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I am working with the IC and I just really wanted to make a sheet for him. He may rear his highly groomed head in two possible scenarios1)He comes personally to give Haklo the family blade and responsibility 2)Someone of the group find themselves in Port Slaughter.Edit: Another possible scenario is a gathering of Lords and Ladies in other courts.


He could have some interaction with Wintercrest seeing as they are trying to find a way to get moe solid ground to stand on, they currently are only keeping Eania at bay with an uneasy alliance with Djarkel.
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I managed to get enough time to read the most recent posts. What is a psychomancy warden class?
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He could have some interaction with Wintercrest seeing as they are trying to find a way to get moe solid ground to stand on, they currently are only keeping Eania at bay with an uneasy alliance with Djarkel.


Possibly. We'll see. Didn't have the NPC sheed approved though
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I managed to get enough time to read the most recent posts. What is a psychomancy warden class?


That might have been a typo, but I think they meant Psychomancy Warding Class; it helps mages protect their minds from Psychomancy attack. Kind of like a mental self-defense course. Ran by Satori obviously. Classes available to all students who'd like it, though Psychomancers will obviously have this course part of their curriculum. As for Psychomancy as a whole, we're discussing it's effects. The mind is a different beast from the body, so we the GM's are discussing balancing acts.
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Will you guys release a list with the classes that will be available for our character to take while out of screen? xD
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That might have been a typo, but I think they meant Psychomancy Warding Class; it helps mages protect their minds from Psychomancy attack. Kind of like a mental self-defense course. Ran by Satori obviously. Classes available to all students who'd like it, though Psychomancers will obviously have this course part of their curriculum. As for Psychomancy as a whole, we're discussing it's effects. The mind is a different beast from the body, so we the GM's are discussing balancing acts.


Wouldn't it be completely counterproductive to restrict this class from being taught after that display? Wouldn't the students want to learn that after going through that demonstration?

And I can definitely see how psychomancy is difficult to balance. On the one hand, it has a lot of potential, but on the other, you don't want to have something that can make it completely useless (unless all bloods have something that can make them completely useless. Then it is fair). Psychomancy seems so interesting to me, and it is one of the things I am the most excited about.

Also, my internet has been fixed.
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That's what I'm thinking too, Commander. Maybe some would allow their fear or arrogance to justify not taking the course, but neither will give them strength if a Psychomancer truly wishes to do them harm. But that's just my thoughts, we're still working on the balancing act. All I can say is that Psychomancy magic can't do much physical harm, but they're one of the only magics to be able to do mental damage; rarely do other magics dabble in dealing with such things.
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I just want to force someone experience snakes slithering out of their every orifice. Is that so wrong?
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I just want to force someone experience snakes slithering out of their every orifice. Is that so wrong?


That obviously won't be Coco, as she doesn't have any orifice big enough for even the smallest snake!
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Then snakes eating her from the inside out. Snakes that are on FIRE!!!
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Lucius Cypher said
That might have been a typo, but I think they meant Psychomancy Warding Class; it helps mages protect their minds from Psychomancy attack. Kind of like a mental self-defense course. Ran by Satori obviously. Classes available to all students who'd like it, though Psychomancers will obviously have this course part of their curriculum. As for Psychomancy as a whole, we're discussing it's effects. The mind is a different beast from the body, so we the GM's are discussing balancing acts.


My electricity did go out once or twice last night so yeah it likely is, and as Lucius said, we're discussing some balancing acts. Mainly because of a nasty result I had as PC that's currently possible with this type of magic. *shudders*

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Will you guys release a list with the classes that will be available for our character to take while out of screen? xD


I think I can work with Rtron and Lucius to create one, what do you two think?

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Wouldn't it be completely counterproductive to restrict this class from being taught after that display? Wouldn't the students want to learn that after going through that demonstration? And I can definitely see how psychomancy is difficult to balance. On the one hand, it has a lot of potential, but on the other, you don't want to have something that can make it completely useless (unless all bloods have something that can make them completely useless. Then it is fair). Psychomancy seems so interesting to me, and it is one of the things I am the most excited about.Also, my internet has been fixed.


Khan wasn't going to restrict it form happening but rather have someone else teach other then Satori. No offense, Elite, after this event how many Students do you think would realistically trust the one that hurt them? It's like asking attacker to teach you how to avoid their style of fighting after they just beat you to a bloody pulp just for kicks. I know logically I won't trust them to teach me the right methods or something that's useful against it for that matter.

Psychomancy is difficult to balance which is true. It's also one of those magics which creating boundaries can be hard as not everyone's mind is the same, like in the case of physical, and there's not a simple quick fix for everyone.

As for that something that makes all bloods useless, runes are able to. However there's many flaws with Runes that prevent them from being a cure all type thing or too OP. things like damaging the rune can null or even warp the effect back on the user. If you place it within a protective barrier to prevent damage to it, then you're only able to have it perform minor magic (simple like flesh hard as metal, prevent certain magic effects, etc.) and is more limited in area which is affected. (Usually only the area of a limb or person depending on how many and the written effect.) Not to mention there's the character limit which can create loopholes in the magic itself because the effect isn't mentioned in the negation or even include one's magic if you're too general.

Example:

Say you create a rune to prevent a vitamancer from shattering and breaking your bones with a look.

The rune, if I remember right, depends on a number of word symbols which can be carved into the rune and often has a max number. For this example let's go with 4 max, which include a subject or target, action or effect and the item itself.

Going with a general description would something like this: Vitamancy (which is the affected target) Negation (which is the action) Ring (which the item and the thing the affect is attached to)

Now with this effect, you've eliminated the problem but you've also prevent healing or shape shifting part of Vitamancy from aiding your PC while they wear this ring. To alter that, you can add another word:

Vitamancy Offensive Negation Ring, this stop all offensive vitamancy. However, if your PC is a Vitamancer then you can't preform any Vitamancy magic of your own since the ring wasn't told to differentiate between the magic attacking you and your own. See what I mean?
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As long as psychomancy isn't underpowered in relation to other bloods, I'm fine with it. Ssarak has already experienced a considerable nerf from when I thought of him, but strength is more of a secondary attribute for the character anyway. The concept of misdirection and mental manipulation has always been my long-term goal.

Edit: Could students at least get an option to take the warding course from Satori? It seems like the best psychomancer in the college would be most qualified to teach it. Relating to your analogy, it might be hard to ask someone to take lessons from your attacker, but there would be no one more qualified to teach you about their techniques than themselves.
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As long as psychomancy isn't underpowered in relation to other bloods, I'm fine with it. Ssarak has already experienced a considerable nerf from when I thought of him, but strength is more of a secondary attribute for the character anyway. The concept of misdirection and mental manipulation has always been my long-term goal.


I understand that, I do but I also don't Players penalized because of their PCs. You know how hard it is to steer a PC to a certain goal, namely by yourself, when it's not logical in their PC's mind set?
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Assuming two mages with equal skill in magic and physical prowess, but different bloods, there should be no situation in which one blood is superior to the other in a one on one fight.
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Get in the head, explore memories adn intentions, read minds, implant memories.

Dudes. Psychomancy is probably the best power of the roster in the long term. Especially for leaders.

YOU CAN MAKE SLEEPER AGENTS OUT OF YOUR ENEMIES!!!
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Assuming two mages with equal skill in magic and physical prowess, but different bloods, there should be no situation in which one blood is superior to the other in a one on one fight.


True, though their is much more to magic than fighting, with all bloods. They all seem to have applications off of the battlefield.
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True, though their is much more to magic than fighting, with all bloods. They all seem to have applications off of the battlefield.


The truth is, at current psychomancy is very UNbalanced in combat unless you have a rune, which may or may not work. Though I know they're working on it.
Edit: yes, that's true, but everything should at least be balanced there.
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Get in the head, explore memories and intentions, read minds, implant memories. Dudes. Psychomancy is probably the best power of the roster in the long term. Especially for leaders. YOU CAN MAKE SLEEPER AGENTS OUT OF YOUR ENEMIES!!!


Not doing wonders for the 'Psychomancy is fair' argument.
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The truth is, at current psychomancy is very UNbalanced in combat unless you have a rune, which may or may not work. Though I know they're working on it.Not doing wonders for the 'Psychomancy is fair' argument.


Sure, there would be a limit to it. Such as time that is needed to sort through the memories, implant the memories etc etc. Nothing instantanious.

But how fair is it to be up against a Pyromancer that can melt your face with a thought? Or an Electromancer that can manipulate magnetism which is control of everything metal.

Hell, using Magnetism to become a human rail gun for Gods sake.

Nothing is fair when you take time to think about it.
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Could one get a rune that's, for example... Psychomancy, Penetration, Earring? So that whenever the person wears the earring, their psychomancy is able to penetrate mental defenses?

Or maybe Electromancy, High Voltage, Gloves in order to increase the voltage of an electromancer's zaps? :P
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The truth is, at current psychomancy is very UNbalanced in combat unless you have a rune, which may or may not work. Though I know they're working on it.


I wouldn't say so, since it is not capable of actual physical harm. I would assume that, if two masters got into a fight, the other master would be able to ward against very direct mental attacks, but illusions would get through. I think all other bloods have AoE attacks, though, and the psychomancer would have to perform a physical attack to do any real damage.
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