[OOC] Divinity Vs Dazsos!

[Divinity]

I could agreed and that's why my defense was punched through. The beam wasn't totally stopped and obfuscated like it was the first time. It seems his problem is that I haven't rolled over and died, it seems to me.

[Dazsos]

The annihilation rune works more like a gun than your traditional kamehameha. Its prep mostly consists of the process of aiming it, which indeed was done, and of course the initial act of writing it, also done. Preps vary, especially if the magic is unique. Usually a prep is associated with power as a means to make things fair, stronger spells would require more preparation, so that wizards aren't spamming their godliest abilities without backlash.

EDIT: I'll be strictly honest with you, Div. I do want your character to be dead ASAP, I kind of want out of this fight. But forfeiting isn't an option I give myself.

You wrote your character sheet beyond a level of vagueness I thought humanly possible, to the point where I was practically forced in to misinterpreting it. Those bracketed abilities? I thought all of them were just magical domains Corban had read up on, so he could react to them accordingly. You even placed them right where it would hint towards that. Then I find out each bracketed ability could constitute a thousand or so spells, you can imagine how tricked I felt.

'Likes Evocation,' still doesn't explain anything he's done with evocation so far. It just means he appreciates it.

[MelonHead]

I could agreed and that's why my defense was punched through. The beam wasn't totally stopped and obfuscated like it was the first time. It seems his problem is that I haven't rolled over and died, it seems to me.

@Divinity

Reading the fight it does seem like you've shirked a little on damage. It's not an easy thing to judge but your defence seems to have negated the lethality of the ray into something which served no further inconvenience than pushing your character back, which isn't reflective of a prep advantage. I'm not going to tell you how much damage you should take, but clearly the compromise here would be to show your opponent a little more give and take, as Dazsos is evidently exasperated with the situation and technically the rules dictate his attack should do some clear damage. Not overwhelming by any means, but noticeable and at least indicative of some progress/loss.

Just my opinion of course, but I can't imagine Innue saying anything different. Seems a shame to cause such trouble over something where a minor compromise would be suitable and keep both parties happy. Sure you would be at a little disadvantage, but you could argue Myron is already at a greater one after taking that rail-gun round, and that was a more dubious issue in my opinion, when the tiers weren't technically balanced. It seems like you've overcome the greater issue only to come undone on a smaller one.

[Divinity]

I would not say I've come undone at all! If were honestly labeling a prep as simply 'mentioning something in one post and then bringing it up in another' then would my diamond barrier not too be prepped? I'm not trying to grasp at straws but this is a serious question. Dazsos' prep is nothing but 'writing it down' and then letting it off. It just seems convenient that this would constitute a prep and mine wouldn't. I will take some damage if necessary. Corban lost a testicle before, so this wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to him. But id like to hear a sensible answer to my question first.

Edit: Dazsos, how many times have I expounded on his evocation ability now? I sent you the entire list of evocation spells from d&d. I fail to see how that is still even being brought up.

Melon, expounding upon earlier, did Dazsos not do the exact same thing to my railgun? I had a prepped attack moving probably faster than this one, and he took little more than 'mild bruising'. I hope you'd understand why I'm so hesitant to roll over and adhere to these rules that only seem to apply when they inconvenience him. I feel I put more than enough thought into my defense, after having let so much slide, to facilitate some give and take of my own.

[Dazsos]

I think... the issue here is that... if Corban's defence here falters, it might indeed spell his doom. He made absolutely no attempt to actually dodge the beam, so if it hits, it hits him dead on, exactly at the vitals Myron was aiming for. It can pierce his diamond dome with ease, and has 100ft of girth behind it to spear him in place until he's done with life. I doubt he'd be able to concentrate on erecting barriers when his heart, lungs, and spine have all been reduced to ash.

Given the situation, if I was in Divinity's shoes, I'd also argue every single little speck of information I could in order to save myself the loss.

[Divinity]

Your attack does not wholly supercede mine. It overpowers it, but it is also losing energy in the process. It is also still being split, and would therefore be off-target. The diamond is also insulated against energy. Says so right on the sheet. It still has to punch through graphene armor.

I highly doubt this attack would spell doom for Corban. Conveniently overlooking every factor that doesn't work in your favor. I've seen this before, somewhere....

[MelonHead]

I think... the issue here is that... if Corban's defence here falters, it might indeed spell his doom. He made absolutely no attempt to actually dodge the beam, so if it hits, it hits him dead on, exactly at the vitals Myron was aiming for. It can pierce his diamond dome with ease, and has 100ft of girth behind it to spear him in place until he's done with life. I doubt he'd be able to concentrate on erecting barriers when his heart, lungs, and spine have all been reduced to ash.

Given the situation, if I was in Divinity's shoes, I'd also argue every single little speck of information I could in order to save myself the loss.

@Dazsos

I don't really see how you've come to that conclusion, considering the nature of Divinity's defence it would still be relatively easy to re-direct the attack away from vitals, not to mention you can't expect the full force of the attack to force its way through the barrier erected, even if it is weaker in terms of preps, one single prep does not provide you with an instant win upon landing the attack, your both now at the same tier level so all magic is roughly equal, the barrier may fail but the amount of power that then impacts Divinity will still only incur one preps worth of damage. That's how extremely powerful magic in confrontation is balanced.

In regards to Divinity; Figure of speech, but you have reached an impasse over this issue, all I meant. A prep is basically anything which can reasonably be construed as either the preliminary action before or the magical action required to carry out an attack or defence in the future, this doesn't necessarily have to be magical, though most people prefer to work with magic because it is easier. It usually has to be visible, though that depends on power level and the capacity of the fighters, and it cannot be entirely vague, though it's not exactly a requirement to explicitly state exactly what your future intent is, it has to be at least guessable by both writer and character, that would be my interpretation.

That being said, if your claim is that the barrier is prepped, it's up to Innue to judge after all I suppose. I can't personally see where the barrier was prepped for this action, if it's obvious and I've just missed it maybe I can provide an outsiders perspective though. This is where the very specific nature of Dazsos sheet is important, the effects of his spells are explicitly stated so he really needs to do no more than name the rune and mention it being activated, or placed, or whatever Myron does. However, your character's abilities are more vague and require more explanation in IC, if you intended to prep a barrier in case Myron had a counter-attack you kind of needed to state that intent, especially as it's the sort of thing that needs rationalisation in my opinion. Unless your character is particularly defensively minded, or fearful, pre-preparing a defence would require some knowledge of the impending attack, considering the situation I'm not sure that exists. Also, just looking at the sheer volumes of actions undertaken in a short period, I'm not really sure that Corban ever had time to start preparing a defence.

Anyway I'm going to bed, all I can say is the best course of action is a compromise over damage, bearing in mind that T1 Eden dictates that some damage should be incurred from a prepped attack, but considering the nature of magical opponents the damage shouldn't be life-threatening but a mild impediment, perhaps a semi-disabled arm or other similar wound.

[Divinity]

@MelonheadI'm satisfied with that answer. I just didn't see Dazsos' action as a typical 'prep'. It was never mentioned until just a few posts ago. So I was asking if he can do that, why not me? I don't intend to actually argue that point.

[Dazsos]

Even if the beam is split, it's gravity locked in a certain direction by force, so only a fraction of its width would be redirected, and then that redirected energy would just continue to follow the gravitational path around the sword's blade. I personally assumed that the laserbeam could pierce those gems because 1) you stated that stray sparks punched holes in the barrier, 2) the disintegration ray is far more powerful than your average fire or lightning spell, the energies you mentioned, and it's especially effective at destroying physical constructs. 3) I don't think Corban could react fast enough to conjure that barriered graphene-aerogel in time; but when I find out if he can, I'll have the most accurate template possible to apply my own cast times in the future.

[Divinity]

I already explained why your gravity argument doesn't hold up quite a few posts ago. Lightning is just massive heat and charged particles, two primary elements of your beam. It states it has decent defense to energy across the board, just with specific effectiveness against lightning and fire. That would apply to your energy beam. As for the aerogel, I still feel I could. Even if it didn't activate immediately, it could still be summoned after the initial collision to radiate away some more of the energy that passes through. It also punched holes through my barrier as a a show of sportsmanship. Even if it can punch a hole through it doesn't mean it retains all of the energy it had prior. Like I said it would have lost a good portion of its energy after all of that. I'm willing to make more concessions and just take some damage as Melon has suggested, but not if you will continue to argue it should be damning despite a third party agreeing that it isn't.

[Dazsos]

After saying I can use the gravity rune, you'd lack intuition to imagine I wouldn't apply its effects to spells that require its effects.

Upon looking back, I never mentioned cutting the effects of gravity out of my idioms. Saying I did would be a lie.

[Divinity]

I never said you did. I in fact said you didn't. That's why from the beginning I assumed your gravity part of the beam was active, but you said in pm's it still wasn't active. Regardless, the physics of my attack would lessen the gravitational force by extension as well. I covered all of my bases. This is another reason why it wouldn't be a death blow.

[Dazsos]

Alright. I can see multiple scenarios unfolding, but in the end it will be up to Innue.

If it's rationalized that Corban couldn't summon the second barrier (aerogel + disjunction) in time, then I can see the annihilation beam eating through his diamond barrier and dealing severe damage. This is the worst case scenario for you. Although the gems are resistant to fire and lightning, it's not mentioned that they're upright immune, so it's wholly possible for a peak level energy blast to get the job done.

If Corban's second barrier is created in time but not fast enough to gain its full strength, then I can see the late sparks and stray blasts of the laser leaving vicious burns at most. Perhaps an explosion as well that would send Corban flying.

If he upped both defenses in time, but they weren't strong enough to take the blast - again - horrible burns is my weather forecast.

If he upped both defences and they were strong enough to deflect the blast... that means Innue thinks your character could react perfectly in the 1/2 second given.

There are probably other outcomes I'm missing, but this is what I see based on my understanding of my own ability.

On another note, how capable is Corban at self-healing?

[Divinity]

Corban was knocked several meters by the explosion regardless since its in my post. As for the barriers, I would say he isn't 'deflecting' the blast. He repositioned it away from vitals. Your second theory is the one im willing to go with (barriers summoned, but not at maximum power). I'm willing to accept some second degree burns(third causes incredibly extensive damage, not a 'mild impediment', unless we'd agree the surface area of them was relatively small), suffering a few holes in his robes where the damage was dealt.

Corban is not very good at self-healing. The typical 'heal' spells fall under the conjuration class, which he isn't very good in. However he has other methods of damage control and mitigation, just not outright healing.

[Innue]

I tend to lean towards what Melon has said. I would expect a bit more than minor inconvenience damage too in this instance, but I think the case can be stated for it not being lethal and combat still technically able to take place.

Largely, my rationale is based on how quickly this is taking place and at a fairly close range. Even assuming incredible processing speeds, to react to that spell in that timeframe is questionable to me (this is not a level of combat I'm a fan of). However, we will disregard that since it seems to be consistent with the actions in the previous parts of the fight. And while it may not be a complex set of actions for Corban, he still has to complete the OODA loop and each step takes at least a moment.

[Divinity]

I feel second degree burns is a perfect compromise for damage. Certainly not damning, but also something noticeable. Anything beyond would be highly debilitating, and considering the specifics revolving around my various defenses and the damage incurred from my railgun attack, is fair insofar as I am concerned.

[Dazsos]

Feel free to edit your post and add in actual damage being dealt, rather than simple burns to his robes. Since he didn't dodge, I do think the burns would materialize on his chest.

Also, now on to another ability of his that confuses me. Although I'm not against it as much as its process eludes me so far. Corban and Ishtalle fused together? What parts of both characters are present in the one new body? As in, each organ roughly, (I assume the skin is veiled by Ishtalle's durability, but coating Corban's?)

I've been working on Myron's extended rune sheet, I'll have the information available to you before my next post.

[Divinity]

extended rune sheet? He's getting more after space and time? Expect corban to scale similarly. As for the burns, they aren't simply burning his robe, they will burn through them to the flesh underneath, dealing some second-degree burns. The edits will be made by the end of the day hopefully.

Edit: Crystal is the suffusion of Ishtalles 'soul' or consciousness and her physicality mixed with Corban's. Organs are in the same place(even has the appropriate no-no parts!) they would be on Corban, but Ishtalle is 'coating' the flesh(as well as the disjunction).

[Dazsos]

Alright, thanks for the coverage.

I don't see an issue with more runes, mainly because I've been expecting an 'everything and anything' response from Corban ever since the cryoclone. Most of these runes aren't particularly new, some are mentioned but not explained, and others are idioms made of pre-existing runes that I could've concocted without needing to explain them (I.E. Possible with his current skillset unaltered). I'm adding a couple new ones however, ones not specifically made for high tier, but the kind to make it less of a burden for Myron to face high tier enemies. I don't see this being a true issue, considering Corban has thousands of non-listed spells under his belt.

Esti will be explained, too. It's a magical race, I'll give you that hint.

[Divinity]

I'll make this determined on a case-by-case basis. Space and time is certainly enough on its own to deal with just about any powerset. Why more would be necessary im really not sure. You control three powerful universal forces of Gravity, space, and time. But im fine until I have a reason to believe otherwise.