<Snipped quote by Dinh AaronMk>Yeah, returning to the same would be impossible.
Utilizing the same technology with a different allocation of materials? Absolutely.
You seem to be under the impression that people in the post-apocalyptic world want Toyota cars. No, they just want cars.
And again, future tech+ people in the Vaults literally spent decades to work out measures that can accomplish what they want with the limited resources.
Microchips, for example. Did you know that CNT is so versatile you can pretty much forget all thoe fancy nanoparticles before?
CNT can theoretically also be created by burning coal. Yes. Of course the actual solution would be more complex and I don't wager to tell the solution to something scientists with better qualifications than me are working on right now.
Similarly, electric power. DMFC which is basically a battery converting methanol and oxygen for electricity. Sure, it'd require platina electrodes. Except it doesn't. Why? CNT. Efficiency can be a problem, too. Except CNT solves that. Dem three letters are good.
Where do you get the tools to make these? Underground CNT fab. Like it or not to house hundreds of thousands of people you practically need to build an underground city. So why stop at the base requirements? Especially in case of sci-fi.
And yeah, CNT is promised to work wonders in so many fields. The inner skeptic in me already tells that half of these would eventuall turn out to be sham.
Regardless, this is sci-fi. This is fiction. As others said we aren't making a paper on theoretical development level of people 200 years after an apocalyptic war in 2080. We write a collective story.
So get used to the pew-pew lasers and other technological elements. No, this does not destroy the setting. Again, Fallout is a longshot from the vision you depicted in your previous posts.

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The problem with the CNT proposal is that though it might be possible: it's one of those things that aren't possible without rubber. And rubber isn't produced native in much of the world. You're not going to find rubber trees in Europe, North America, and synthetic rubber or poly-vinyl may not be on the list of things to produce in oil-producing regions (they might need to fuel their cars, lights, and basic electricity needs as well).

And even without rubber you need to rely on some heavy engineering and incredibly low temperatures to pull argon gas from the air in cryogenic distillation. But then we come to the issue again that the requirements to meet may not be within reach of present societies.

Rubber and vinyl deteriorates, cracks, and becomes brittle over time. I would know: I handle and deal with this stuff when it fails. Rubber and vinyl is the all important sealant for these processes. When they're over-used and gone then so does the product of this level of refinement. Producing the correct sort of CNTs requires sealed environments either totally free of oxygen or comprising an atmosphere of inert gases.

Allowing this too all the same brings us to the point I made in response to Frengo. It shifts the story from relying on remnants to capable able-bodied nation-states, which at that point we would have already restored the pre-existing nations and it's not really post-apoc in the sort the GM appears to want anymore.

The rest can be figured out or re-discovered on the surface. The possible extent of in-shelter manufacturing would be the basic tools and skill for shelter unkeep with spare metal parts to keep fans and wires in check. Anything bigger would mean that you're building a more expensive shelter than need-be with some hard to produce and procure materials inside.

<Snipped quote by Dinh AaronMk>So? In spite of your "experience" this is the first time you hear about synthetic rubber? If needed we can make rubber even out of coal.
And sure, in 2080 we still use rubber seals. Especially for underground factories made to last hundreds of years.
Seriously, just stop. Nobody even cares about this detail here. This is fiction. Get your head warped around it.

Well, then you read something wrong.
For starters the GM wants a nation game with lots of interactions between players. Not a player versus faceless wasteland setting.

Besides, talk to the players who already have power armors and laser guns here.
I don't see any portion of the setting being destroyed, do you?

CNTs wouldn't even be a new, exciting, or resource-insensitive article of technology in 2080.

Seriously, 2080 is 65 years from now. By 2080, railguns and lasers won't be revolutionary, powered exoskeletons will pretty much be a mature technology, and fusion power will no longer be a novelty. The chasm between 2015 and 2080 will be astronomically more pronounced than the rift between the modern era and the 1940s (which is already mindbogglingly huge).

I'm seeing a gross underestimation of humanity's resourcefulness--specifically our capacity to actually record useful information in books (which will outlast any digital storage medium by a long shot).

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You just added a serious amount of steps to the production of rubber, at which point when you have the coal just use it directly to make raw power.

You'd need to now render the coal as a gas, which then need to be mixed with butaidiene. Then when that's all done: it needs to be polymerized with a mix of vulcanization chemicals. And where is anyone in the world going to get half of this? It's already an incredibly difficult process.

At this point, just get a fucking rubber tree. You already need the rubber to perform these processes anyhow.

You're really stretching yourself here.

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>Implying Fallout-like isn't in the title and most of us not in America totally aren't already separated by huge tracts of empty land that OP promises to fill with "native rebellion" for us to make our lives difficult.

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The point in this is to cause a stop and reconsideration per the norms of the setting and the otherwise limited confines in respect to laser rifles.

But I'm beginning to suspect OP doesn't really read anything.

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[Another post about how the knowledge/theory of a something =/= actually being able to do it]

It's like people forget global supply chains and the manufacturing process.

Oh, you meant the lack of civilization? Oh, except the fact every game has several developed cities around.
If a player's nation is more established than a ragtag government then what? The rest of the world is still shit.
You're worrying over nothing.
So long a player doesn't powergame it's all right in my book.

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this RP's Denmark

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The thing with Fallout is: most of the cities are small city-states anyways, and the possession of high-tech has mostly always been on a minority to the point that it's self-contained. Unlike here where the possession of one suit seems to imply that a nation can continue to manufacture existing ones. The materials and supplies of Fallout have been a successive series of working on what came before it. And there was only one faction capable of somehow manufacturing new stuff: The Enclave. The Institute more recently but they're on a severe small scale compared to Osaka and this RP's Denmark or your Yellowstone.

The rest of the Fallout world had to make due with reproducing what was left behind for them. No one was making any new FEV and no one was building new reactors. They were moving about pre-existing parts to re-fab what they needed.

The issue with the way it's being done here is that people are forgetting it and think they can all be NCR around the time of New Vegas; which as a passing reminder I'll toss out they didn't even build their Power Suits, they stole from the BoS who in turn adopted them from the US Army when the world went tits up. So even in the BoS' case they were recycling the previous world and were not carrying out independent, fresh manufacture.

Similarly, the capacity of the vaults was not to continue producing Pip-Boys which meant they were in a severe short supply. Some laptops here might survive but that's it: the global infrastructure isn't in place to produce more just like new Pip-Boys aren't being made in Fallout's world.

There is a rarity to Fallout's high-tech that's being ignored here when everyone can claim to have all the high-tech and produce it flagrantly.

@Willy Vereb, nobody gives a damn but you. � just saying.

I'm here for fun above everything else; leave it to someone to halt the game to be a douche about some minor point and ruin the fun

I was wondering if this would be open for me to join as Ireland, occupying the southern regions, as I see that there already a nation in Ulster?