Fabricant451

What shows/movies are you watching?

Going to bat for Multiverse of Madness are we? Man, you'll argue contrarian for just about anything, won't ya?

@SleepingSilence

Except I'm not going to bat for Multiverse of Madness. I'm going to bat for Everything Everywhere All At Once.

That's nice. But I want good movies.

And whatever one considers "well received", doesn't exactly make it good, nor worth the multi-millions that it cost to produce.

Audiences loved Minions 2. So did the box office. Which one do you think a studio cares about when weighing the worth of what it costs to produce. I'm sure the critical and audience reception (both generally positive) is what they care about and not the fact that it was the fifth highest grossing movie of 2022 and almost made a billion dollars on an 80 million budget.

Yes, I alone think this.

And the way you described how they'd make the movie (by making a few random references with '''an elf''' guy) already sounds terrible enough. Though I'd bet all the money imaginable, that it wouldn't even be *that* well versed in the end product.

I said the elf part because that's how Link and the Hylians have been described and why they have pointy ears. Because they are elf-like. And if you show anyone who doesn't know anything about Zelda a picture of Link they will call him an elf. Because he has elf ears. Because they're elf-like. The original game had its scenario writer and director inspired by Tolkein. For all intents and purposes, Link is an elf and calling him a Hylian in the movie won't change that everyone will just go "oh he's an elf guy".

@Fabricant451 What fun new movies are you looking forward to this year? John Wick 4, Trolls 3, Insidious 5, Spiderman 2, Another f*cking internet found footage movie, The Nun 2, The Meg 2, Insert every marvel and DC movie here, Mission Impossible, Hunger Games, Indiana Jones, Transformers...(I could keep going.)

But more seriously, is there anything you're actually expecting to be of excellent quality?

I get that you're trying to make a statement on movies not being fun or new because sequels but unironically yes I am looking forward to John Wick 4, Mission Impossible 7, and at least one Marvel movie and it's not the one that's out next month or the one after that and also Spiderverse 2. I don't even like any of the other franchises you mentioned other than I like two Indiana Jones movie but don't really care to see a fifth one. You also forgot Fast and Furious 10.

But to answer the second part, I think Mission Impossible is the best present American action franchise so I fully expect that 7 to be just as great as 4, 5, and 6 have been. John Wick is reliably enjoyable. I'd be shocked if I give any MCU movie over 3/5 other than the one I am hyped for for personal reasons, but a 3/5 movie is totally watchable.

As for what I think to be of excellent quality, other than Mission Impossible 7 I can list a few, sure.

-Oppenheimer
-Beau is Afraid
-Next Goal Wins
-Dune Part 2
-Killers of the Flower Moon
-Barbie
-Chevalier
-Polite Society (admittedly the trailer made me less optimistic but eh)
-Pain Hustlers
-Creed 3
-Asteroid City
-Inside
-Havoc
-Finestkind
-The Killer

The thing is it's hard to judge upcoming movies so early in the year because apart from the franchise stuff that you mentioned, which studios obviously put the focus on because money makes things spin, most stuff kinda just comes out with little fanfare other than word of mouth. Half the stuff I listed is on there because I like the director (Wes Anderson, David Fincher, Greta Gerwig, Ari Aster, Christopher Nolan, Martin Scorsese) and they have a higher chance of putting out something I continue to like. But my favorite movies of any given year are never the big blockbuster stuff, I just enjoy a popcorn movie. I can watch something like Broker or Red Rocket at home and be fine but a movie like Avatar 2 or, yes, Multiverse of Madness (which was textbook mehhhh) are enhanced by the theater experience. I generally try to see smaller movies in theaters too but that's getting harder and harder these days for reasons both personal and because my theater doesn't have as many screens anymore and so prioritize the money makers but that's a whole other conversation.

I don't think franchise movies are bad. In some cases I think they can still be genuinely great (like Mission Impossible). I am well aware that this year has an abundance of franchise movies but that's what happens when you have delays and such finally catching up. Ideally the fucking drought that was last year's theatrical releases leading to fucking Top Gun being in theaters for like 9 months will convince studios to put shit out. Either way, I doubt I'll even watch any of the DC movies in theaters because who gives a fuck now that James Gunn is trying to salvage it for like the third time.

Video Games: The General Discussion & Community Thread Number Two

You don't cast Ron Perlman as Link. You don't cast Christopher Walken as Zelda. I would generally not want to see Famous Actor/Personality/Musician cast unless it was just a virtually perfect fit. I don't want Beyonce Zelda because that would be Beyoncé, not Zelda. I wouldn't even want someone in her level of celebrity in the film because regardless of the role it would be a distraction. Same with Chris Pratt or Chris Hemsworth. Don't cast them as Gorons or Gannondorf or whatever. Just don't cast them.

@BangoSkank

The reality of movies is that you need to sell to an audience and despite what people on the internet think, movies and shows based on source material are not made to sell things solely to that audience because that is not how money is made (and also they have every reason to believe that the people who complain the loudest will watch it anyway). This is why animated movies from studios and even Ghibli dubs cast actors that normies have heard of. This is why Chris Pratt is Mario and Jack Black is Bowser and this is why Sandra Bullock was in the Minions movie and why Benedict Cumberbatch was the Grinch and why Chris Evans was fuckin Buzz Lightyear. The only difference between a movie and a series is that a series is more likely to cast voice actors and not celebrities doing voice work, but even still in a movie you're going to have to expect a celebrity cast because that's how the business works.

But obviously they're not going to do whatever hypothetical stunt casting that people say. They're not stupid but also if someone can't get past a celebrity actor in a voice performance then that's moreso on the individual. The only difference between casting, say, Daisy Ridley as Zelda or Emily O'Brien is that most people have heard of who Daisy Ridley is. No one should even assume 'Beyonce as Zelda' both because she's not exactly the first choice in most movies considering her blatant lack of a wide filmography and because there are way more obvious celebrities that I have to wonder why the first choice wouldn't be Taylor Swift.

Video game movies are not hard to make anymore.

Anyway, One Piece Odyssey is pretty good

Video Games: The General Discussion & Community Thread Number Two

Now with Beyoncé as Zelda. And all new music by Pharrell Williams!

@SleepingSilence

Careful, your mask is slipping

Video Games: The General Discussion & Community Thread Number Two

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*Too complicated and convoluted⁠ — for Hollywood. Especially from the folks that made the Minion/Dr.Seuss movies.

@SleepingSilence

What are you talking about, one of the most acclaimed movies of the last year involved multiverse and had rules and explained itself without any complication or convolutions while also telling a story that resonated with people. Hollywood is no stranger to complicated movies, and your opinion on the Minions aside those movies are still well received. But even so, nothing in a Zelda game is complicated or convoluted and the structure of them is basically fodder for an easily told story anyway, you'd just cut it down from like 12 dungeons to like four which they did with BOTW anyway.

The idea that each game could be just as easily adapted as the other, is something I can't agree with. Especially because the quality of the Legend Of Zelda games tend to go beyond the bare bones that Hollywood would imitate.

I know you have some weird bone to pick with Hollywood but any given Zelda game could easily become a movie. And they wouldn't even have to copy the story of any of the games because all they would need to do to have an accurate to the source material is an elfy dude in green named Link, a princess named Zelda who may or may not get captured, and a bad dude named Ganondorf who may or may not turn into a pig monster at the end of the movie named Ganon. Link has to use a sword and arrows. Mention the triforce. Zelda uses light arrows at the end. Throw in a mid section of gathering shit to make the triforce of courage or break the seal on the castle and bam, you've got a two hour movie. Probably even an hour forty five if you're good about it.

Just because you think Hollywood is some monolithic thing producing mid or bad content doesn't make it so and that just says you're not seeking out movies other than blockbusterinos.

But maybe Link's Awakening could have an Oldboy-style "reinterpretation", since Hollywood's so used to producing the "and it was all a dream" cliché. Though I'm trying to imagine how fucking awful a Majora’s Mask movie would be.

Hollywood doesn't even do "it was all a dream" stuff anymore that shit went out of style years ago. Also a Majora's Mask movie would be easy to do, time travel is not a new concept in movies nor are time loops. You should really give movies more credit because nothing suggests a Zelda movie couldn't work other than you automatically assuming the worst because one of the top animation studios who Nintendo has already put their faith in and is guaranteed to make bank and likely produce a solid 3/5 movie about a plumber with no real personality outside of loving to stomp on turtles is maybe considering making a movie based on a video game series that a 1985 movie already basically has a version of anyway starring Tom Cruise and directed by Ridley Scott

What shows/movies are you watching?

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I checked it a few days ago and the show was resting at 10% on Rotten Tomatoes. By the time I woke up the next day it dropped to 7% audience rating. Literally any place you look (Metacritic, IMDb, Google User reviews, etc.) there isn't a lick of goodwill towards it.

@Kuro

I gave it the benefit of the doubt when all there was to go on were character designs. But like within three minutes into the first episode I was regretting even trying to give it a fair shake. It is so bad and worse it thinks it's being clever with constant wink and nods to tropes and references but none of them work at all. It's like those "And then Deadpool walks in!" Reddit posts except written by Twitter.

What shows/movies are you watching?

Velma is so bad that every side of the culture socio-political spectrum can hate it for different but also valid reasons. Thanks, Velma, for bringing people together to make fun of your genuine awfulness.

Video Games: The General Discussion & Community Thread Number Two

The lore in any given Zelda game is hardly complicated or convoluted at all, it only becomes so when people try to do timeline bullshit. You could easily make any given Zelda game into the foundation for a movie because they all follow the same basic premise of normal dude chosen by the gods goes on a quest to defeat the bad guy and save the princess.

Anyway.

I finished God of War: Ragnarok and I don't think they should make more of these games both because of the way the story ends and also because it and 2018 are just not very good as action games because of their slavish devotion to their own cinematic aesthetic. It's a game that overstays its welcome and suffers the same problems as 2018 only worse because it actually feels like padded length at multiple points.

Anime & Manga! Oh my! (Anime/Manga Thread)

Reborn to Master the Blade: From Hero-King to Extraordinary Squire has a scene where a baby lowdiffs a dragon so it rules

Anime & Manga! Oh my! (Anime/Manga Thread)

The first anime I was into, discounting the Sailor Moon dub since that was early morning kid anime time for me, was Dirty Pair and Dirty Pair Flash which aired on Friday and Saturday nights on Shotime. I was young and didn't really get it other than "girl cops in cool adventures" but when I re-visited it as an adult I loved it even more as some prime 80s anime vibes.

What shows/movies are you watching?

Glass Onion was a lot of fun and really cleverly written that I can't imagine someone not enjoying it unless they want to be smarter than the media they consume. Knives Out is probably better as a 'murder mystery' but Glass Onion is much wittier and more clever but it's less about a whodunit and more a whydunit.