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Dipper said I tell you this day, that the Gaming industry is going to crash again - We may be witnessing the first smouldering flames. It will be glorious.


#1: Definitely not glorious. Thousands of people losing their jobs is not glorious. Crashing industries is the complete opposite of glorious: It's horrifying. A company collapsing is one thing, this is a natural part of Capitalism. For instance, if EA gets usurped by a couple newcomers who simply do a better job than EA does, then the jobs lost at EA will be regained by the competitors that take bites and pieces out of it as it falls apart. The entire industry crashing means nobody is biting at those jobs--they're just straight up going away. This not only gives us far fewer choices as gamers in terms of entertainment, but results in thousands of people losing jobs in what is already a shitty economy.

#2: What causes a market crash is purely financial, not emotional. So how are the big dogs doing?

Electronic Arts:
Net Income: US$98.00 million <- Nearly 100 million dollars of pure income after all expenditures. All of them. That's enough money to buy a dozen indie studies if they wanted and not give a rat's ass.

Activision-Blizzard:
"While the company's revenues were down less than 1 percent to $1.05 billion, net profits were up more than 75 percent to $324 million."

Activision doesn't care. Activision is doing well right now. So long as World of Warcraft and Call of Duty keep selling they'll keep doing well.

If anything the triple AAA publishers are very stable at the moment. As well, the first thing they do if they start to suffer is cut out studios that aren't performing to their expectations (such as Pandemic Studios, who made Star Wars Battlefront) which immediately saves them millions in expenditures.

Generally speaking, if you're thinking of a crash like in the 1980's, it's not going to happen. What happened in the 1980's was too many competitors selling too many diluted products over too many consoles, with an arcade market that was still able to kick the shit out of them from time to time. Also of note, the 80's crash was only in North America: Japan and Europe kept going without a care in the world. There were no EA's or Activision's back then, the closest you could really get to that was Atari and they were usually only one blunder away from causing their investors to panic. EA and Activision make constant blunders, but they're so humongous that the investors don't care so long as at least one of the big hitters succeeds, and each of them have at least one baby that will sell consistently for the foreseeable future. (Activision has World of Warcraft and Call of Duty, EA has the Madden series and the Sims.)

If you want to see change in the industry, it's not gonna come from a crash (at least I really hope not), it's going to come from the indie studios quickly flowering out into several mid-tier studios. Ones with a large enough budget to produce high quality, good looking content that could legitimately compete with Call of Duty or others of a similar vein, but retain the ability to reflexively produce inventive and memorable content that the lumbering giants simply can't. Sure, EA and Activision can buy some of them, but not all of them if the indie scene keeps blowing up the way it is.

tl;dr: A crash isn't going to happen and if it does, everyone will suffer. Including you and me.
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It should also be noted that EA may also stay largely immune because all of their buyers outside of the Bioware fanbase tend to go for very generic/casual games, hell I've rarely seen EA games get attacked by feminists outside of Bioware's stuff.

Plus those who still follow and buy EA products are probably not the kinds of people who bother being informed or aware enough about games, companies, issues etc. A lot of them may be completely oblivious to this Feminist attack on games even happening in the first place.
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Brovo said
.tl;dr: A crash isn't going to happen and if it does, everyone will suffer. Including you and me.


True. I meant that the gaming journalist companies will hopefully be destroyed - Not EA Games/ Activision-Blizzard and the various other large companies that I enjoy. I was just getting off of my first overnight, nine hour shift, so I was a tad... Less coherent than I thought I was.
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Magic Magnum said It should also be noted that EA may also stay largely immune because all of their buyers outside of the Bioware fanbase tend to go for very generic/casual games, hell I've rarely seen EA games get attacked by feminists outside of Bioware's stuff.Plus those who still follow and buy EA products are probably not the kinds of people who bother being informed or aware enough about games, companies, issues etc. A lot of them may be completely oblivious to this Feminist attack on games even happening in the first place.


Bioware will go the way of Microprose and Westwood. Just watch.

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Although, I could also see them go the way of Maxis. DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC~

Dipper said True. I meant that the gaming journalist companies will hopefully be destroyed - Not EA Games/ Activision-Blizzard and the various other large companies that I enjoy. I was just getting off of my first overnight, nine hour shift, so I was a tad... Less coherent than I thought I was.


Ah. No, still unlikely. Gaming Journalism in its current state won't die until appropriate competitors spring up that gamers can flock to. Otherwise, the 'headlines' like "all gamers are sexists hurr" will still incur enough traffic to get them the ad revenue they want, even if it's out of hatred. As well, so long as big corps that are completely out of touch with gamers such as EA and Activision keep pumping money into them, they'll never crash no matter how shit they get.

More likely, they'll keep trying to sweep it under the rug and failing that, will apologize and maybe fire a couple people if we're really lucky. Then the rest will go back to doing what they're already doing.
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Brovo said Bioware will go the way of Microprose and Westwood. .

EDIT: Although, I could also see them go the way of Maxis. DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC DLC~


As much as I don't want to agree, I do agree.
Bioware is dying, it's just a question of how many more good games will they make before EA completes the corruption?

And really the DLC DLC DLC trend has been going on since Mass Effect 2...

At least I have Telltale now.
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It's rather unfortunate 'Gaming Journalism' won't at least clean up it's act, or even admit they screwed up. Cheers to yet another year of terrible journalism.

Bioware's consistent decline is a rather depressing thing to watch, or at least it is for me. When I was a kid, I used to spend hours saving the Galaxy on KOTOR, or restoring the balance between life and death in Jade Empire. Those two games, now that I think about it, were apart of the reason why I became a 'geek', 'nerd', or whichever term you deem is appropriate. But now whenever I play a new Bioware game, I usually don't get enthralled and feel as if the story is a bore.

I'm not kidding, sure when you're a kid you have pretty bad tastes. But at least KOTOR didn't have the infamous Star Brat and Villains ruled by troll logic, and don't even get me started on DAII and it's own plethora of problems. Including the recycled dungeons, the weird fan catering, and the character of Anders. God, how I hated that walking author tract.

I will still buy and play Dragon Age inquisition, just to watch the train crash and burn. Why do I believe it's going to fail? Well, the conclaves destruction which is supposed to be a dramatic cut scene leaving us in awe, has five NPC's all dying with the same animation. That's definitively not a good sign. But I've already gone off topic, and will stop here.
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Bioware has slowly been having it's executive staff replaced by EA.

They also cut out most of their writer's for the ending of Mass Effect 3.
Now I fully expected the ending to not live to fans expectations, unlike most fans I'm not mad because you can't run off with Liara and have Asari babies.
But seriously, let your writers take part in the god damn ending!

Plus you can tell with each Bioware game released they're getting more streamlined, and DLC & Micro Transaction based.

I grew up on two games (real young) honestly, Halo and Kotor. There were some others like Gladius that had good hours in them, but Halo and Kotor were the main two. And once Mass Effect came out when I was 12 that became my holy grail of all games for the longest time. Never had that title taken away until Tell Tales Walking Dead came out (and even then, it was debatable until Season 2's ending. After that ending Telltale just stole the title outright). And Dragon Age became my older versions Gladius, had a lot of hours in it so it played a big role, but it was not the huge childhood influence that Mass Effect and Kotor were.

So seeing Bioware die out, is like watching my childhood die out. The only thing making it easier to bare is that I now have TellTale to escape to for games with rich story and choices that I originally could only get from Bioware.
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Magic Magnum said
The only thing making it easier to bare is that I now have TellTale to escape to for games with rich story and choices that I originally could only get from Bioware.


When you play Walking Dead season 1 and 2 and Wolf Among Us, you start to see behind the idea of "Choices" that Telltale gives you.

Believe me, there's not much choice as you might think.
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Um well I don't understand. I bought this game, having never heard of her at all until I bought it.

:|

I'm kind of curious about what's happening.
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When you play Walking Dead season 1 and 2 and Wolf Among Us, you start to see behind the idea of "Choices" that Telltale gives you.Believe me, there's not much choice as you might think.


I should clarify, I mean moral choices.

Stuff that makes you seriously question yourself and weigh values.
But in Telltale you don't have the luxury to sit down for 30 minutes and think like in Mass Effect, you have to make them almost instantly which helps add to the experience.
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When you play Walking Dead season 1 and 2 and Wolf Among Us, you start to see behind the idea of "Choices" that Telltale gives you.Believe me, there's not much choice as you might think.


I should clarify, I mean moral choices.

Stuff that makes you seriously question yourself and weigh values.
But in Telltale you don't have the luxury to sit down for 30 minutes and think like in Mass Effect, you have to make them almost instantly which helps add to the experience.
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If any of you guys want to take part in going after the gaming journalism companies, it is really simple - Contact their advertisers.

Some Annon on /v/, I dunno who said EMAIL THESE ARTICLES

>'Gamers' don't have to be your audience. 'Gamers' are over. Exclusive - Leigh Alexander
https://archive.today/l1kTW

>We Might Be Witnessing The 'Death of An Identity' - Luke Plunkett
https://archive.today/YlBhH

>The End of Gamers - Dan Golding
https://archive.today/L4vJG

>A Guide to Ending "Gamers" - Devin Wilson
https://archive.today/2t93l

>The death of the “gamers” and the women who “killed” them - Casey Johnson
https://archive.today/i928J

>TO THERE RESPECTIVES SITE'S ADVERTISERS

POLYGON:

KRAFT

http://ir.kraftfoodsgroup.com/contactus.cfm- EMAIL FORM

SCOTTRADE

https://www.scottrade.com/contact/contact-form.html

eHEALTH

https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/help/emailcontact?productType=IFP&contact=IFP

VERIZON

robert.a.varettoni@verizon.com < EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MEDIA RELATIONS, SO BE FUCKING POLITE

raymond.mcconville@verizon.com < MANAGER OF MEDIA RELATIONS, SO STILL BE FUCKING POLITE

edward.s.mcfadden@verizon.com < EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC POLICY, YOU KNOW THE DRILL.
SMITH'S, A DIVISION OF KROGER

https://www.kroger.com/topic/contact-us
KOTAKU:

Stacksocial
support@stacksocial.com

Ikoid
pr@ikoid.com

Best Buy
onlinestore@bestbuy.com

Indie Game
hello@dailyindiegame.com

THESE ARE SOME BETTER WAYS TO REACH THEM.

BE POLITE AND CONCERNED. FEEL FREE TO USE THE SAME EMAIL FOR EACH ACCOUNT BUT DON'T USE A TEMPLATE.

NewEgg
Wecare@newegg.com < CUSTOMER RELATIONS EMAIL.

ELECTRONIC ARTS (LOL)
CUSTOMERSERVICE@EA.COM

MONOPRICE
SUPPORT@MONOPRICE.COM

AMAZON
JEFF@AMAZON.COM - FUCKING CEO, BE POLITE

swheeler@amazon.com - DIRECTOR OF ADVERTISING AND PARTNER SHIPS

selipsky@amazon.com - VICE PRESIDENT

BEST BUY
laura.bishop@bestbuy.com - VICE PRESIDENT OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS.

GAMESTOP
PublicRelations@GameStop.com
THE ESCAPIST (too easy):

Blizzard
pr@blizzard.com

Roccat
info@roccat.org

Best Buy
onlinestore@bestbuy.com


Be polite, and if enough people do this, Gaming Journalism won't be able to keep acting like this.
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Dipper said If any of you guys want to take part in going after the gaming journalism companies, it is really simple - Contact their advertisers. Be polite, and if enough people do this, Gaming Journalism won't be able to keep acting like this.


As pointed out by Internet Aristocrat, the Journalists are already having to change.

Such as, look at those articles in your quote for example.
Notice how they're all basically "Death of gamers"? When clearly the gaming community is not dead in the slightest?

There's a reason for that, there previous tactics of defending their corruption, zoe quinn and shaming gamers never worked. We just kept complaining, discussing it, spreading awareness on YouTube etc. And largely stopped funding their site's by viewing their stuff. We've forced them already to panic and change tactics into trying to trick people into think we're non-existent. It means our current methods are already working and winning the fight.

And being Polite often ends up translating into sugar coating, not being fully honest. And when it comes to what they did, these Journalists do not need sugar coating. They need to be brutally called out for their shit like they have been getting these past 2 weeks.
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As pointed out by Internet Aristocrat, the Journalists are already having to change.Such as, look at those articles in your quote for example.Notice how they're all basically "Death of gamers"? When clearly the gaming community is not dead in the slightest?There's a reason for that, there previous tactics of defending their corruption, zoe quinn and shaming gamers never worked. We just kept complaining, discussing it, spreading awareness on YouTube etc. And largely stopped funding their site's by viewing their stuff. We've forced them already to panic and change tactics into trying to trick people into think we're non-existent. It means our current methods are already working and winning the fight.And being Polite often ends up translating into sugar coating, not being fully honest. And when it comes to what they did, these Journalists do not need sugar coating. They need to be brutally called out for their shit like they have been getting these past 2 weeks.


Be polite to the CEOs of advertising companies on the websites, I meant, fuck the journalists. And yeah, I know we are winning. I'm saying, here are a list of emails to contact to help kick the asses of Gaming Journalists.

The Fire Rises
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It's a sensationalist tropé; Death of <insert here> is as old as journalism itself. The funny part is that more serius institutions are past the whole thing and covering the fact that E-sports is getting huge and that gamers are entering mainstream as 'athletes'. Making these so called "Gaming Journalists" look twice as dumb in the process.
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Hellis said It's a sensationalist tropé; Death of <insert here> is as old as journalism itself. The funny part is that more serius institutions are past the whole thing and covering the fact that E-sports is getting huge and that gamers are entering mainstream as 'athletes'. Making these so called "Gaming Journalists" look twice as dumb in the process.


Oh it's definitely a sensationalist trope.
It's just that the specific timing of it doesn't make it seem like a typical trope thing, but rather a reaction to how all the heat they've been getting from gamers lately.
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I doubt its a pure reaction of criticism rather then a capitilization on gamers anger. Gamers are gonna get drawn to the bullshit and create adrevenue. EVERYTHING is a business.
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Hellis said I doubt its a pure reaction of criticism rather then a capitilization on gamers anger. Gamers are gonna get drawn to the bullshit and create adrevenue. EVERYTHING is a business.


Perhaps, but considering they are game journalist, so the very people they are crapping on are/were their revenue it's career suicide. Just suicide that gives one last fat paycheck.
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It really isn't. Its attracting attention from other sources while disgruntled gamers will return to shit over their articles. Sensationalism is effective in that regard.
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