[OOC] Mutually Assured Destruction

[The Captain]

<Snipped quote by HeySeuss> Hey Captain, want to be a main colony? Your rolls are absolutely perfect for it, down to the tiny hereditary army, just like the Princely states.

@So Boerd

I think that might be a good idea. I was considering being a former colony ruled by an ethnic minority (settlers, I suppose) who are most certainly not the natives and who exert their will via the relatively competent military.

[So Boerd]

@Sini @So Boerd Would either one of you be acceptable with my nation being a former colony of one of yours? My current take on my NS history is that it fought a revolutionary war for freedom against their colonizers from 1929-1935 being the first successful revolution in the world in which a conquered native people kicked out the foreign power that colonized/conquered them. Depending on your nation (upon which is based on a RL nation) it will effect its name and culture etc.

@shadowkiller912

A successful colonial revolt would make it super hard for there to be public support for continued military operations in the colonies, which is the very core of my nation. Thank you, but I must decline.

[So Boerd]

<Snipped quote by So Boerd> I think that might be a good idea. I was considering being a former colony ruled by an ethnic minority (settlers, I suppose) who are most certainly not the natives and who exert their will via the relatively competent military.

@The Captain

Sure. What is our current constitutional relationship?

[LordZell]

<Snipped quote by LordZell> Population Density (Population: 8,000,000) -Sparsely Populated; Less manpower for economic and military purposes, but it also means that the social infrastructure isn't under much strain. Educational costs and civic projects tend to be cheap. Industrialization -Widespread: Strong industrialization across the nation. Domestic Technology -Modern: Modern technology means space age materials, plastic, aluminum, good quality steel and the production methods to make it an efficient process. Educational Institutions -Comprehensive Public Primary and Secondary Schools, Mixed Private/Public Universities Domestic Political Stability -Widespread Protests Common Mineral Deposits -Large deposits of iron, chromium, copper and the like. Valuable Mineral Deposits -Extensive deposits of rare earth metals, and platinum. Petroleum Wells -Vast Petroleum resources, that are easily exploitable. Fissible Material Deposits -None Military Recruitment -Conscription Based, but decentralized, more of a Militia Military Reliability -Loyal to National Leader/Law/Constitution Military Size 2d4 -Mid-sized, relative to population, some upkeep is involved. Military Technology -Rapid Modernization Military Training and Morale -Poor at fighting but good at following orders; Low Morale Military Leadership -Corrupt but Competent; Primary Officials are friends of the Leadership, other generals earned their rank at Military Academy Military Popularity -Popular Secret Services -Incompetent Secret Service; Full of double agents of other nations

@HeySeuss

Seems like it was an old colony but has turned from a revolution?

[HeySeuss]

<Snipped quote by HeySeuss> Seems like it was an old colony but has turned from a revolution?

@LordZell

If you want to work it that way. I'm pretty much leaving those sorts of decisions to you guys.

[LordZell]

<Snipped quote by LordZell> If you want to work it that way. I'm pretty much leaving those sorts of decisions to you guys.

@HeySeuss

Alright cool

[So Boerd]

Looks more like a pacifist European country than a former colony, IMHO. If you were my colony you would have never left. I can keep 8,000,000 in line.

[shadowkiller912]

<Snipped quote by shadowkiller912> A successful colonial revolt would make it super hard for there to be public support for continued military operations in the colonies, which is the very core of my nation. Thank you, but I must decline.

@So Boerd

Alright. Maybe my nation can still be a colony of your nation with the revolution failing. Though I'm still deciding on it as I'm waiting on Sini. Would you be fine with that? Maybe is does not have to be a superpower. Perhaps my nation could have been the colony of some mid rate power, if any of you guys are willing to take up my nation of being a former colony of yours. Can we also request an additional roll because when I got my roll I was like...

[LordZell]

Looks more like a pacifist European country than a former colony, IMHO. If you were my colony you would have never left. I can keep 8,000,000 in line.

@So Boerd

I only say colony because all our things are modernized much like a country would be of a powerful empire. But that broke away through a revolution because of the way the military is all broken and milita like and how most officers are friends of the leader.

[The Captain]

<Snipped quote by The Captain> Sure. What is our current constitutional relationship?

@So Boerd

I think it's all very dependent on your state's place in contemporary global events. Originally me and Senor Herp had hashed out a little plan regarding me being his colonial state (he has a plan he may or may not share regarding being an 'old world' state), but depending on the circumstances it may make more sense or being more intriguing for my state to be a colony of yours instead. So, I'd like to shelf any final decisions or commitments until I have an idea of the world timeline, but most likely, if it came down to it my state would likely have sought independence and then doubled back for some form of 'commonwealth' recognition of some sort or still be beholden to your state but still largely autonomous.

[Senor Herp]

I'll damn well share, you goit. I like t' be all transparent-like, after all. Got my plan pretty much laid out. My rolls are so borked- everything's immodern and out of whack, but the education standards are relatively modernized and the resources are depleted- that I think the most fitting role to take would be that of a presently-occupied, accused belligerent state (or the rump of it, hence the small population) and its massive pro-fascist partisan movement- ala Werwolf, if Werwolf ever got off the ground, with the 'unruly' quality being their assaults on neighboring populations moved into postwar-annexed core territories after a round of mass deportation- rather than a coherent nationstate. Loser of the last great war, most like, with the developing industry rather being a re-developing of bombed out industries while the high-technology experts are being shuffled around the allied states' labs, limited modernization being a matter of the partisans not quite having their hands on any great amount of state-of-the-art wartime equipment beyond small arms, and the incompetent secret service the result of both the populace and potential recruit's trouble of discerning between legitimate partisanal cells & occupier honeypots, as well as the existence of anti-Cominternesque bloc informant structures feeding information to the allied occupiers while rebuilding a native intelligence apparatus. Romaboory and Italian-style fascism at the fore rather than the usual eugenicist German-esque state. After all, I think Ultikana has the eugenicist part covered, although to somewhat parodic levels what with the IQ-based chattel slavery. Not sure who the occupying blocs could be, but that big ol' oil-state superpower Sini has looks like a big, bad Arabia or Iran to me, like a modern-day Achaemenid deal, although that's up to Sini. Could potentially form the not-Allied half of the occupation regardless of what the oil state manifests as. So Boerd's old guard imperialists, while not Bolsheviks by any means, could engage in similar revanchism and fulfill the role of faceless terror for a populist state and its allies/co-belligerents. The reverse could also be true, with Boerd as Britain and Sini as a non-Western power with a materialist vanguard ideology. I suppose I'll see based on what they choose to write for themselves; there might be another superpower or two, for that matter. The framework'll find its fillings, I'm sure. In any case, VIVA REMA.

[Meth Quokka]

I'll take a roll.

[So Boerd]

Here is the map. Legend: Controlled directly by me (Reds): Dark Red: Region of dense population and industrialization; the heartland. Red: Historical homeland of my to be named people. Salmon: Colonial acquisitions under direct rule, either because they are pro-homeland or have a small enough population to be easily manageable Colonies (Other colors): Simply requested areas for players/NPCs who are my colonies to be. Only a request, and if you wish to be a current/ex colony in a different location, 99% I will be OK with it.

[Sini]

Sini, what is your super power's ideology?

@So Boerd

I've been mulling that over, torn between something Asian or Slavic inspired, but definitely communist flavoured. There are widespread protests in my nation according to the roll, so think reactionary Russia dealing with upstart commies and anti-monarchists. What are you going to do, Boerd? Perhaps we can then start with creating two different ideologies.

@Sini @So Boerd Would either one of you be acceptable with my nation being a former colony of one of yours? My current take on my NS history is that it fought a revolutionary war for freedom against their colonizers from 1929-1935 being the first successful revolution in the world in which a conquered native people kicked out the foreign power that colonized/conquered them. Depending on your nation (upon which is based on a RL nation) it will effect its name and culture etc.

@shadowkiller912

Since Boerd declined, I'll say yes. From what I have of my history, that could tie in with a revolutionary movement on the homefront. Pulling back from fringe territories/colonies coincided with the formation of the new regime (or the beating down of rebels). Imperial overstretch wrecking havoc all around. I'd say my nation has been on the rebound since the latter part of our World War II equivalent.

[shadowkiller912]

<Snipped quote by So Boerd> I've been mulling that over, torn between something Asian or Slavic inspired, but definitely communist flavoured. There are widespread protests in my nation according to the roll, so think reactionary Russia dealing with upstart commies and anti-monarchists. What are you going to do, Boerd? Perhaps we can then start with creating two different ideologies. <Snipped quote by shadowkiller912> Since Boerd declined, I'll say yes. From what I have of my history, that could tie in with a revolutionary movement on the homefront. Pulling back from fringe territories/colonies coincided with the formation of the new regime. Imperial overstretch wrecking havoc all around. I'd say my nation has been on the rebound since the latter part of our World War II equivalent.

@Sini

Cool. PM on the details and anything you want to work out.

[Chapatrap]

I've never tried this style of NRP before but this looks interesting. Roll, please.

[HeySeuss]

I'll take a roll.

@Kangaroo

Superpower. Population Density (Population 275,000,000) -Densely Populated; A large amount of manpower for military and economic purposes, but it also means that there is a degree of strain on social infrastructure in general. Educational costs and civic projects tend to be intensive. Without an economy sufficient to the task, this nation will face difficulties. Industrialization -Regionally Concentrated: A specific region of the country is a strong producer of industrial goods, the other parts, not so much. Domestic Technology -Modern: Modern technology means space age materials, plastic, aluminum, good quality steel and the production methods to make it an efficient process. Educational Institutions -Comprehensive Public Primary and Secondary Schools, Mixed Private/Public Universities Domestic Political Stability -Widespread Labor Strikes Common Mineral Deposits -Moderate deposits of iron, chromium, copper and the like. Valuable Mineral Deposits -Trace deposits of rare earth metals, and platinum. Petroleum Wells -Vast Petroleum resources, that are easily exploitable. Fissible Material Deposits -Some fissible material reserves Military Recruitment -Conscription Based for National Service Military Reliability -Loyal to National Leader/Law/Constitution Military Size -Mid-sized, relative to population, some upkeep is involved. Military Technology -Leading Edge Military Training and Morale -Poor at fighting but good at following orders; Low Morale Military Leadership -Semi-Competent; Rose to their positions through a Military Academy Military Popularity -Unpopular Secret Services -Competent Secret Service; Can't resist meddling in foreign affairs

[HeySeuss]

I've never tried this style of NRP before but this looks interesting. Roll, please.

@Chapatrap

Population Density (Pop 24,000,000) -Adequately Populated; Some manpower for economic and military purposes, and social infrastructure is only under some pressure. Educational costs and civic projects are affordable. Industrialization -Developing: In the initial stages of setting up factories to produce domestic goods; cheap labor. Domestic Technology -Modernizing: The industrial infrastructure is in the process of improvement, and this is a teething process. But the economy is seeing increased activity because of this investment. New technologies are becoming domestically available. However, there is a degree of dependence on imports, including in terms of the expertise to modernize the economy. Educational Institutions -Comprehensive Public Primary Schools Domestic Political Stability -Widespread Insurgencies Common Mineral Deposits -Large deposits of iron, chromium, copper and the like. Valuable Mineral Deposits -Trace deposits of rare earth metals, and platinum. Petroleum Wells 1d6 -Moderate Petroleum finds, that are easily exploitable. Fissible Material Deposits -None Military Recruitment -Conscription Based for National Service Military Reliability -Military Plays Politics Military Size -Mid-sized, relative to population, some upkeep is involved. Military Technology -Limited Modernization Military Training and Morale -Poor at fighting but good at following orders; High Morale Military Leadership -Competent; Rose to their positions through Military Heroics Military Popularity -Unpopular Secret Services -Competent Secret Service; Loyal

[So Boerd]

<Snipped quote by So Boerd> I've been mulling that over, torn between something Asian or Slavic inspired, but definitely communist flavoured. There are widespread protests in my nation according to the roll, so think reactionary Russia dealing with upstart commies and anti-monarchists. What are you going to do, Boerd? Perhaps we can then start with creating two different ideologies. <Snipped quote by shadowkiller912> Since Boerd declined, I'll say yes. From what I have of my history, that could tie in with a revolutionary movement on the homefront. Pulling back from fringe territories/colonies coincided with the formation of the new regime (or the beating down of rebels). Imperial overstretch wrecking havoc all around. I'd say my nation has been on the rebound since the latter part of our World War II equivalent.

@Sini

I'm a Liberal-Conservative state. Pro-Imperialism, hawkish and interventionist, moderate fiscal and extreme social conservatives. Basically a 19th century mentality in the 20th century. Only the rhetoric changed, not the beliefs. Ostensibky in favor of free trade but certain discrete measures exist to favor intraimperial trade.

[HeySeuss]

Incidentally, as we get nation sheets in, I'll be figuring out who hosts the World Conclave in their nation. Well, temporary headquarters...meanwhile, permanent headquarters placement will be an item of debate and political maneuvering. I fully expect votes to be bought, sold, coerced and otherwise traded about by different nations.