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MORAL QUANDARIES!

Thank you for showing why someone might turn raider. HELL YES. This is excellent. I will have fun with this.
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MORAL QUANDARIES!

Thank you for showing why someone might turn raider. HELL YES. This is excellent. I will have fun with this.


Seems like I haven't failed quite yet then :p
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Heads up: Been crazy busy with work this/last week. Will hopefully get a post up tomorrow.
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I'll make a post soon, probably tomorrow. Expect ambassadors :D
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@ClocktowerEchosGood, the Patriot brought paper so I can wipe my ass with it >:D
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The listed Cruisers, Destroyers, and I believe the Super Carrier would have been from the U.S. 7th fleet, back before the war. These ships are/were stationed out of Yokosuka Japan.

In an earlier nation sheet, before modifications, I had this fleet sailing back for the continental United States when the bombs dropped. The commander of this fleet would have stopped in Guam, and then Hawaii on the way back. The Missouri would have been anchored in Pearl, and even if Pearl was nuked, she would have still been afloat unless a bombed was dropped right atop of her. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossr..). The same would have gone for the USS Hornet. Even though both ships were no longer in their former glory, the Commander of the 7th fleet would have recognized their value, even if as morale pieces.

The Hornet and the Missouri were to be mainly harbor defense ships, moored/docked most of the time. The main reason to take the Mighty Mo is that old world guns it had upon it, which in theory could be eventually copied and built/produced for other ships. This has yet to happen, as time and money have not been allocated for such.

Overall, its your call, I am not trying to power play, or be the biggest guy with the biggest guns. Just recognize the importance of historical artifacts and their usages for morale purposes.

As for the subs, both are WW2 era class subs, and have yet to been repaired sufficiently for maritime usage. They are in dry dock being studied and worked on for future use, should that time ever arrive. (Long way down the road.)

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The first thing to address is that the average bomb of today is ten times stronger than the payloads dropped during the Crossroads tests and they wouldn't need as direct a hit then as they would now. For reference the bombs dropped - being similar in size as the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki - were about 25 kilotons. The Russian Strategic Missile Force deploys nuclear ICBMs with a payload capacity as high as 250 kilotons (multiple by 4 to 10 to accomodate for the individual 250 kiloton warheads the RS-24 Yars can fire in one missile) or 800 kilotons and the Russian military is committed to expanding their arsenal with the START treaties on the way out; they've already released a report indicating they're looking at nuclear torpedoes for targets like San Francisco or Pearl Harbor. So both ships would still be severely damage.

Even if they did survive too they would require parts no longer in production and likely no one has specs for and demanding means that probably wouldn't ever exist. It's not just taking sheet metal and riveting it to the hull to make them sea-worthy.

And let's not forget how fucking complicated Battleship turrets are. No one in this world is going to be capable of replicating that.

Ships like the Missouri too were far too expensive to refit for the modern era, even for the US military during the 1980's. You're also not likely to find the powder bags required to fire them, or make them anymore; they're not simple gunpowder that could be made out of piss and charcoal. The required cordite is probably a process that disappeared from the large-scale manufacturing process needed to use those guns.

Really, the situation seems like a absurd measure for a command structure that had long phased out the Battleship for reasons that'd be all too apparent for them when they get back.
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This is why the Neo-Con employ these bad bitches

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Due to school, I will be very busy. So, I only have time for one roleplay.

In short, I am dropping out.
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@The Grey WardenAhh, shame to see you go. Have you mentioned this to @Abefroeman?
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@Shorticus Your boys are on their way back, with a metric fukton of wood, grains, dried meats, and pickled vegetables.
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It seems like we are just nit picking and splitting hairs now. I will drop the USS Missouri and the USS Hornet. Is there anything else that needs to be fixed...
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@Shorticus Your boys are on their way back, with a metric fukton of wood, grains, dried meats, and pickled vegetables.


I'm gonna have 'em arrive two turns from now (so, my second IC post after this OOC post). Makes no sense for 'em to arrive back at my place immediately.
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I'm gonna have 'em arrive two turns from now (so, my second IC post after this OOC post). Makes no sense for 'em to arrive back at my place immediately.


Aye, makes sense.
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I have another part of a post ready, but I'm posting the first half now rather than delaying my post any longer. I've been doing a lot of editing.

I'm also unhappy because I couldn't find the perfect music for certain scenes... and I spent hours hunting for it. Which I shouldn't have done.

Expect another post tomorrow - one concerning the Huachua. Also: strawberry ale + strawberry soda = good combo.
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Note: Clock gave me permission to at least post an app for when the RP opens again. So I'm doing that.

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Nine million is considerably high, it's not much lower than the base population of Oregon and Washington combined together. Claiming it to be so high crudely brushes away the stresses that'd be caused from nuclear war. Food supplies would dry up fast and the former medical infrastructure would go the same way. You'd have suffered severe shortages resulting in hunger or even medication or vaccinations to fight otherwise curable diseases.

Post war too, fuel supplies would have been dried up even faster so even cars and farm tractors would stop working. That too doesn't stress the long-term issues that would complicate running even a simple farm-tractor. They and cars might have a reputation as coming off as being very simple machines, but they are really rather complicated.
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Nine million is considerably high, it's not much lower than the base population of Oregon and Washington combined together. Claiming it to be so high crudely brushes away the stresses that'd be caused from nuclear war. Food supplies would dry up fast and the former medical infrastructure would go the same way. You'd have suffered severe shortages resulting in hunger or even medication or vaccinations to fight otherwise curable diseases.

Post war too, fuel supplies would have been dried up even faster so even cars and farm tractors would stop working. That too doesn't stress the long-term issues that would complicate running even a simple farm-tractor. They and cars might have a reputation as coming off as being very simple machines, but they are really rather complicated.


I hate to argue but I will at least defend myself somewhat.

On the issue of population you also must take into account my regional span. I see some other players with considerably less land with almost equal population count. I won't be stating names but for regions on the east coast with considerably more urban and industrial targets you would think they suffered significantly more than those on the West Coast, with only places like Seattle and Portland being significant targets. Regardless I'll bump it down to perhaps 7 million for fairness sake.

Yes, Tractors are very complex equipment. However you must take into account the fact that there is a 50 year span from the point the war began to now. So you would have to assume that all human knowledge after the war simply ceased to exist for your argument to fully work. Plus some of the most technological companies in the world have headquarters and offices in Oregon, Northern Cali, and Washington. So I'm almost positive that at least one barn still stands in the entirety of the Northwest with a operational tractor and that it could be taken apart and modeled into a crude replica over the course of 50 years.

Now on the issue of Fuel I'll agree with you overall. While IRL there are a lot of different military documents about fuel consumption in the case of disasters, I can't back up anything from a Pacific Northwest sense. If we were discussing say the U.K I'd have a more backed argument. So I'll concede on that issue and simply say that agriculture is predominantly through horse-drawn plows.

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I hate to argue but I will at least defend myself somewhat.

On the issue of population you also must take into account my regional span. I see some other players with considerably less land with almost equal population count. I won't be stating names but for regions on the east coast with considerably more urban and industrial targets you would think they suffered significantly more than those on the West Coast, with only places like Seattle and Portland being significant targets. Regardless I'll bump it down to perhaps 7 million for fairness sake.


Whether or not you're a primary target to a nuclear attack doesn't really matter in this instance when the majority of deaths all over the board would be caused by illness or starvation or the crumbling national (or even international) infrastructure that supports the modern population has been removed from underneath the community as a whole. A MAD scenario wouldn't be the thing that kills the most: it's the following effects of social collapse, the loss of food production or even distribution, and the loss of the medical infrastructure that'll start dropping people like flies.

And when you've stated the Canadian territories are largely empty and depopulated it doesn't make sense when your nation is basically at full population for Washington and Oregon.

Yes, Tractors are very complex equipment. However you must take into account the fact that there is a 50 year span from the point the war began to now. So you would have to assume that all human knowledge after the war simply ceased to exist for your argument to fully work. Plus some of the most technological companies in the world have headquarters and offices in Oregon, Northern Cali, and Washington. So I'm almost positive that at least one barn still stands in the entirety of the Northwest with a operational tractor and that it could be taken apart and modeled into a crude replica over the course of 50 years.


Knowledge about the given equipment=/=capability to manufacture.

Just because corporate headquarters are in your given region doesn't mean that you will be able to, since all headquarters are is a centralizing area for the corporate administration. The headquarters aren't involved in the manufacturing process themselves and their corporate body is more than likely totally divorced from the manufacturing process.

For example: John Deere has plants primarily deeper into the Mid-West and these only handle small pieces. Otherwise the rest are in China.

You can't really claim new production of new parts since that requires a significant amount of milling and tooling and dying which would be beyond the capabilities of the post-apocalypse societies. You can really mold a drive-chain the same way you could a rifle barrel.

The matter gets more complicated over-all when the nation would have better things to put their efforts towards and the individuals within as well. A lack of mechanization demands more people to go into the field to try and acquire as many goods as they can with more effort. We're not producing the same amount of food goods as we once were.

Now on the issue of Fuel I'll agree with you overall. While IRL there are a lot of different military documents about fuel consumption in the case of disasters, I can't back up anything from a Pacific Northwest sense. If we were discussing say the U.K I'd have a more backed argument. So I'll concede on that issue and simply say that agriculture is predominantly through horse-drawn plows.


State-mandated fuel consumption rates hardly matter when the state it self is gone, and any group with enough guns can lay siege to any location with a fuel pump.
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