Let's B!tch. I feel it's a healthy release for our roleplay annoyances 2.0

[Exit]

@Odin Always better that way. Putting anything out in public is never in good taste, but this is the bitch thread so not much to do except read and move on.

And to keep my comment on topic:
We've been given a number of interesting races to choose from... why is everyone a human except for me?

[Yamada Zero]

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I think some blood and a firm handshake afterwards is better than infinitely throwing shade in here without ever coming to a resolution, only coming to the conclusion that 'the other side is a retard and I'm mucho smart' but hey, what do I know. The real bother here is that people not involved with the given situation are commenting on it as though they were and are, behind the scenes, saying shit that I find to be pretty damn disrespectful - if you said them to their face, that'd earn so much more respect, but here we are.

@Odin

Am I one of those people? I mean, I'm not involved. :D

[Dion]

@Prawn If the shoe fits my dude.

[Yamada Zero]

@Prawn If the shoe fits my dude.

@Odin

Doesn't fit me. I tried though! D:

Humour aside, I've not really said anything about anything. I hear things, I see things but I don't know enough to warrant an opinion on such matters. It's all a bit trivial to me.

[DeadDrop]

People who join as a grouo and coordinate as a grouo oocly.
Like 3 friends, duuuuumb!

[BrokenPromise]

To be fair, almost all of what I write to the bitching thread happened a looooong time ago. So you'll be disappointed if you go to my profile page trying to figure out who I'm talking about.

Also, not everyone can be so easily approached. Which could be another bitch all on it's own. There are some people who just aren't worth arguing with because you know that handshake will never come. but I think most grievances that get posted in here aren't that unbearable and are possibly inflated a bit to make them look more amusing.

[Didgeridont]

<Snipped quote by Fabricant451>

I think some blood and a firm handshake afterwards is better than infinitely throwing shade in here without ever coming to a resolution, only coming to the conclusion that 'the other side is a retard and I'm mucho smart' but hey, what do I know. The real bother here is that people not involved with the given situation are commenting on it as though they were and are, behind the scenes, saying shit that I find to be pretty damn disrespectful - if you said them to their face, that'd earn so much more respect, but here we are.

@Odin

its just more funny to throw shade, lol

[Dervish]

And to keep my comment on topic:
We've been given a number of interesting races to choose from... why is everyone a human except for me?

@Exit

Surprisingly, in a lot of sci-fi and fantasy RPs I do, humans end of the minority.

I think for a lot of original games, you get the issue where humans are easier to understand and portray than an alien or whatever that the GM created and only have a few paragraphs (I assume is average) to work off of. People just don't want to step on toes or get it wrong.

[Dion]

@BrokenPromise from what I have seen the people involved are especially approachable and I know from my own experience that one in particular is approachable beyond reproach. So, really, that's not the case here, which makes things even worse, but beyond that I disagree with you entirely based on the premise that at the very least an attempt could be made. Avoidance of conflict or confrontation is not just cowardly, it's also dishonest and unfair to the other side, which in this case was entirely unwarranted. RP's fail all the time, this one is/was no difference (if it dies). So, why is this one worth bitching about in mass quantities and the others not?

And even more importantly, the fact that they are throwing shade in a thread that people might not look at (though in this case, someone did, though afaik not a GM) without approaching them just fuels the entire argument without really offering even the slimmer of a chance of dialogue. So, do we really want to be tough big adults and be mature about this or are we content being a little spoiled child?

[mickilennial]

To be fair, almost all of what I write to the bitching thread happened a looooong time ago. So you'll be disappointed if you go to my profile page trying to figure out who I'm talking about.

Also, not everyone can be so easily approached. Which could be another bitch all on it's own. There are some people who just aren't worth arguing with because you know that handshake will never come. but I think most grievances that get posted in here aren't that unbearable and are possibly inflated a bit to make them look more amusing.

@BrokenPromise

Pretty much. There’s also the idea that while unorthodox, sometimes being vague is all it takes for some people to shut up and stop being cowards; to force people to confront their problems whether they are GMs or Players. If people are discontent yet refuse to communicate their problems it just creates a festering secret circle that’ll eventually balloon. Sometimes it is better to pop the balloon early. I fully admit I’m an overzealous, self-righteous asshole but situations are often more complicated than it may seem and I’ve always gone by the perspective that being blunt and to the point is the best way to go about things. Sometimes a little vague shade is all it takes for confrontation to happen, organically and genuinely.

[Dion]

ironic

[mickilennial]

ironic

@Odin

It probably is. I never denied that I can be hypocritical at times.

[Didgeridont]

lol u guys are overthinking things xD

[Dion]

@Inkarnate yeah you are but that is besides the point. No matter how much of a crooked self serving justification for throwing shade you come up with, it will always remain cowardly.

I mean really. “Organic confrontation,” just how many layers of BS are we on currently? You either confront and discuss or you act like a whiny baby and throw shade in a thread. Bonus points if you weren’t even involved like happened just a day ago.

What the fuck even is an organic confrontation. What is different here:

I don’t throw shade and confront you.
I throw shade and “organically” you confront me.

The difference is the 2nd option probably already made the other person buttmad because of shade being thrown. What a crooked argument.

[KoL]

I think it comes to a simple decision.

Do you really want to go out of your way to confront some random internet dude and earn nothing from that, or do you prefer to vent off a bit to people that may or may not want to listen to you but are all gathered in a literal "shout your grievances here" room and then follow your routine as normal?

It takes some effort to learn, but burning bridges (or taking the chance for that to happen) hardly is the best way to tackle disagreements.

[mickilennial]

@Odin

Being involved and being directly involved are two different things. Being not involved in the slightest would imply a lack of all involvement, information, and connection. I was involved the moment I was dragged into the situation. I think you misunderstand what I mean by confrontation; that or you and I have two different definitions of confrontation. Merriam-Webster describes it as “to face especially in challenge” and Cambridge describes it as “to deal with a difficult problem, situation, or person” – both of these definitions describe the situation.

What I mean about the situation is simple and not convoluted or complicated.

In a case of this situation, I commented with a general state and two replies to force two parties to directly confront issue. Did I on a moral (see: self-righteous asshole) level have issues with it? Sure. But I did cause a genuine confrontation to happen that was festering for weeks.

An indirect and direct confrontation may be different, but both can cause uncomfortable feelings to be unearthed. Both are still objectively confrontations. You obviously think direct confrontation is better and I don’t entirely disagree, but in this situation I felt an indirect one was better for all parties involved. What is done is done, I can’t lament over what would happen if I had confronted it directly instead. I can explain myself, however. You don’t have to agree with it. Hell, I do not expect you to.

[Didgeridont]

Being involved and being directly involved are two different things. Being not involved in the slightest would imply a lack of all involvement, information, and connection. I was involved the moment I was dragged into the situation . . . Being involved and being directly involved are two different things. Being not involved in the slightest would imply a lack of all involvement, information, and connection. I was involved the moment I was dragged into the situation. I think you misunderstand what I mean by confrontation; that or you and I have two different definitions of confrontation. Merriam-Webster describes it as “to face especially in challenge” and Cambridge describes it as “to deal with a difficult problem, situation, or person” – both of these definitions describe the situation.

. . .

An indirect and direct confrontation may be different, but both can cause uncomfortable feelings to be unearthed. Both are still objectively confrontations. You obviously think direct confrontation is better and I don’t entirely disagree, but in this situation I felt an indirect one was better for all parties involved. What is done is done, I can’t lament over what would happen if I had confronted it directly instead.

@Inkarnate

dude it's the internet not the palace of versailles there's no need for all this pseudo-intrigue

lel

[mickilennial]

ok then

[Dion]

I think it comes to a simple decision.

Do you really want to go out of your way to confront some random internet dude and earn nothing from that, or do you prefer to vent off a bit to people that may or may not want to listen to you but are all gathered in a literal "shout your grievances here" room and then follow your routine as normal?

It takes some effort to learn, but burning bridges (or taking the chance for that to happen) hardly is the best way to tackle disagreements.

@KoL

Because obviously nobody knew what this was about and it was just venting by someone who wasn’t in this RP to begin with and thus had nothing to do witj it? Oh. Thanks for enlightening me. 🤔 You say you’d earn nothing but if people had communicated something could’ve been earned - a better outcome than the one we’ve seen in this case, personal betterment, etc.

I take it you’re of the opinion that (butt)hurt feelings are a better outcome since you prefer petty shade that is too obviously aimed at a specific RP and specific group of GM’s over a good conversation to talk things out - solely because petty shade = better output than confrontation.

Nice.

@Inkarnate yeah man worked so well that approach lmao xD. The fact that it caused people not involved in the OOC and IC of that RP to not only take note but get involved by posting shit in this thread definitely speaks in a) your favour and b) magic “ORGANIC” confrontation.

By that definition anything can be a confrontation because not doing anything is “dealing with” too. You know better than that. Again, crooked argument.

Beyond that you seem to be operating under the assumption I was talking about you when I was speaking (quite clearly imho) about @Raddums most recent posts in the bitch thread. If that is so then I’m sorry but I really don’t even know what you did. But hey, if the shoe fits dude.

You’re talking utter nonsense in terms of talking about confrontation if you are going to have the “definition of the word” as your leading argument. Nothing beyond that then makes sense anymore.

Either way, take a look at what you’ve caused and “ORGANICALLY” confront the other side of the party and have a good chat with them. I’m sure you’ll continue to believe that this was definitely a positive move (you ARE taking responsibility for causing this “organic” confrontation, I can infer from your post) dude. Good job lmao.

[mickilennial]

@Odin

The people who were not involved is not my concern nor do I really care they have an opinion on it in the first place. It is more important the players and GMs in question finally aired grievances and stopped pussyfooting around. And yes, I take responsibility for the other parties involved in having a heated, but healthy discussion, but I never denied I shared guilt in this fact. You’ve already made your own deliberation and conclusions, I’m not convincing you of shit. So I’m pretty sure this conversation is concluded unless any other actually involved parties have any two cents. Have a nice evening, or whatever.