[OOC] World in Revolution: 1861 (Page 101)

So Boerd said
Austria is the other mediator, ask them. Prussia would want to hear Austria advocate for war on a fellow member of the GC for inadvertently closing a major French invasion route into Germany.

There's no ongoing conflict, so you're just creating war for the sake of creating war, no matter how poorly you attempt to justify it.

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You don't consider Dutch troops advancing into the captured portion of their country and being fired upon by a foreign military to be a conflict, Ampharos?

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Go for it. Could do that or just bring it up at Turin. Either way it needs to be discussed.

For IC reasons, Prussia does not see its intervention as meriting discussion, so someone else should start it.

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The Nexerus said
You don't consider Dutch troops advancing into the captured portion of their country and being fired upon by a foreign military to be a conflict, Ampharos?

We recognize the Treaty of London and Belgium's independence, including its sovereign rule over Flanders.

The German Confederation recovered Alsace-Lorraine through diplomacy and Holstein as part of a provision in the Treaty of Constantinople that allowed Prussia to use military force. Invading Belgium is just warmongering.

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And in the case that you recognize the invasion of Belgium as 'warmongering', would it then not be Prussia's responsibility to intervene and mediate the conflict? I suspect that your problem is with the nature of their mediation, in which case you should be upset that the Treaty of Constantinople, which you signed, did not specify what precisely the neutral mediators responsibilities were.

In either case, I have the utmost confidence that the ToC signatories will accept Prussia's decision on how to arbitrate the newest conflict in Northern Europe.

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Ampharos, make an IC PM convo about it.

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That was probably the most interesting page and a half of our OOC Thread I've seen so far. Arguing over the wording of a treaty and whatnot...

Sorry if it wasn't as interesting for you guys, but I really found it interesting.

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Ottomans said The Netherlands claims that the French and Belgians would never have agreed to surrender Flanders to the Netherlands. We would like to point out that the only nation in Europe which has willingly made territorial concessions for the sake of peace has been France, which surrendered Alsace-Lorraine to the German Confederation. The Netherlands’ claim that only military force could result in Flanders being transferred to the Netherlands is thus baseless and unfounded. If anything, France has proven it is more than willing to concede land for the sake of peace. However, those who wish for war need no excuse, and the fact such an excuse was made goes only to show the level of moral degeneration of the aggressors.

Somebody needs to tell the Ottomans that Belgium isn't in France.

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Somebody needs to tell the Ottomans that Belgium isn't in France.

Perhaps that should be clarified to the Netherlands, who appears to believe that Belgium is some kind of French province. OE was merely responding on a level understandable to the Netherlands.

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Could you please show me in which post it was that the Netherlands stated IC that Belgium is a French province?

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"The Frenchmen that ruled over you before would not surrender you willingly. You are a proud people with a prosperous land, and they did not earn your place into their 'nation' fairly in the first place, so I knew, and the Royal Netherlands Army knew, that they would not yield to fairness and justice in returning you."

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I referred to the Belgian ruling class as Frenchmen, because they're closely political and socially connected to France, were put into their position at the top of Belgian society as a result of French intervention, and are Francophone.

I did not refer to Belgium as a French province, like you did.

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Sorry Nex, would love to get into a full debate about the specifics of what you meant and what I meant, but this open minded Londoner has no time for your crap. If you want to discuss IC stuff with me, I'm only doing it IC, whether that's PM or otherwise.