[OOC] World in Revolution: 1861

[The Nexerus]

Ampharos said
I doubt Outcast is going to make them turn against me because you decided to lure me into a war because of a document I didn't know about.

You clearly referenced the German Confederation in multiple in character posts. You can't claim ignorance of it. Besides, you were trying to get the German states onto YOUR side in your most recent IC post! Now you're whining that it's unfair for them to be involved on Prussia's side?

[salamimike]

Ampharos said
I doubt Outcast is going to make them turn against me because you decided to lure me into a war because of a document I didn't know about. Again, that's just really poor sportsmanship on your part.

In his defence he is at least attempting to make amends.

[So Boerd]

Ampharos said
I doubt Outcast is going to make them turn against me because you decided to lure me into a war because of a document I didn't know about. Again, that's just really poor sportsmanship on your part.

How was I supposed to know

1. You didn't know. You never stopped talking about your role as President of GC. If you researched what that meant, you would have known about the constitution.
2. You weren't going to use it on me if I invaded?

And besides, I told you numerous times the GC demanded you defend members.

[Ampharos]

The Nexerus said
You clearly referenced the German Confederation in multiple in character posts. You can't claimed ignorance of it. Besides, you were trying to get the German states onto YOUR side in your most recent IC post! Now you're whining that it's unfair for them to be involved on Prussia's side?

I know I'm allied with several German states. I know the German Confederation exists. I can claim ignorance to not having read the Constitution of the German Confederation, however, and I am because it's not a document I've read. I'm sure most people with a decent education can tell you that the German Confederation exists, but do you expect them to have read its constitution? No, that's just silly. This is a roleplay forum, not a history forum.

So Boerd said 1. You didn't know.

The same way most people can assume that most people haven't read the constitution of the confederation.

So Boerd said You never stopped talking about your role as President of GC.

It's on the second line of the guy's Wikipedia page.

So Boerd said If you researched what that meant, you would have known about the constitution.

I know it exists, yes, but that doesn't mean I read it.

So Boerd said 2. You weren't going to use it on me if I invaded?

Assumption on your part. I was going to call my allies, which could be reasonably understood as Bavaria and friends.

So Boerd said And besides, I told you numerous times the GC demanded you defend members.

Considering half of your IC posts to me were hostile in nature, it's fairly logical to take them with a grain of salt.

[thorgili]

Fear the Grand Russian Bear!

[The Nexerus]

Ampharos said
I know I'm allied with several German states. I know the German Confederation exists. I can claim ignorance to not having read the Constitution of the German Confederation, however, and I am because it's not a document I've read. I'm sure most people with a decent education can tell you that the German Confederation exists, but do you expect them to have read its constitution? No, that's just silly. This is a roleplay forum, not a history forum.

I think it's fair for anyone with knowledge of the German Confederation's existence to assume that there's some provision in it for war among the member-states.

But it doesn't matter: the constitution of the Confederation isn't what you're arguing about. You're arguing that it's unfair for the German states to get involved on Prussia's side. It isn't, at all, and the fact that you're arguing such a thing is massively hypocritical considering that an hour ago you were trying to do exactly the same thing.

[Ampharos]

The Nexerus said
I think it's fair for anyone with knowledge of the German Confederation's existence to assume that there's some provision in it for war among the member-states.

I'm sure anyone who has taken a college history class knows of its existence, but that doesn't mean a whole lot.

I'm under the assumption that we only need a general knowledge to participate in these games. Not all of us graduated college with degrees in history.

[So Boerd]

Considering half of your IC posts to me were hostile in nature, it's fairly logical to take them with a grain of salt.

Could have...checked them out, maybe?

[Giant]

Man, I haven't checked the thread since I was in that presentation. Probably shouldn't have checked it in class, let's see what's new...

oh fuck

[Rare]

Giant said
Man, I haven't checked the thread since I was in that presentation. Probably shouldn't have checked it in class, let's see what's new...oh fuck

You have alot of reading to do!

[The Nexerus]

Ampharos said
I'm sure anyone who has taken a college history class knows of its existence, but that doesn't mean a whole lot.I'm under the assumption that we only need a general knowledge to participate in these games. Not all of us graduated college with degrees in history.

What did you think the German Confederation was, then? A customs union? You honestly didn't believe that it had anything to do with war or the defence of the member-states? You, the person who was portraying the Emperor of the German Confederation, did not believe that the states of the German confederation had any obligation not to declare war on each other on a whim?

[Ampharos]

The Nexerus said
You're arguing that it's unfair for the German states to get involved on Prussia's side. It isn't, at all, and the fact that you're arguing such a thing is massively hypocritical considering that an hour ago you were trying to do exactly the same thing.

No I'm not. That's an assumption on your part, not mine. I was calling whatever allies I had and letting Outcast take care of the rest. It's daily logical to assume Austria has allies in the Confederation

So Boerd said
Could have...checked them out, maybe?

It's also safe to assume that nobody cares enough to learn the intricacies of 19th century politics for this game.

[The Nexerus]

Ampharos said
No I'm not. That's an assumption on your part

There's being disingenuous and then there's flatly lying.

Ampharos said To the people of the German Confederation, we call upon you to rise against the Prussian aggressors. The Kingdom of Prussia has declared war upon the Ottoman Empire, attempting to draw us in so that they may spread their tyranny across Central Europe. My brothers in Bavaria, Baden, Württemberg, and the rest of the German Confederation, rise with us and stave off the Kingdom of Prussia before it shatters the Confederation through bloodshed and violence.

[AegonVI]

Guys let's try to reign this in. Keep it civil.

[So Boerd]

It's also safe to assume that nobody cares enough to learn the intricacies of 19th century politics for this game.

That was not an intricacy. Even a cursory search to be vaguely realistic on the German Confederation would have turned up its defense provisiom.

[NarcolepticSailor]

[So Boerd]

Allow me to illustrate the path I took.

1. Wikipedia German Confederation
2. Click link that says "Constitution Adopted"
3. Click "full text of the constitution" link
4. As it is in German, google translate.

Four steps.

[Rare]

AegonVI said
Guys let's try to reign this in. Keep it civil.

Well they can duke it out on the IC...

[AegonVI]

Rare said
Well they can duke it out on the IC...

Yeah, but it's really only just a game. And I'd like to see us at least get heavier-than-air airships before this falls apart

(Which is just saying that I want it to last a long time)

[Dedonus]

Well, in OTL, during the Austro-Prussian War, most of the Confederation sided with Austria, so...



And Austria declared war in this situation, so...