What would you expect to happen if you clicked a "Delete" button next to a private convo?

[Awson]

There's really no reason to "leave" a non-group conversation, sans being PA.

You ought to have two sections, and only have "leave" enabled in the group tab if possible. And in there you can have "Leave", "Clear History", and "Leave+Clear History."

[Awson]

Seravee said
Well, the question is whether or not your contributions to the chat are removed for everyone, or just for you.I mean, my guild girlfriend could still show my irl girlfriend the messages I sent her if they're still in her inbox.If I hit "leave convo," my comments would still show up in everyone else's inbox, right? I imagine so, since that is how it normally works.Not that it really matters, because I'd just like to organize my inbox a bit. But its something to think about.

???

Am I reading this right?

Or course you can't delete someone else's inbox.

[mbl]

Awson said
???Am I reading this right?Or course you can't delete someone else's inbox.

Seemed like a reasonable confusion to me. When thinking in terms of the conversation being its own entity, not just logs in separate inboxes, it seems possible that one person deleting the conversation would mean the other would be unable to access it. It was just a simple confusion that didn't really merit a post mocking it.

[Captain Jordan]

mbl said
Seemed like a reasonable confusion to me. When thinking in terms of the conversation being its own entity, not just logs in separate inboxes, it seems possible that one person deleting the conversation would mean the other would be unable to access it. It was just a simple confusion that didn't really merit a post mocking it.

As I said in my post, I approach PMs like email. Each person has their own copy of the conversation, so whatever I do to mine shouldn't affect someone else's.

[mbl]

Captain Jordan said
As I said in my post, I approach PMs like email. Each person has their own copy of the conversation, so whatever I do to mine shouldn't affect someone else's.

Which is how they are, but it is understandable to confuse them as being their own entity that is simply being shown to both email accounts, which is what I was saying in my post.

[Awson]

mbl said
Seemed like a reasonable confusion to me. When thinking in terms of the conversation being its own entity, not just logs in separate inboxes, it seems possible that one person deleting the conversation would mean the other would be unable to access it. It was just a simple confusion that didn't really merit a post mocking it.

That wasn't my intention. It was genuine confusion along with what I thought was an acceptable response to a post that didn't have a response yet. It was a simple, admittedly brash, reply that didn't really merit a post bringing it to justice.

[Captain Jordan]

mbl said
Which is how they are, but it is understandable to confuse them as being their own entity that is simply being shown to both email accounts, which is what I was saying in my post.

Perhaps. I don't know that you'll ever settle on a simple term that can describe the proper situation and the action being taken. I think there can be an expectation of some level of self-education for newcomers.

[mbl]

Awson said
That wasn't my intention. It was genuine confusion along with what I thought was an acceptable response to a post that didn't have a response yet. It was a simple, admittedly brash, reply that didn't really merit a post bringing it to justice.

nofuqu

[Doivid]

Mahz said
Keep these issues in mind:

- Convos can involve 2+ people.
- One person shouldn't be able to end a conversation for everyone else. They can only drop out.

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## My Idea:

- There's are "Leave" and "Delete" buttons on the convo screen.

When you "Leave" a conversation:

- You get crossed off the participants list for posterity.

- The remaining participants can remain talking.
- You can't be invited back to the convo (once the invitation system is implemented)
- The convo gets moved to some sort of convo archive folder/tab. (From which you can then manually delete it)

When you "Delete" a conversation:

- It both leaves and deletes it.

The main function of delete is to keep your irl girlfriends from reading your convos with your guild girlfriends. In other words, it's only to remove the convo from your UI so that it's like the convo never happened. I don't think people should have to delete convos to "save space". It's more useful to have it on record that someone said something to you no matter what it is.

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Would that be intuitive to yall? Got a better idea?

I may be misreading, but I think if you're able to delete an entire convo (which could be 2+), then that would cause some drama with people.

Would it be possible for delete to simply remove it from your inbox, but not the other participant(s)? Or is that what 'leave' already accomplishes?

[Jorick]

Doivid said
I may be misreading, but I think if you're able to delete an entire convo (which could be 2+), then that would cause some drama with people.Would it be possible for delete to simply remove it from your inbox, but not the other participant(s)? Or is that what 'leave' already accomplishes?

You're misreading. One of the things he said to keep in mind that people shouldn't be able to destroy a convo other people are still in. Delete would just delete it from your inbox, not for the other participants.

[Doivid]

mbl said
Which is how they are, but it is understandable to confuse them as being their own entity that is simply being shown to both email accounts, which is what I was saying in my post.

Idk these PMs look a little different than just copies for each person. It looks like we're linked to a private thread only we can see--but still a thread.

If I edit one of my PMs, does my partner still have the original copy or is it edited? Depending on the answer, it might mean it's not like traditional PMs/emails.

[mbl]

Doivid said
I may be misreading, but I think if you're able to delete an entire convo (which could be 2+), then that would cause some drama with people.Would it be possible for delete to simply remove it from your inbox, but not the other participant(s)? Or is that what 'leave' already accomplishes?

Leaving removes you from the conversation, but leaves the logs of what part of the convo you were there for in your inbox.

Deleting removes you from the conversation and deletes the logs from your inbox.

[Awson]

Doivid said
Idk these PMs look a little different than just copies for each person. It looks like we're linked to a private thread only we can see--but still a thread.If I edit one of my PMs, does my partner still have the original copy or is it edited? Depending on the answer, it might mean it's not like traditional PMs/emails.

They do appear to be fully shared rn. Deleting probably would delete or everyone in its urgent state. It appears Mahz is trying to create workarounds.

Right now, they do appear to just be shared threads and deleting them WOULD remove it for both people. Mahz is trying to create artificial ways to circumvent that.

mbl said
nofuqu

I would offer to bring this to PMs but you would just delete it right from my inbox.

[Awson]

I'm on a phone and typos and I thought the first paragraph was deleted and whatever.

[Heisenberg]

Mahz said
Keep these issues in mind:

- Convos can involve 2+ people.
- One person shouldn't be able to end a conversation for everyone else. They can only drop out.

---

## My Idea:

- There's are "Leave" and "Delete" buttons on the convo screen.

When you "Leave" a conversation:

- You get crossed off the participants list for posterity.

- The remaining participants can remain talking.
- You can't be invited back to the convo (once the invitation system is implemented)
- The convo gets moved to some sort of convo archive folder/tab. (From which you can then manually delete it)

When you "Delete" a conversation:

- It both leaves and deletes it.

The main function of delete is to keep your irl girlfriends from reading your convos with your guild girlfriends. In other words, it's only to remove the convo from your UI so that it's like the convo never happened. I don't think people should have to delete convos to "save space". It's more useful to have it on record that someone said something to you no matter what it is.

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Would that be intuitive to yall? Got a better idea?

That's a pretty good idea. However, I'd still leave the option for deleting the whole chat for everyone in it. That should be controlled by the host/person who starts the chat.

[Jorick]

Heisenberg said
That's a pretty good idea. However, I'd still leave the option for deleting the whole chat for everyone in it. That should be controlled by the host/person who starts the chat.

Nah, bad idea. You shouldn't be allowed to delete someone else's stuff.

[Doivid]

Jorick said
Nah, bad idea. You shouldn't be allowed to delete someone else's stuff.

I agree, people should have control over the copies in their own inboxes.

[Awson]

Jorick said
Nah, bad idea. You shouldn't be allowed to delete someone else's stuff.

This is the answer.

I know we've all been fucktarded and wished we could yank it from history, but you shouldn't be allowed to on principle. Your best bet is still to drive to their house and smash their computer.

[Heisenberg]

On Old RPG, you could delete a conversation but the other person could still possess it. It's the same principle.

[Mahz]

This is how it's represented in the c0d3:

- Being a participant to a convo means that you have a window into a hidden topic.
- "Leaving" closes the window. All you have on file (all you see from a UI standpoint) is the latest snapshot of whatever came through that window before you closed it.
- "Deleting" closes the window and scrubs your inbox of the evidence.

If that sounds confusing, consider a most basic UI example :

- In a convo, you have "Reply" and "Leave".
- When you click "Leave", let's say the convo is moved to some Archive folder.
- Now when you open the convo in the archive, "Reply" and "Leave" are replaced with "Delete".
- You can read all the posts as you'd expect. After the last post, it says "You left on <timestamp>".
- Clicking "Delete" obviously scraps your snapshot of the convo.

Lillian Thorne said
Would we be able to leave the conversation but still have in in our inbox? I've had a few conversations that I wanted out, of but wanted to keep a record of.

Yeah exactly.

Seravee said
Well, the question is whether or not your contributions to the chat are removed for everyone, or just for you.I mean, my guild girlfriend could still show my irl girlfriend the messages I sent her if they're still in her inbox.If I hit "leave convo," my comments would still show up in everyone else's inbox, right? I imagine so, since that is how it normally works.Not that it really matters, because I'd just like to organize my inbox a bit. But its something to think about.

This raises a good point since currently you can edit any past PM for eternity since I haven't yet restricted it.

You shouldn't be able to delete PMs from the system. Perhaps it makes sense to be able to delete/edit them on some short time scale to fix typos and BB-blunders, but that's about it.

It's kinda like email -- If you could edit emails, then you're actually revising history.

The same can be said for public posts, but with more leniency since they're public-facing. Of course, there are exceptions and that just means you've gotta contact me.