B!tchfest: a healthy release for our non-roleplay annoyances.

[Pair of Hearts]

@Slypheed
Hope you feel better soon!

[Weird Tales]

What pisses me off the most is when game companies release games they say are finished but are not fucking finished

@Blueflame

Im guessing that you watched BlackBusterCritic's rant video on Marvel vs Capcom 3?

[MoiraEl]

When people use "homosexual" instead of gay. Like, you don't sound smarter when you use it and the word "homosexual" has some deep-rooted negative connotations with general ick. (See: the holocaust, conversion therapy)

[Sen]

When people use "homosexual" instead of gay. Like, you don't sound smarter when you use it and the word "homosexual" has some deep-rooted negative connotations with general ick. (See: the holocaust, conversion therapy)

@MoiraEl

But homosexual is the scientific term. If someone uses it in casual conversation like "oh hey he's a homosexual" I get you, but when it's appropriate there's nothing wrong with it imo.

[MoiraEl]

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But homosexual is the scientific term. If someone uses it in casual conversation like "oh hey he's a homosexual" I get you, but when it's appropriate there's nothing wrong with it imo.

@Sen

That's my problem with it is people think its okay to use because it's used in medical literature; the word literally goes back to a time when being gay was seen as a mental disorder and people were killed or institutionalized for it. It's not a good word and its creepy as hell that its still being used by people who aren't gay.

[Blueflame]

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Im guessing that you watched BlackBusterCritic's rant video on Marvel vs Capcom 3?

@Weird Tales

Nope it just pisses me off

[Weird Tales]

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That's my problem with it is people think its okay to use because it's used in medical literature; the word literally goes back to a time when being gay was seen as a mental disorder and people were killed or institutionalized for it. It's not a good word and its creepy as hell that its still being used by people who aren't gay.

@MoiraEl

You are aware that gay meant happy right?

[SleepingSilence]

@MoiraEl Basically, just personally don't like the word, like people hate the word moist? And I hate the word mumble because it's a smartass way to say you weren't paying attention that people used a little too often for me. :P

I think it's similar to how any human being that uses the word Caucasian (so nobody) and African American. (way too many.) It's trying to be politically correct, when it honestly just sounds worse to me, like your talking down to the person...so I get that. Though it's likely they're using that word, to avoid offending people.

[ScreenAcne]

This is a weird thing to piss me off but Bioshock and politics/ philosophy. Whenever I try to watch something bioshock related it's all "Oh. Masterful rebuttal of Ayn Rands stupid ideas lol" or in the case of number 2 how it criticizes collectivism and using the poor.

No one actually pays attention to bioshock plot because if they did they'd understand that the game doesn't make any points for or against Objectivism- hell I'm not even sure it actually practiced objectivism. Mostly on its charity crap but fuck it...read her work or visit an objectivist forum if you want to judge for yourself- Rapture only started falling apart when Ryan turned away from his ideals and tried to essentially make it into a nationalist, big government state.

Yes it had a crime problem but that wasn't a direct result of its capitalism or loose regulation more than it was artificially allowed to thrive due to its isolationist law. Which is ironic, that one of its only laws is the one that instigates and cages all the disputes into one big organized, criminal coup. If anything I could turn around and go "See, rapture in ten years leaped ahead above all other nations and governments following objectivitm and only fell when big government stepped in. Aided, of course by a crook manipulating the poor. There go Ryand speech about big authority and shallow altruism proved true"

I could...but I won't. Because that's stupid. What made bioshock 1 and 2 good was that the whole thing was about both a city and the people in it trying to live up to their ideals. In real life, I don't care who you are or what ideals or even philosophy you follow. Life both supports it and is against it, that's life. It dosen't treat cities no different that it treats people. What gave rapture...a city...so much personality was that both wore the accomplishment of life struggle to stand by those ideals and the disfigurements.

Bioshock shouldn't be used as an impulse cash in of on how "left or right" were incorrect. It should be used as an example of how to combine people to their ideology and yet still make them flawed and fragile humans, yet heroes/villains by living to their convictions in terms of writing. It is a warning, that dreams are worth fighting for but no man can fight forever and not become disfigured.

[Vilageidiotx]

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You are aware that gay meant happy right?

@Weird Tales

Gay didn't really mean happy per see. It's one of those words that disappeared because it's context withered away and now the best word to compare it to is happy. That's why, back in the day, you will see both words used in the same sentences. They weren't being redundant, the context was difference.

The best way to describe gay is something like "Preppy", but if preppy was cool. It was a socially desirable state of merriment that stopped being socially desirable sometime in the mid twentieth century. Gay would be that state of being where happiness can flow from barbershop quartets and meeting chaste young ladies at ice-cream parlors all while having a chipper, outgoing, and completely family friendly disposition. It's place in society was replaced with words like "Cool" because the social behaviors we consider most desirably has changed, and now we prefer people who show a relaxed comfort with social situations rather than a gitty excitement. A person who acted gay now in the original sense might be seen as dweeb now unless they were a Mormon.

I don't know when gay started being used for homosexuality... but i have suspicions that this happened further back then you'd think. I once read a paragraph written in the same century of the American Revolution that seemed to be using the word gay as slang for homosexuality, but it could have been an accidentally prescient wording too. Of course, when you get to the point where gay stops being a useful word in everyday conversation, the homosexual slang is all you have left. So they didn't steal the word like so many people *coughmygrandmacough* think so much as they took a dying word and gave it new life.

And the term African American... the only people i've met who used that one without blinking were HR managers, teachers rattling statistics, and white people from so deep in the suburbs that actually meeting a black person was something of a unique once-a-year event for them. Everybody else uses black. Not a good term for a group of people because it is so clinical and sterile... the type of name you might use for something you only touch with rubber gloves and a pair of tweezers. Same problem with homosexuality. No life in those words.

[Intrepid]

That feeling when, even after watching Captain America: Civil War, I still don't know whose side I'm on.

[Dinh AaronMk]

That feeling when, even after watching Captain America: Civil War, I still don't know whose side I'm on.

@Intrepid

Let me make the choice for you.

Hider

Forget Marvel shit, obtain wodka.

Hider

[Weird Tales]

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Gay didn't really mean happy per see. It's one of those words that disappeared because it's context withered away and now the best word to compare it to is happy. That's why, back in the day, you will see both words used in the same sentences. They weren't being redundant, the context was difference.

The best way to describe gay is something like "Preppy", but if preppy was cool. It was a socially desirable state of merriment that stopped being socially desirable sometime in the mid twentieth century. Gay would be that state of being where happiness can flow from barbershop quartets and meeting chaste young ladies at ice-cream parlors all while having a chipper, outgoing, and completely family friendly disposition. It's place in society was replaced with words like "Cool" because the social behaviors we consider most desirably has changed, and now we prefer people who show a relaxed comfort with social situations rather than a gitty excitement. A person who acted gay now in the original sense might be seen as dweeb now unless they were a Mormon.

I don't know when gay started being used for homosexuality... but i have suspicions that this happened further back then you'd think. I once read a paragraph written in the same century of the American Revolution that seemed to be using the word gay as slang for homosexuality, but it could have been an accidentally prescient wording too. Of course, when you get to the point where gay stops being a useful word in everyday conversation, the homosexual slang is all you have left. So they didn't steal the word like so many people *coughmygrandmacough* think so much as they took a dying word and gave it new life.

And the term African American... the only people i've met who used that one without blinking were HR managers, teachers rattling statistics, and white people from so deep in the suburbs that actually meeting a black person was something of a unique once-a-year event for them. Everybody else uses black. Not a good term for a group of people because it is so clinical and sterile... the type of name you might use for something you only touch with rubber gloves and a pair of tweezers. Same problem with homosexuality. No life in those words.

@Vilageidiotx

I don't call myself black or African American. I am a Louisiana creole of French heritage. That's how i identify myself. Its all a matter of preference. So I call myself creole and not black

[Dinh AaronMk]

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I don't call myself black or African American. I am a Louisiana creole of French heritage. That's how i identify myself. Its all a matter of preference. So I call myself creole and not black

@Weird Tales

[Hjalti]

@MoiraEl Wait... So what words would you use to describe bisexual, asexual, heterosexual and pansexual? Homosexual is just a blanket term for gay or lesbian, since both are (for the most part) separated by gender. i.e. You're likely to meet a lesbian woman, but not a lesbian man. So instead of referring to two friends as "the gay guy and the lesbian chick" you could just say "The homosexual ones" or shorten it to homo, just like with hetero, bi or pan.

Words can take on whole new meanings after periods of time. The simplest example is how "fag" was the term used to refer to a bundle of sticks typically used to burn homosexuals at the stake. But now a word that was literally used to describe sticks is seen as offensive (much the same as the Italian word for "black"), while others like "buff" (which originally meant nude) or referring to someone as "black" are not. Hell, "dick" used to just be a shortened form of Richard and "African-American" is now being considered offensive!

The only way words become or indeed remain offensive is if you keep considering them as such or using them in an offensive manner.

[Weird Tales]

@MoiraEl Wait... So what words would you use to describe bisexual, asexual, heterosexual and pansexual? Homosexual is just a blanket term for gay or lesbian, since both are (for the most part) separated by gender. i.e. You're likely to meet a lesbian woman, but not a lesbian man. So instead of referring to two friends as "the gay guy and the lesbian chick" you could just say "The homosexual ones" or shorten it to homo, just like with hetero, bi or pan.

Words can take on whole new meanings after periods of time. The simplest example is how "fag" was the term used to refer to a bundle of sticks typically used to burn homosexuals at the stake. But now a word that was literally used to describe sticks is seen as offensive (much the same as the Italian word for "black"), while others like "buff" (which originally meant nude) or referring to someone as "black" are not. Hell, "dick" used to just be a shortened form of Richard and "African-American" is now being considered offensive!

The only way words become or indeed remain offensive is if you keep considering them as such or using them in an offensive manner.

@Hjalti

I feel like language would be in a lot better shape if people didn't get triggered so much by words

[Dolerman]

This is a weird thing to piss me off but Bioshock and politics/ philosophy. Whenever I try to watch something bioshock related it's all "Oh. Masterful rebuttal of Ayn Rands stupid ideas lol" or in the case of number 2 how it criticizes collectivism and using the poor.

No one actually pays attention to bioshock plot because if they did they'd understand that the game doesn't make any points for or against Objectivism- hell I'm not even sure it actually practiced objectivism. Mostly on its charity crap but fuck it...read her work or visit an objectivist forum if you want to judge for yourself- Rapture only started falling apart when Ryan turned away from his ideals and tried to essentially make it into a nationalist, big government state.

Yes it had a crime problem but that wasn't a direct result of its capitalism or loose regulation more than it was artificially allowed to thrive due to its isolationist law. Which is ironic, that one of its only laws is the one that instigates and cages all the disputes into one big organized, criminal coup. If anything I could turn around and go "See, rapture in ten years leaped ahead above all other nations and governments following objectivitm and only fell when big government stepped in. Aided, of course by a crook manipulating the poor. There go Ryand speech about big authority and shallow altruism proved true"

I could...but I won't. Because that's stupid. What made bioshock 1 and 2 good was that the whole thing was about both a city and the people in it trying to live up to their ideals. In real life, I don't care who you are or what ideals or even philosophy you follow. Life both supports it and is against it, that's life. It dosen't treat cities no different that it treats people. What gave rapture...a city...so much personality was that both wore the accomplishment of life struggle to stand by those ideals and the disfigurements.

Bioshock shouldn't be used as an impulse cash in of on how "left or right" were incorrect. It should be used as an example of how to combine people to their ideology and yet still make them flawed and fragile humans, yet heroes/villains by living to their convictions in terms of writing. It is a warning, that dreams are worth fighting for but no man can fight forever and not become disfigured.

@ScreenAcne

Bioshock gave birth to too many libertarians, so for that reason I cant forgive it.

[Vilageidiotx]

@MoiraEl Wait... So what words would you use to describe bisexual, asexual, heterosexual and pansexual? Homosexual is just a blanket term for gay or lesbian, since both are (for the most part) separated by gender. i.e. You're likely to meet a lesbian woman, but not a lesbian man. So instead of referring to two friends as "the gay guy and the lesbian chick" you could just say "The homosexual ones" or shorten it to homo, just like with hetero, bi or pan.

Words can take on whole new meanings after periods of time. The simplest example is how "fag" was the term used to refer to a bundle of sticks typically used to burn homosexuals at the stake. But now a word that was literally used to describe sticks is seen as offensive (much the same as the Italian word for "black"), while others like "buff" (which originally meant nude) or referring to someone as "black" are not. Hell, "dick" used to just be a shortened form of Richard and "African-American" is now being considered offensive!

The only way words become or indeed remain offensive is if you keep considering them as such or using them in an offensive manner.

@Hjalti

It won't change just because you feel like it should. Language is a living moving thing, and it's not under the control of any manageable intellectual progress. I suspect "homosexual" has become ugly to people is because it's become the term most used by people opposed to gay rights, so that you see evangelicals and politicians spitting the word like it is a bad thing. That's how slurs are born, and it's not something you can easily harness.

Compare the life of fuck; you start with a medieval word meaning "To stab", then becomes slang for sex, then becomes seen as the most vulgar of words, and then becomes a go-to word if you want something strongly vulgar. Nobody decided that, it was just one application leading to another. So you have the word "Homosexual" then. Simple clinical word becomes the go-to legal term (that and sodomy), faggot becomes an unacceptably vulgar slur so that all those preachers and politicians run the risk of being seen as trash if they use it, so they turn to the clinical word because it sounds detached enough for their rhetoric. Then it becomes an uglier sounding word and gay becomes the go-to generic.

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Bioshock gave birth to too many libertarians, so for that reason I cant forgive it.

@Dynamo Frokane

Wait, did it? I've never ran across those type.

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I don't call myself black or African American. I am a Louisiana creole of French heritage. That's how i identify myself. Its all a matter of preference. So I call myself creole and not black

@Weird Tales

That's pretty cool. Though that's more a local thing, so most black people in the US can't really use that term.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Wait, did it? I've never ran across those type.

@Vilageidiotx

Yea, Bioshock 1 has always come across as being an attack against the philosophy of Ayn Rand and the entire basis of Libertarian society. It out-right depicts and is set in a society where everything ever functioned through buying and selling and literally nothing was free, ever. It being the supposed utopia of unregulated commerce on every level it basically tore itself to pieces and died.

That and the use of Adam, which was already being more or less used quite a bit by those who already did really well for themselves on Andrew Ryan's dream.

But in any case because Rapture was a Libertarian and Randian wet dream it died because the inevitable class warfare it created.

Then Bioshock 2 was a wild swing at revolutionary socialism because blah-blah-blah, and Infinite a sting on American Exceptional-ism and all things that made the turn of the last century so fun.

But I don't think it ever once painted Libertarianism is a good light so as to set about actually encouraging more Libertarians.

[Vilageidiotx]

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Yea, Bioshock 1 has always come across as being an attack against the philosophy of Ayn Rand and the entire basis of Libertarian society. It out-right depicts and is set in a society where everything ever functioned through buying and selling and literally nothing was free, ever. It being the supposed utopia of unregulated commerce on every level it basically tore itself to pieces and died.

That and the use of Adam, which was already being more or less used quite a bit by those who already did really well for themselves on Andrew Ryan's dream.

But in any case because Rapture was a Libertarian and Randian wet dream it died because the inevitable class warfare it created.

Then Bioshock 2 was a wild swing at revolutionary socialism because blah-blah-blah, and Infinite a sting on American Exceptional-ism and all things that made the turn of the last century so fun.

But I don't think it ever once painted Libertarianism is a good light so as to set about actually encouraging more Libertarians.

@Dinh AaronMk

I knew all that. That's why I was a bit thrown off by the idea that it created libertarians.