@thewizardguy

Really man, you always gotta mindfuck with us. The Ruinous Powers already?

@SgtEasy
Meh, I had to think of something to prevent the Outliners from getting soul-wiped. And it only makes sense.

I regret nothing. Justified self defense.

Like Sgt said, I can also nerf my post if you think it is too much.

@GrafRoy Zeppeli

Well, uh, have you heard of a thing called a nexus? You know that kind of portal that vacuums up everything until the intended target is sucked up? That's a spell that Nathaniel has in his spell range. I was wondering how Rb-y would fair against that. (Note that this sends people into the Other Place which would kill everyone that goes there except for spirits and Nathaniel when merged with Bartimaeus).

Well, as I asked before, since R-By is a mesh of a demon, angel and fallen angel (and a little bit of human), would the Other Place still be a risk for him?

Also, he can basically produce light from darkness and he is pretty resiliant, so even if you send him over there, he'll probably study the spirits and end up devising some kind of ritual to return, if that is at all possible.

He could also try to use his Dimension Shatter to stop the portal from sucking him up, but I dunno if that would work. It basically stops any kind of teleportation method, so I dunno...

@SgtEasy
Meh, I had to think of something to prevent the Outliners from getting soul-wiped. And it only makes sense.

Pretty sure soul destruction also qualifies a trip to dead land. Actually the whole point is that they can only die there. Absolis will need to confirm this however since it isn't my universe.

Edit: Why not use this on Apocalypse? That would have been the only case where it'd be necessary. Here it'll just spark, well, unnecessary consequences. Very unnecessary.

@Savato
The Fulgurite is basically a sliver of the Emperor's soul. He can't just go around tossing these things like they're candy. Each holds the power of a soular nuclear weapon. And he did perform soular destruction on Apocalypse, as I recall.

Oh, and this isn't just Soular Destruction. The Fulgurite has the power to kill immortal beings by erasing them from existence. Effectively, it causes you to cease to exist in any meaning of the word. It even erases you from multiple planes of existence. It's pretty much the epitome of annihilation. So I'm pretty sure it'd prevent someone from going to Deadland, as they would no longer exist.

@GrafRoy Zeppeli

Ah well the Other Place isn't really a physical thing that you can touch. The other place is all made up of the essence of the world, every being living their just constantly moving around as their purest form, swirling and being ripped apart and pieced back together almost constantly. When a foreign being comes into the Other Place and tries to settle some sort of order in the chaos (such as imagining its body or any physical thing found in real-world), the being would be destroyed or sent back by demons for even reminding them of their slavery in real-world. If not, they would be turned into mush as the spirits their are something between solid and liquid.

For a more accurate description, go to the wiki.
bartimaeus.wikia.com/wiki/The_Other_Pl..

@thewizardguy Evidently it fits better on three wacky blokes that weren't true threats than an immortal being whom the only way to truly kill is through soul destruction :p Great logic there Nova.

Except this isn't the Warhammer world. This is the Rivard Universe. I'm 99% sure this fluffed up explanation of 'soul destruction' and I guess with a little reality bending still doesn't disqualify for Dead land. Whether friend of foe. (foes can easily escape it too from what I understand).

XD Gosh darn me and my stupid dirty mind.

@SgtEasy I see. Hm, this proves harder than I thought.

Then, what would happen should the target of the nexus suddenly disappear? Would it stop or would it continue?

@GrafRoy Zeppeli

I guess it would sense that the target has disappeared and would disappear itself. I guess when Rb-y disappears, the fight is over? Or to be continued?

Nah, he's gonna call for his zombie and disappear inside her pocket dimension xD

Then go out and be "Congrats, u okay dood"

If that would be allowed, of course. @SgtEasy

@GrafRoy Zeppeli

It would be fine XD. I just imagine that going in my head but can't stop smiling :D. It's to time to head to bed over here however so I need to head to bed.

@thewizardguy don't you think reality transcending bombs that can circumvent the rules of a universe isnt just a little overpowered. If not entirely out of line, since we cant find much of anything stating that nova has the ability to make a reality transcending bomb, and that you knew the special condition the universe has on death?

Secondly, there wouldn't be a chaos god in the Rivard universe. It already has one, and if a chaos god appeared then said rivard universe essential god would have tried plundering it.

Also, those security systems would not be turned off so easily. So yeah. Plus you forget androids. They don't technically have souls. So if yout bomb attacks souls, you still have an android attack force to deal with.

I also just realized something. In one post, you wiped out an organization.

You permenantly killed grimlock @mtntopview

And you made three characters slaves to your chaos god evil characters.

@Absolis
Massively OP. It's the most powerful thing he can do. But just doing it once means he's weakened forever afterwards. It's not like other powers, where he's just channeling the energy of the warp. This is like cutting out your liver and turning it into a bomb. He could make maybe three more, but doing so would kill him. And even that one had a permanent toll on his power. The only reason I even brought that thing up is because I wasn't expecting it to be used. I thought 'instant annihilation of the city' was a fairly good deadman's. My plan was for Ruiko to bring it back, and for the Emperor to absorb it once more.

The Chaos Gods are able to influence other universes through the Warp. But if you prefer that it wasn't a Chaos God I'd happily change it, that was just my idea for an explanation. I had no intention of killing your, or everyone else's, characters, so I made something up to save em.

By 40K universe, everything intelligent has a 'soul' or rather a 'presence within the warp'. The physical capability to think and make decisions causes a being to gain a 'soul'. This includes machines. Hell, there was even a robot with psyker powers. Although it usually doesn't happen, as AI is forbidden in the 40K verse. Hence why I stated that any intelligent AI or computer would be annihilated as well. I figured that any remaining security systems would be fairly easy to circumvert, considering everyone is dead and the lizards have all the time in the world.

@Absolis
Wait, what?

Anyone in Conablum labs is pretty dead, yeah, provided they're not a named character. So Cyano's still gonna have some minions, like those who were stationed in Arcadia-1 and Arcadia-2, and anyone who was in another area of the Rivardverse. But most of em are dead.

I was under the impression Grimlock was on Cybertron. If not, I'd have to make up some reason he survived. Definitely not intending to perma-kill any characters with that splosion.

Also, none of those characters are in any way influenced by or controlled by Chaos. Literally the only thing that happened was that Chaos caused their souls to leave their bodies before the Fulgurite exploded, sending them to Deadland pre-splosion. There was no indication in my post that there would be any long-lasting consequences to this, other than the being dead part, and you seemed fine with that bit.