[OOC] Fallout: King and Country

[Wade Wilson]

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I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure they were both created in the same year

@TTNoobs

Ah, right. Well, you learn something new every day :P

[mpjama2]

So I saw the bit about not making an offensive stereotype, and saw it as a challenge. I'm an American, and I'm trying to make a pre-war ghoul that used to be part of the British Secret Police. He's a ridiculous stereotype because I'd assume that going along with Fallout's themes of 50's conformity, the UK government would enforce a stereotype of a Model Citizen on its populace too. Just posted a WIP in the Character section, tell me what you think so far.

[Wade Wilson]

@mpjama2

Just for future reference - the Characters Tab is for accepted characters. Anyway, the Anti-Stereotype Police will look it over and deliver a verdict.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@mpjama2

Just for future reference - the Characters Tab is for accepted characters. Anyway, the Anti-Stereotype Police will look it over and deliver a verdict.

@Wade Wilson

Can I ask who this Anti-Steroytype Police is? I think they may have skipped over the rediculous irish-scottish-cockney religious communist spreadin' the words of Jesus and Mao xP

[Wade Wilson]

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Can I ask who this Anti-Steroytype Police is? I think they may have skipped over the rediculous irish-scottish-cockney religious communist spreadin' the words of Jesus and Mao xP

@ClocktowerEchos

The cockney part concerns us, but hey, it's a Scot. Scots are nowhere in our guidelines. They're just badbass beardies wearing manly skirts.

[Kingfisher]

So I saw the bit about not making an offensive stereotype, and saw it as a challenge. I'm an American, and I'm trying to make a pre-war ghoul that used to be part of the British Secret Police. He's a ridiculous stereotype because I'd assume that going along with Fallout's themes of 50's conformity, the UK government would enforce a stereotype of a Model Citizen on its populace too. Just posted a WIP in the Character section, tell me what you think so far.

@mpjama2

You had me at Ghoulishly handsome.

Wade is technically right about the character tab, but I cant see him not getting approved.

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Can I ask who this Anti-Steroytype Police is? I think they may have skipped over the rediculous irish-scottish-cockney religious communist spreadin' the words of Jesus and Mao xP

@ClocktowerEchos

I never actually enforced this, but I think Wade was quite keen to.

I've got no problem with self-aware ridiculous stereotypes, as Fallout has always been quite OTT in nature. Obviously if it undermines scenes that are sombre and serious in nature I'll be abit miffed, but in general I'm fine with it.

[Wade Wilson]

@mpjama2

After a quick read-through, the ASP have come to a verdict. Your ghoulified King's Men Agent is in need of mental rehabilitation, however is safe to go. For now.

[ClocktowerEchos]

They're just badbass beardies wearing manly skirts.

@Wade Wilson

McKilty approves and differs, the kilt is not a skirt, its bearded badassery storage. You think a pair of pants can contain all that Highland goodness?
_{What about the irish part of him tho?}

[Wade Wilson]

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McKilty approves and differs, the kilt is not a skirt, its bearded badassery storage. You think a pair of pants can contain all that Highland goodness?
_{What about the irish part of him tho?}

@ClocktowerEchos

Eh, his Irish's part is also fine. I would've preferred a split-personality however - Scotsman and leprichaun. Now that would be awesome.

[Kingfisher]

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Can I ask who this Anti-Steroytype Police is? I think they may have skipped over the rediculous irish-scottish-cockney religious communist spreadin' the words of Jesus and Mao xP

@ClocktowerEchos

You mean to say that places exist...OUTSIDE of England?! Poppycock!

[ClocktowerEchos]

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Eh, his Irish's part is also fine. I would've preferred a split-personality however - Scotsman and leprechaun. Now that would be awesome.

@Wade Wilson

For some reason that only managed to give me the image of a greedy kilted midget in a green suit <.<"

[TTNoobs]

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You had me at Ghoulishly handsome.

Wade is technically right about the character tab, but I cant see him not getting approved.

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I never actually enforced this, but I think Wade was quite keen to.

I've got no problem with self-aware ridiculous stereotypes, as Fallout has always been quite OTT in nature. Obviously if it undermines scenes that are sombre and serious in nature I'll be abit miffed, but in general I'm fine with it.

@Kingfisher

It's certainly OTT, but I always figured that it was as much to terrify as it was to satirize. The petty nationalism leading to the Enclave advocating genocide and eugenics, the chirpy Americanisms and posters talking about the perfect American, contrasted against the desolation of a nuclear-devastated world (like Fallout 1's intro), always struck me as a cautionary tale. It's creepy.

So I saw the bit about not making an offensive stereotype, and saw it as a challenge. I'm an American, and I'm trying to make a pre-war ghoul that used to be part of the British Secret Police. He's a ridiculous stereotype because I'd assume that going along with Fallout's themes of 50's conformity, the UK government would enforce a stereotype of a Model Citizen on its populace too. Just posted a WIP in the Character section, tell me what you think so far.

@mpjama2

Fascist/far-right governments tend to be quite utilitarian about their populace and their requirements, rather than particularly twee about the idiosyncrasies of a country as a whole, or they tend to pass off utilitarian qualities as being intrinsic to their "nation". They wouldn't just A-Okay every sterotype.

That being said, there are quite a few repugnant groups around today, Britain First and the EDL, ""Skinheads", for instance, who lack any form of education and generally subscribe more to stereotypes and the glorification of "semantic patriotism" than other far-right groups. I can easily see this sort of person, a hateful individual, having that hate exploited and channeled into a sort of public-censor role such as you describe.

[Sep]

@Kingfisher As a question, you already got one (But I was planning on making one) but what about another Scotsman? Being one I kinda wanted to make one but then one was already made...

I can think of another concept if need be.

[TTNoobs]

@Kingfisher As a question, you already got one (But I was planning on making one) but what about another Scotsman? Being one I kinda wanted to make one but then one was already made...

I can think of another concept if need be.

@Sep

You call that a Scotsman?

[ClocktowerEchos]

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It's certainly OTT, but I always figured that it was as much to terrify as it was to satirize. The petty nationalism leading to the Enclave advocating genocide and eugenics, the chirpy Americanisms and posters talking about the perfect American, contrasted against the desolation of a nuclear-devastated world (like Fallout 1's intro), always struck me as a cautionary tale. It's creepy.

@TTNoobs

The entire Fallout Series is actually pretty grimdark with what it implies or hides away.

I remember in New Vegas while playing through Old World Blues and stumbling into Little Yangtze and looking around. I though it was bad enough being basically a concentration camp for Chinese people until I saw that there were several desperate attempts all around the camp and how the bomb collars on the ghouls went off it they went out of the camp. And then I thought of all the shit the three remaining ghouls must have seen: brutally suppressed riots and escape attempts, harsh racist treatment that their own country put them under, seeing the people around them die of radiation or slowly turn into ghouls when the bombs fell and seeing their friends go "boom" when they took a step out of the camp.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@Kingfisher As a question, you already got one (But I was planning on making one) but what about another Scotsman? Being one I kinda wanted to make one but then one was already made...

I can think of another concept if need be.

@Sep

McKilty is by no means a legit Scotsman. He's what my American eyes see when I look at that general area known as Britain minus England.

Please, make a real Scotsman. I'm interested to see how the two would react to each other xD

[TTNoobs]

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The entire Fallout Series is actually pretty grimdark with what it implies or hides away.

I remember in New Vegas while playing through Old World Blues and stumbling into Little Yangtze and looking around. I though it was bad enough being basically a concentration camp for Chinese people until I saw that there were several desperate attempts all around the camp and how the bomb collars on the ghouls went off it they went out of the camp. And then I thought of all the shit the three remaining ghouls must have seen: brutally suppressed riots and escape attempts, harsh racist treatment that their own country put them under, seeing the people around them die of radiation or slowly turn into ghouls when the bombs fell and seeing their friends go "boom" when they took a step out of the camp.

@ClocktowerEchos

I'd forgotten about that - it was a particularly harrowing sight for me as well, given how absurd the whole DLC was. I also found the school testing children for signs of communistic belief, in a sense, acting like Big Brother, frightening.

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McKilty is by no means a legit Scotsman. He's what my American eyes see when I look at that general area known as Britain minus England.

Please, make a real Scotsman. I'm interested to see how the two would react to each other xD

@ClocktowerEchos

Britain minus England would still leave Wales and Northern Ireland

[Kingfisher]

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It's certainly OTT, but I always figured that it was as much to terrify as it was to satirize. The petty nationalism leading to the Enclave advocating genocide and eugenics, the chirpy Americanisms and posters talking about the perfect American, contrasted against the desolation of a nuclear-devastated world (like Fallout 1's intro), always struck me as a cautionary tale. It's creepy.

<Snipped quote by mpjama2>

Fascist/far-right governments tend to be quite utilitarian about their populace and their requirements, rather than particularly twee about the idiosyncrasies of a country as a whole, or they tend to pass off utilitarian qualities as being intrinsic to their "nation". They wouldn't just A-Okay every sterotype.

That being said, there are quite a few repugnant groups around today, Britain First and the EDL, ""Skinheads", for instance, who lack any form of education and generally subscribe more to stereotypes and the glorification of "semantic patriotism" than other far-right groups. I can easily see this sort of person, a hateful individual, having that hate exploited and channeled into a sort of public-censor role such as you describe.

@TTNoobs

I think the blend of satire with darker themes is what I find particularly engrossing. You have your crazy gimmicky gangs of grandma's then some really harrowing scenes like God/Dog battling with his personalities, or a greedy landgrabber blowing a town off of the map because "its and eyesaw".

@Kingfisher As a question, you already got one (But I was planning on making one) but what about another Scotsman? Being one I kinda wanted to make one but then one was already made...

I can think of another concept if need be.

@Sep

I'd rather not have another walking Scottish stereotype, but if you want to do a three-dimensional scottsman that's fine by me.

[Sep]

I'd rather not have another walking Scottish stereotype, but if you want to do a three-dimensional scottsman that's fine by me.

@Kingfisher

Well... I don't think what I have planned has many similarities with Clocktowers.

Was going to go with stubborn and with some anti-englishness thrown in.

Is that acceptable?

[Kingfisher]

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Well... I don't think what I have planned has many similarities with Clocktowers.

Was going to go with stubborn and with some anti-englishness thrown in.

Is that acceptable?

@Sep

I'd have to wait to see the Cs, but as long as its not FECK OFF YA ENGLISH BASTARD it should be fine