[OOC] Return to the Multiverse

[Rockin Strings]

Of course. Why wouldn't we plan on bringing in antagonists? Also, since that stupid thread title's really irritating me I'll start a new, properly titled thread after Hyrule is done. And since this is proving to still have its usual staying power I'll also likely put up an antagonist thread after we finish the second world, just to make sure I'm not jinxing it.

Kalamadea

Does that mean I can bring Alduin in again?

RokkuHoshi

What, you don't want to play Kagekiyo anymore? Or are you doing the same thing I'm doing? -_-

Belwicket

The way I last played him, he needs Lyra or I'd have to completely restart him.

[JonxlatheLion]

*cough cough* check out my new CS *cough cough* This one you should like better

JonxlatheLion

Well since you're opening the floor like that. The moderate marksman thing is arguable, depending on the player Gordon Freeman can perform absolutely ridiculous, impossible shots, doing things like engaging in long distance sniping duels with a pistol that isn't built for precision shooting and whatnot. The high intellect and PHD might be a thing on paper so hey, technically not wrong, but let's not kid ourselves, Gordon is an errand boy. He carts shit around, he pushes buttons, he plugs stuff in and turns valves, he doesn't do science, he does basic puzzles and serves as muscle for the actual scientists. The crowbar thing's fine. Gordon Freeman can indeed age and he's not perpetually protected from death. He doesn't age between games because, you know, he's been stuck in a timeless limbo since destroying the Nihilanth. He can also die and fail, it's just that to actually see the end of the game you must keep trying, but Gordon can indeed die. The G-Man might stack the deck in his favor on occasion, but things imply that yes, Gordon did the shit he did on his own and had he failed the G-Man would've likely found another subject. Being unable to decide what happens to him, fair enough. The weapons are okay, missing out on some fun stuff but I'm sure they'll come with upgrades. Of course we could start arguing about whether actually bringing in Gordon himself is a good idea given his status as a non-character with zero given dialogue and personality whose everything, far and away, is ultimately determined by the player in a range most games that tout player choice cannot match. Even the iconic Doomguy had a given personality and mindset in his game's manual, while Gordon Freeman's everything is the player behind the screen. And while this might allow you to technically play something canon as you like, if you're going to self-insert that hard I feel as though making a Half Life fan who got sucked in and got Half Life related powers would be a better idea. Can't say the same thing about Samus because she's been given a manner of personality and sense of self, however slight.

Zero Hex

Which means in the multiverse he does not age. The destruction of the Nihilanth did not put him into a timeless limbo, it put him into a state of unaging. Plus, he does have a personality that i'm going to put into his CS, just because it was not made note of in the games doesn't mean it's not there. I can write him a personality based on his history (WHICH THEY DID WRITE DOWN) Plus, this is not gordon freeman from the games, this is gordon freeman from the half life universe. Meaning, all the lore applies and the lore is that G-Man is stacking the fates to gordon's favor because gordon is the most able human he can find in that universe. After becoming unaging, he's even more valuable to G-Man. I'm not saying G-Man held his hand, i'm saying he made sure that Gordon fulfilled his future by tweaking what happens here and there (even reversing time when gordon freeman happened to die) Personality: (This should, ideally, be your real life personality, though we have had instances where the character partially, or completely, takes over, whether instantly or over time. Sometimes the character and the player mixed, and the player took over after a while. And, sometimes, the personalities split apart and become separate. However, personality is also entirely optional and we could always find out in play.) This means that you CAN put your personality into the character, and it is actually preferred to!

[Kalamadea]

I wasn't thinking straight when I mentioned that whole boss thing (exhaustion, as mentioned before). I'll come up with something for Rawk now that I've actually slept. Anything you'd like to see in particular, Rawk?

[Zero Hex]

Which means in the multiverse he does not age. The destruction of the Nihilanth did not put him into a timeless limbo, it put him into a state of unaging. Plus, he does have a personality that i'm going to put into his CS, just because it was not made note of in the games doesn't mean it's not there. I can write him a personality based on his history (WHICH THEY DID WRITE DOWN) Plus, this is not gordon freeman from the games, this is gordon freeman from the half life universe. Meaning, all the lore applies and the lore is that G-Man is stacking the fates to gordon's favor because gordon is the most able human he can find in that universe. After becoming unaging, he's even more valuable to G-Man. I'm not saying G-Man held his hand, i'm saying he made sure that Gordon fulfilled his future by tweaking what happens here and there (even reversing time when gordon freeman happened to die) Personality: (This should, ideally, be your real life personality, though we have had instances where the character partially, or completely, takes over, whether instantly or over time. Sometimes the character and the player mixed, and the player took over after a while. And, sometimes, the personalities split apart and become separate. However, personality is also entirely optional and we could always find out in play.) This means that you CAN put your personality into the character, and it is actually preferred to!

JonxlatheLion

I'm not sure how you're getting "oh he doesn't age" from "was shunted into stasis until the next game came out". Like, all you're saying is "well he doesn't age in multiverse". Freeman might have a given backstory and some NPC reactions to his supposed interactions, but Valve has been very specific that it's the player's experience that determines Freeman's, well, everything. Freeman is just the player, he's an avatar used by the players to enter the world and Valve has made sure that the player and Gordon are interchangeable, their experiences are one and the same. It's why Gordon has no real personality nor a single line attributed to him. As for the lore, it can be taken differently as I expressed in my previous post. It could very well be the G-Man just keeping an interest in Gordon, he might even lend a helping hand here and there, but he still won't overly tip the scales, such as when you trigger the Evaluation Terminated game over screen in the original game by "failing to effectively utilize human assets in pursuit of goal". This shows that the G-Man would abandon Gordon if he were to fuck up, and won't do things such as alter reality so he doesn't ever die. In fact, dying in order to refuse the G-Man's employment was very much a choice. It's canon that he didn't, but it was still an option. As for the personality aspect, yes, I'm well aware that the roleplay actively caters to self insertion. Doesn't mean it's a good thing. But, I suppose I might as well congratulate you? I mean, you found a way to jump in with a canon "character" who's literally a blank with a bucket of weapons, allowing you to play them as you will since they're just a non-character, entirely a player-surrogate. Why you would go to these lengths to play something canon when your choice is devoid of all meaning beyond the particular weaponset instead of making your own FPS reference character I may never know. Doesn't mean I can't or won't discuss aspects I feel you're mis-representing, however.

[rawkhawk64]

Not really, but something from LoZ canon would make my day (I'm a big fanboy of the series. It's my favorite series of all-time, ever.)

[JonxlatheLion]

Which means in the multiverse he does not age. The destruction of the Nihilanth did not put him into a timeless limbo, it put him into a state of unaging. Plus, he does have a personality that i'm going to put into his CS, just because it was not made note of in the games doesn't mean it's not there. I can write him a personality based on his history (WHICH THEY DID WRITE DOWN) Plus, this is not gordon freeman from the games, this is gordon freeman from the half life universe. Meaning, all the lore applies and the lore is that G-Man is stacking the fates to gordon's favor because gordon is the most able human he can find in that universe. After becoming unaging, he's even more valuable to G-Man. I'm not saying G-Man held his hand, i'm saying he made sure that Gordon fulfilled his future by tweaking what happens here and there (even reversing time when gordon freeman happened to die) Personality: (This should, ideally, be your real life personality, though we have had instances where the character partially, or completely, takes over, whether instantly or over time. Sometimes the character and the player mixed, and the player took over after a while. And, sometimes, the personalities split apart and become separate. However, personality is also entirely optional and we could always find out in play.) This means that you CAN put your personality into the character, and it is actually preferred to!

JonxlatheLion

I'm not sure how you're getting "oh he doesn't age" from "was shunted into stasis until the next game came out". Like, all you're saying is "well he doesn't age in multiverse". Freeman might have a given backstory and some NPC reactions to his supposed interactions, but Valve has been very specific that it's the player's experience that determines Freeman's, well, everything. Freeman is just the player, he's an avatar used by the players to enter the world and Valve has made sure that the player and Gordon are interchangeable, their experiences are one and the same. It's why Gordon has no real personality nor a single line attributed to him. As for the lore, it can be taken differently as I expressed in my previous post. It could very well be the G-Man just keeping an interest in Gordon, he might even lend a helping hand here and there, but he still won't overly tip the scales, such as when you trigger the Evaluation Terminated game over screen in the original game by "failing to effectively utilize human assets in pursuit of goal". This shows that the G-Man would abandon Gordon if he were to fuck up, and won't do things such as alter reality so he doesn't ever die. In fact, dying in order to refuse the G-Man's employment was very much a choice. It's canon that he didn't, but it was still an option. As for the personality aspect, yes, I'm well aware that the roleplay actively caters to self insertion. Doesn't mean it's a good thing. But, I suppose I might as well congratulate you? I mean, you found a way to jump in with a canon "character" who's literally a blank with a bucket of weapons, allowing you to play them as you will since they're just a non-character, entirely a player-surrogate. Why you would go to these lengths to play something canon when your choice is devoid of all meaning beyond the particular weaponset instead of making your own FPS reference character I may never know. Doesn't mean I can't or won't discuss aspects I feel you're mis-representing, however.

Zero Hex

... I don't have to set him to the limits he had in the game. Things change when you enter the multiverse, for the player and the character. But, if you really want me to create an OC, i'll bring back a multiverse native.

[Kalamadea]

Look, could we go ahead and get everyone's opinions on the new character? I'd like to make a call on this character, you know. All right, Rawk. Time to do some timey wimey BS of a sort.

[rawkhawk64]

Oh, joy. [[Wild Mass Guess]] Rawk fights King Dodongo, except beefed up. [[/Wild Mass Guess]] Also, I don't know much about Bleach, so I guess I'm okay with it?

[SgtEasy]

This looks bloody awesome! Is there anymore free space?

[Zero Hex]

I don't have to set him to the limits he had in the game. Things change when you enter the multiverse, for the player and the character. But, if you really want me to create an OC, i'll bring back a multiverse native.

JonxlatheLion

You don't have to set him to the limits he had in the game but if you're going to disregard or modify aspects of a canon thing to your leisure then I can't see why you'd actually want to play the character beyond name value and possibly sone level of laziness since it lets you coypaste most stuff without having to think about it. I'd love to see OCs, you say you like to write, you have several stories in development n shit, practicing on creating original characters is good stuff. Even creating obvious ripoffs or fanfiction characters would be better than taking a canon character then just kind of tweaking it at will, because then there's no real point in playing the canon character. Honestly I'd be thrilled if you actually made a new character rather than bring back something you've already done for a previous iteration of the game, but do keep in mind I'm not actively forcing you to do, well, anything. You could still use Ghost Rider or this Freeman or whatever as far as I'm concerned. I'm not the GM, I don't have any kind of authority and no real expectations of people doing what I say, but I can still sit here and discuss things when I feel like it or I'm prompted to and express my own opinions as to how things could be done better or how I disagree with this or that. That you and others take this with vitriol and just throw your arms up, scrap things entirely and threaten to leave instead of having a discussion and presenting arguments is kinda worrisome, at least it is to me.

Look, could we go ahead and get everyone's opinions on the new character? I'd like to make a call on this character, you know.

Kalamadea

Few questions. What exactly does the resurrección release, which I'm guessing is the bone armor on the left arm, do? Since the fullbring armor is already, you know, armor and has the detailed abilities and resurrección always comes with some form of powerup. I assume the fullbring armor is also the skeletal-looking armor described in character appearance? I suppose he has no bankai yet? Also, and this is not really criticism but just an observation, I have to laugh at being able to perform 3 techniques that all amount to DBZ teleport with no real differences between eachother.

[[Wild Mass Guess]] Rawk fights King Dodongo, except beefed up. [[/Wild Mass Guess]]

rawkhawk64

Funny, wasn't that one of the suggestions I threw around for ways to engage others in fights of their own?

[JonxlatheLion]

I don't have to set him to the limits he had in the game. Things change when you enter the multiverse, for the player and the character. But, if you really want me to create an OC, i'll bring back a multiverse native.

JonxlatheLion

You don't have to set him to the limits he had in the game but if you're going to disregard or modify aspects of a canon thing to your leisure then I can't see why you'd actually want to play the character beyond name value and possibly sone level of laziness since it lets you coypaste most stuff without having to think about it. I'd love to see OCs, you say you like to write, you have several stories in development n shit, practicing on creating original characters is good stuff. Even creating obvious ripoffs or fanfiction characters would be better than taking a canon character then just kind of tweaking it at will, because then there's no real point in playing the canon character. Honestly I'd be thrilled if you actually made a new character rather than bring back something you've already done for a previous iteration of the game, but do keep in mind I'm not actively forcing you to do, well, anything. You could still use Ghost Rider or this Freeman or whatever as far as I'm concerned. I'm not the GM, I don't have any kind of authority and no real expectations of people doing what I say, but I can still sit here and discuss things when I feel like it or I'm prompted to and express my own opinions as to how things could be done better or how I disagree with this or that. That you and others take this with vitriol and just throw your arms up, scrap things entirely and threaten to leave instead of having a discussion and presenting arguments is kinda worrisome, at least it is to me.

Zero Hex

It worries you that i consider the thoughts of my fellow roleplayers and do not wish to tread on them by creating a character that they disagree with?

[Kalamadea]

Yeah, it's open, Sgt. I meant Gordon Freeman, but I can use some initial thoughts on the Bleach guy before he gets the personality section straightened out.

[rawkhawk64]

Well, I've not played much of the Half-Life games, so I dunno?

[SgtEasy]

Yeah, it's open, Sgt. I meant Gordon Freeman, but I can use some initial thoughts on the Bleach guy before he gets the personality section straightened out.

Kalamadea

Gah crap, I got my hands full. Four rp's may be pushing it. I'll see if. I can join.

[grandsword]

finally got a post in. and i figured i'll stick with alpha and omega for now, and just make some later for the antags. *waits for the backlash on whatever i just did or said wrong, as has become usual...*

[Zero Hex]

It worries you that i consider the thoughts of my fellow roleplayers and do not wish to tread on them by creating a character that they disagree with?

JonxlatheLion

It worries me that the natural reaction to discussion, in an environment that gives you time to sit down and think out your replies, is to consider it a direct attack on your person, get pissy, threaten to storm off and generally fail to defend your point of view by providing arguments and counterpoints to those presented by others. This isn't just you, mind. Also the general wavering and inability to stick to one's guns, such as talking about seniority in the roleplay then dropping it in a huff, talking about how it's time it died when people continue to discuss things, or saying "I'mma do this because it's not against the rules" then giving in because people present valid criticisms, that nevertheless hold little weight as far as the actual rules go, and they can't find it in themselves to refute them effectively yet are too stubborn to admit that maybe they were wrong. Technically Gordon Freeman's good to go. Same could be said of Ghost Rider. They're well within the rules, and you could've still used either of those, if you'd just stuck to that bit about them being fine by the rules then there was very little anyone could say to bring them down. It also would've meant that you stubbornly refused to acknowledge that perhaps your take wasn't the best despite being presented evidence to the contrary and that you were unable to argue against the criticisms offered against you, making you look like a dolt. The point of whether they should be used if they're just going to be meaningless replicas where everything that doesn't suit you just gets ignored or tweaked until you're left with something that looks like the character, but isn't really, is entirely another. I feel they shouldn't, it's why I'm pointing out what I feel are mis-representations of your take on Gordon Freeman and continually suggest just creating a character of your own instead of taking one that exists and saying you're playing that except for all those bits you dislike. Hell, Gordon solves the problem of mishandling a personality since he has none, the only real "issues" are the completely unexplained, sudden inability to age, which is completely pointless for the sake of the roleplay, and your take on G-Man interference that I feel does not match up to what actually happens in the games at all, which you seem to acknowledge because your only defense was "Well I can do things different because multiverse". Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

[JonxlatheLion]

It worries you that i consider the thoughts of my fellow roleplayers and do not wish to tread on them by creating a character that they disagree with?

JonxlatheLion

It worries me that the natural reaction to discussion, in an environment that gives you time to sit down and think out your replies, is to consider it a direct attack on your person, get pissy, threaten to storm off and generally fail to defend your point of view by providing arguments and counterpoints to those presented by others. This isn't just you, mind. Also the general wavering and inability to stick to one's guns, such as talking about seniority in the roleplay then dropping it in a huff, talking about how it's time it died when people continue to discuss things, or saying "I'mma do this because it's not against the rules" then giving in because people present valid criticisms, that nevertheless hold little weight as far as the actual rules go, and they can't find it in themselves to refute them effectively yet are too stubborn to admit that maybe they were wrong. Technically Gordon Freeman's good to go. Same could be said of Ghost Rider. They're well within the rules, and you could've still used either of those, if you'd just stuck to that bit about them being fine by the rules then there was very little anyone could say to bring them down. It also would've meant that you stubbornly refused to acknowledge that perhaps your take wasn't the best despite being presented evidence to the contrary and that you were unable to argue against the criticisms offered against you, making you look like a dolt. The point of whether they should be used if they're just going to be meaningless replicas where everything that doesn't suit you just gets ignored or tweaked until you're left with something that looks like the character, but isn't really, is entirely another. I feel they shouldn't, it's why I'm pointing out what I feel are mis-representations of your take on Gordon Freeman and continually suggest just creating a character of your own instead of taking one that exists and saying you're playing that except for all those bits you dislike. Hell, Gordon solves the problem of mishandling a personality since he has none, the only real "issues" are the completely unexplained, sudden inability to age, which is completely pointless for the sake of the roleplay, and your take on G-Man interference that I feel does not match up to what actually happens in the games at all, which you seem to acknowledge because your only defense was "Well I can do things different because multiverse". Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

Zero Hex

yes, i do. I still want maxwell back in the game though... lol. I can understand the why of making an arugment. But, without the interference he's kind of... underpowered for the multiverse. Gordon Freeman as he is in the game even at his most powerful would be slapped aside by the first mini boss we come to.

[Earnest Evans]

If a character physically cannot keep up without near-divine intervention, it's probably for the best if you scrap the character and think of something else.

[JonxlatheLion]

hm... i can see what kind of tech i can pump into his HEV to allow for better survival chance...

[Earnest Evans]

If you're thinking of armor modification, I'd suggest taking a look at the kind of armor-based powers you can get in games like EYE: Divine Cybermancy or Deus Ex. Better yet, you can play an actually powerful FPS character, like BJ Blazkowicz, Doomguy, or even an original character.