:40:18 <Echo> ohmygod
May 05 15:40:28 <Sep> They're going to come through the supergate
May 05 15:40:29 <Sep> with the Ori fleet
May 05 15:40:33 <Sep> and just fuck everything up.
May 05 15:40:36 <Sep> Cause fuck you echo.
May 05 15:40:36 <Echo> sounds fun
May 05 15:40:37 <Sep> fuck you.
May 05 15:40:50 <Echo> This is the best idea yet
May 05 15:40:52 <Sep> We're all going to DIE.
May 05 15:40:53 <Sep> Because of you.
May 05 15:40:55 <Echo> why didn't we start with this?
May 05 15:40:58 <Forsythe> Sep did you mean Fuck Yu?
May 05 15:41:20 * Forsythe runs like hell
May 05 15:41:30 <Sep> I just...
May 05 15:41:32 <Sep> I can't...
May 05 15:41:44 <Sep> Oh look, the Langford has regressed into a BC-303
May 05 15:41:48 <Echo> Tomorrow, there is gonna be so much awkward silence.
May 05 15:41:55 <Forsythe> roflmao
May 05 15:41:57 <Echo> its gonna be hilarious
May 05 15:42:11 * Ellri continues the regression so it becomes a X-301
May 05 15:42:24 <Forsythe> that's gonna be rather crammed¨
May 05 15:42:25 <Sep> Oh yes Ellri, that is going to be fun for everyone to fit in
May 05 15:42:27 <Ellri> a really, really full x-301
May 05 15:42:28 <Sep> plus the asgard core
May 05 15:42:31 <Sep> plus the stargate
May 05 15:42:35 <Echo> thats gonna make things... intimate
May 05 15:42:40 <Ellri> yup.
May 05 15:42:40 <Forsythe> OH I SEE
May 05 15:42:51 <Forsythe> IF YOU PUT EVERYONE IN THE VOLUME OF 301
May 05 15:42:59 <Forsythe> IT COLLAPSES INTO SINGULARITY
May 05 15:43:06 <Forsythe> ELLRI YOU AND YOUR GRAVITY ENERGY FETISH
May 05 15:43:10 <Ellri> and that eats the repli-ori fleet
May 05 15:43:12 <Echo> Ellri
May 05 15:43:15 <Echo> Well played
May 05 15:43:20 <Echo> well played good sir
May 05 15:43:21 * Ellri grins
May 05 15:43:32 <Sep> CathRiadLawZakBlaYvlKatLliam'c
May 05 15:43:35 <Sep> Or something
May 05 15:43:36 <Sep> I don't know
May 05 15:43:39 <Sep> I gave up.
May 05 15:43:48 <Papi> I'll have to read the IC too
May 05 15:44:01 <Sep> Well, as your char will be arriving after the current IC events
May 05 15:44:02 <Echo> probably a good idea
May 05 15:44:04 <Sep> you don't have to.
May 05 15:44:11 <Sep> Unless you want your char to have arrived with launch
May 05 15:44:12 <Papi> jaja
May 05 15:44:13 <Echo> oh
May 05 15:44:29 <Echo> I know what we should do for late arrivals to c atch up
May 05 15:44:33 <Echo> make brief mission reports
May 05 15:44:33 <Papi> I like how you both said opposite things
May 05 15:44:33 <Sep> TBH it is only four pages.
May 05 15:44:41 <Sep> Point.
May 05 15:44:51 <Sep> We're quite different people, which is why we're good gms
May 05 15:44:56 <Sep> As if I don't think of it he will
May 05 15:44:58 <Sep> and vice versa.
May 05 15:45:04 <Papi> Yeah that's good
May 05 15:45:07 <Sep> We also disagree on some plot thingies and find a good middle ground.
May 05 15:45:27 <Sep> Oh yeah Echo you read Fallens plot fully yet?
May 05 15:45:34 <Echo> ya
May 05 15:45:34 <Sep> As I've been over it in Detail just wondering if you have any notes.
May 05 15:45:37 <Echo> 'tis much fun
May 05 15:45:46 <Echo> not really
May 05 15:45:46 <Sep> Ellri is going to hate Fallen
May 05 15:45:46 <Sep> :P
May 05 15:45:52 <Echo> you guys covered most everything
May 05 15:45:55 <Echo> yes
May 05 15:45:57 <Echo> he is
May 05 15:46:08 <Sep> Especially being one of the people to deal with the problem
May 05 15:46:11 <Forsythe> does fallen get to bust Vanja before I do? XD
May 05 15:46:22 <Echo> naw
May 05 15:46:26 <Echo> not entirely
May 05 15:46:27 <Sep> Naw.
May 05 15:46:32 <Echo> not really
May 05 15:46:34 <Sep> Well, depends who Ellri deals with it
May 05 15:46:39 <Sep> how*
May 05 15:46:40 <Sep> not who.
May 05 15:46:40 <Forsythe> so there's only gonna be a viral outbrak on a ship? Great
May 05 15:46:43 <Sep> Ellri is the ellri
May 05 15:46:49 <Sep> No
May 05 15:46:52 <Echo> Forsythe
May 05 15:46:52 <Echo> xD
May 05 15:46:53 <Sep> We're not saying that.
May 05 15:47:01 <Echo> all I'm saying is XD
May 05 15:47:09 <Sep> Maybe there is an invasion and Ellri gases them
May 05 15:47:10 <Forsythe> W/e
May 05 15:47:15 <Sep> maybe the life support fails and gases us
May 05 15:47:33 <Sep> IT COULD BE ANYTHING
May 05 15:47:36 <Forsythe> I'll jsut order the ship flown into a star rather than wait for everyone's organs to liquify
May 05 15:47:38 <Papi> Wouldn't it take some time for that to happen?
May 05 15:47:39 <Echo> you just want to catch vanja at the oktoberfest
May 05 15:47:44 <Echo> by trying to get everyone drunk
May 05 15:47:48 <Echo> :p
May 05 15:48:02 <Sep> Maybe Vanjas father comes to visit for sunday roast?
May 05 15:48:16 <Echo> that doesn't even - what?
May 05 15:48:28 <Ellri> ylva's father, Sep
May 05 15:48:32 <Papi> I do like a good roast pig
May 05 15:48:35 <Ellri> Vanja's father is probably dead
May 05 15:48:43 <Sep> God damnit
May 05 15:48:46 <Sep> YVLAS FATHER THEN
May 05 15:48:51 <Echo> Pretty sure Egeria ain't gonna show up from the dead for a random barbecue
May 05 15:48:53 <Ellri> Ylva's father probably got the clearance to visit the ship
May 05 15:48:59 <Papi> I was more concerned with the roast pig....
May 05 15:49:05 <Sep> Plot twist, Yvlas dad and Vanjas dad are the same.
May 05 15:49:29 <Papi> written by M.Knight.Shamashitforbrains
May 05 15:49:32 <Sep> Does that make the symbiote pairing... incest?
May 05 15:49:32 <Ellri> unless someone has been careless with the time machine, implausible
May 05 15:49:35 <Forsythe> the man is quite well perserved for hsi age xD
May 05 15:49:49 <Sep> or does it make it siamese twins?
May 05 15:50:00 <Ellri> he could always have ascended sometime.
May 05 15:50:12 * Echo washes his hands of this weirdness
May 05 15:50:30 * Ellri stick Echo's hands back into the dirt of it
May 05 15:50:32 <Sep> Maybe Apophis Ariadnes dad turns up.
May 05 15:50:39 <Sep> Cause its Apophis, and he always comes back.
May 05 15:50:39 <Echo> nuuuuu
May 05 15:51:02 <Echo> because flying into a planet at near lightspeed was totally not lethal
May 05 15:51:14 <Echo> and symbiotes totally have dads
May 05 15:51:18 <Sep> Meh, I've survived worse.
May 05 15:51:28 <Echo> well
May 05 15:51:29 <Papi> Actually it's theoretically possible to survive that
May 05 15:51:30 <Echo> technically
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May 05 15:51:42 <Echo> if you go by Hathor's um 'explanation
May 05 15:51:44 <Sep> ESCAPE PODS
May 05 15:51:45 <Echo> '
May 05 15:51:54 <Sep> Yup, Genetic material.
May 05 15:52:05 <Sep> See, the way Ellri speaks
May 05 15:52:08 <Sep> I think Ellri is hathor.
May 05 15:52:14 <Echo> Daniel is the dad of a whole brood of liquefied symbiotes
May 05 15:52:26 <Sep> Bet he was proud of that.
May 05 15:52:56 <Echo> hey Ellri
May 05 15:53:02 <Ellri> what?
May 05 15:53:04 <Echo> are you recording this chat?
May 05 15:53:07 <Sep> You mean, Hey Hathor?
May 05 15:53:12 <Ellri> logging is active, yes
May 05 15:53:21 <Sep> God damnit
May 05 15:53:27 <Forsythe> oh god
May 05 15:53:35 <Echo> xD
May 05 15:53:39 * bigscreech has quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
May 05 15:53:40 <Sep> So Forsythe. Uh.
May 05 15:53:43 <Sep> How about that weather?
May 05 15:53:47 <Echo> did you know Ellri used to post chat logs on the ooc?
May 05 15:53:59 <Papi> It's already on record sep
May 05 15:54:06 <Sep> Lies.
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May 05 15:54:36 <Papi> It's true
May 05 15:54:53 <Papi> and now the NSA has proof of all the crazy things you said
May 05 15:54:55 <Sep> Be nice Papi, or rather than me and Echo reading your Cs I will give it to Ellri
May 05 15:55:12 <Sep> or rather FEED it to Ellri
May 05 15:55:25 <Forsythe> ellri will tear it apart reaardless of whether they have been given it xd
May 05 15:55:42 <Papi> That sounds like you're trying to intimidate me by asserting your authority as GM
May 05 15:55:43 <Forsythe> surprised i didn't hear a single word. Am I jsut that good? :P¨
May 05 15:55:52 <Sep> MAYBE I AM
May 05 15:56:15 <Sep> TBH I threaten peoples chars all the time :P
May 05 15:56:18 <Sep> I never follow through
May 05 15:56:25 <Papi> When in fact my participation is completely voluntary and I am under no real obligation to adhere to your demands
May 05 15:56:26 <Forsythe> Also ellri if you also log PMs, don'T fuckign look, or I am not responsible for the scars on yur soul xD¨
May 05 15:56:34 <Sep> Unless you legitimately do something wrong.
May 05 15:56:54 <Echo> lol, pms aren't logged
May 05 15:57:00 <Echo> unless they are pmed to ellri
May 05 15:57:08 <Forsythe> pheeew
May 05 15:57:22 <Papi> sep is threatening me through Pms guys
May 05 15:57:24 <Sep> OH
May 05 15:57:24 <Sep> oh
May 05 15:57:29 <Sep> I am not.
May 05 15:57:29 <Papi> he's totally being a bully
May 05 15:57:33 <Sep> You lier.
May 05 15:57:35 <Sep> Liar*
May 05 15:57:35 <Papi> for reals
May 05 15:57:37 <Echo> don't worry papi
May 05 15:57:39 <Echo> I am a god
May 05 15:57:39 <Sep> I am not :O
May 05 15:57:44 <Sep> Echo, shudup.
May 05 15:57:45 <Echo> I am all knowing
May 05 15:57:48 <Forsythe> i do not believe. Sep enjoys bullying in public
May 05 15:57:49 <Sep> I'll actually bully you.

Hai Sep. *grin*


This is the rough layout of the Langford labs.
Top three (gray) are Biology, Physics & Chemistry
The purple ones are (respectively) Bio-hazard & Shielded labs

All the funny teal rooms are storage, quarters, whatever.
Red are doors of some sort.
Pale green = airlock/decontamination/etc
Dark blue is the central room of the labs.
Grass green is the corridor.

Any questions?