Fabricant451

Video Games: The General Discussion & Community Thread Number Two

If Horizon Forbidden West sucks I'm gonna bash my head against a wall and never play video games ever again

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If Flee or Mitchells vs the Machines doesn't win the Best Animated Feature at the Oscars then I will continue to mock them and call them out of touch while also caring way too much about pointless award shows.

I just think it would be nice if something other than a Disney movie won because in the past ten years only 2 animated movies won that weren't Disney and like sorry, Brave, but ParaNorman was better and also fuck you Big Hero 6, Princess Kaguya ruled.

What I'm saying is I've never forgiven them for giving it to the rat chef movie over Persepolis

Video Games: The General Discussion & Community Thread Number Two

I think your problem is sourcing opinions from people you deem to be paid hacks and not streamers or people you trust or like trying the game that is free out for yourself since the only thing wasted then is time. But as someone who has played a lot of MMOs, Lost Ark is better than New World because New World is on fire so much you can survive a winter with it as your primary heating source. And saying it doesn't look better than mobile games is a bit disingenuous.

I don't even like the game because its story is super shit and I disagree with gender locked classes but even I can't deny that the actual use of skills and moment to moment fighting of enemies is solid enough to be better than garden variety ARPGs. It doesn't have the polish of a AAA budget or even a AA Diablo knockoff but it's a good enough veg out game that'll absolutely die down in a month as is the way.

1x1x1 maybe?

@Tlstiffl I did. Both ideas are up my alley but then I'm a sucker for a good triangle or whatever it may be

1x1x1 maybe?

Hello this interests me muchly

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So back to your points. Can you think of a kids show where 'obvious gags for the young crowd' doesn't apply? Or can you think of a season one of a kids show that does its worldbuilding/lore better than Avatar? Please don't say Steven Universe or Adventure Time, I beg you.

@SleepingSilence

Off the top of my head? No, because most cartoons aren't really serialized the way Avatar is, or I assume it becomes such. Also because I'm not super familiar with a lot of cartoons. I haven't seen Adventure Time and Steven Universe is a bad example anyway because its first season is like 50 episodes and only like 10 of them have any sort of lasting lore relevance. Gravity Falls maybe? But I say that having not seen Gravity Falls.

Most cartoons, and correct me if I'm wrong as this is absolutely not my area of expertise, tend to be more episodic in nature culminating in arcs near mid or season finales. But just because ATLA does its lore better than its peers doesn't mean I have to give it a pass for what I feel are its narrative shortcomings.

I don't expect a character like Aang to understand the moral complexities of war profiteering, but I would absolutely expect a character like Katara or Zuko to

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Have you finished it?

@Exit

I finished season 1, but it took me a bit because I was put off by the first couple of episodes and their wild tonal shifts. I didn't find myself compelled to watch beyond that despite everyone telling me that it gets 'even better'. That may be but I have the same response to that as I do when someone tells me "Yeah no this game gets good after 20 hours"

I tried getting into Avatar but ultimately I didn't really vibe with the writing. I love the aesthetic of the show, though. Elemental benders in an Asian setting is certainly cool.

@Peppercorn

My problem was its writing, largely. Like I know with cartoons people like to use the whole 'it's good...for a kids show!' but I've always been of the mind that something is good or bad regardless of audience in mind (with exceptions, I'm not about to be like "No, Little Einstein's is brilliant!') and Avatar's writing (at least in the first season, which is all I have context for) wasn't 'good for a kids show' or even 'good in general'. It was full of tonal shifts and obvious gags for the young crowd, but its lore was interesting enough. But lore and story aren't the same thing and if someone says otherwise ask them to explain the lore of Lord of the Rings and buzz them if they start talking about Frodo and Sam's wild adventure.

All everyone ever talked about was stuff that doesn't happen in the first season because the first season spends half its time doing episodic lore exploration (which were the episodes I liked) and then the other half being episodic adventures. But while watching the first season I kept being told the same thing, how good it gets, how Zuko has a redemption arc, how such and such and so and so and this and that and it's like yeah, that all sounds cool, but the first season felt trapped by its need to appeal to the younger Nickelodeon crowd.

I also suspect that many ATLA fans were young when it was airing and I was 16 and at the age where I was too cool and mature and old for dumb cartoons which is probably why my NickToon/TeenNick nostalgia consists of the Rugrats/Doug/Clarissa Explains It All/Rocko era through to just about As Told By Ginger 2004-ish or so. Except for CatDog. That was a mistake. And Rocket Power.

But yeah, I'm sure ATLA is fine but I gave it more than a fair shake (I feel) and just...didn't vibe with it.

For some reason, I remember you talking about the Legend of Korra. Did you happen to watch that show first? Or am I confusing you with somebody else?

@SleepingSilence

Nah, I never saw Korra. My experience with Korra was playing the real bad action game of it then hearing she and another girl held hands. I have been told I might like Korra because of my specific interests in shows where women get to punch people real good but those same people also told me I'd like Avatar the Last Airbender so I can't trust 'em

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I'd rather imagine that you straight up didn't watch it, if you think that movie didn't have any replusive content.

@SleepingSilence

I did watch it. I just have the opinion that something can have objectionable material without it being an endorsement of said material. And my first thought on watching the movie was not "Wow these prepubescent girls are sexy and being framed as sexy". The movie is far more critical of what it supposedly glorifies considering the protagonist rejects it and the audience within the movie does as well. I dunno, I guess I could relate to a little girl with a different ethnic and cultural background than all her peers trying to fit in by appealing to the wrong sort of crowd and in the end embraces who she is and rejects the notion of trying to change to fit in and become much happier for it.

Anyway, I keep being told that Avatar the Last Airbender is good but I'm starting to think I was lied to.

Video Games: The General Discussion & Community Thread Number Two

I have played even more Legends Arceus

I have a lot of nitpicky complaints (why can't I just give the inventory expansion guy a flat sum of money to boost my inventory by however much it costs since having to do it one at a time is fucking stupid) and the game is really, really flat but I dunno, it's weird and I find myself just veging out and chucking fruit at dudes to smack them with my big heavy black balls to make an arbitrary number go up so it has that going for it.

The only thing I would want future gens to take from this game are a more realized open world (none of this gated zone shit) and the ability to just always be able to pay someone to teach my Pokemon moves and having the ability for them to swap moves on the fly no hassle.

But as this is GameFreak I assume the next gen Pokemon game will carry over nothing and disappoint everyone all over again

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Put Fillmore on Disney+, you mouse asshole

Also put The Weekenders on there