[OOC] American Dream: A Shattered Union

[Shorticus]

MORAL QUANDARIES!

Thank you for showing why someone might turn raider. HELL YES. This is excellent. I will have fun with this.

[ClocktowerEchos]

MORAL QUANDARIES!

Thank you for showing why someone might turn raider. HELL YES. This is excellent. I will have fun with this.

@Shorticus

Seems like I haven't failed quite yet then :p

[ClocktowerEchos]

[DERP]

[Jotunn Draugr]

Heads up: Been crazy busy with work this/last week. Will hopefully get a post up tomorrow.

[Iluvatar]

I'll make a post soon, probably tomorrow. Expect ambassadors :D

[Trigani]

@ClocktowerEchosGood, the Patriot brought paper so I can wipe my ass with it >:D

[Abefroeman]

The listed Cruisers, Destroyers, and I believe the Super Carrier would have been from the U.S. 7th fleet, back before the war. These ships are/were stationed out of Yokosuka Japan.

In an earlier nation sheet, before modifications, I had this fleet sailing back for the continental United States when the bombs dropped. The commander of this fleet would have stopped in Guam, and then Hawaii on the way back. The Missouri would have been anchored in Pearl, and even if Pearl was nuked, she would have still been afloat unless a bombed was dropped right atop of her. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Crossr..). The same would have gone for the USS Hornet. Even though both ships were no longer in their former glory, the Commander of the 7th fleet would have recognized their value, even if as morale pieces.

The Hornet and the Missouri were to be mainly harbor defense ships, moored/docked most of the time. The main reason to take the Mighty Mo is that old world guns it had upon it, which in theory could be eventually copied and built/produced for other ships. This has yet to happen, as time and money have not been allocated for such.

Overall, its your call, I am not trying to power play, or be the biggest guy with the biggest guns. Just recognize the importance of historical artifacts and their usages for morale purposes.

As for the subs, both are WW2 era class subs, and have yet to been repaired sufficiently for maritime usage. They are in dry dock being studied and worked on for future use, should that time ever arrive. (Long way down the road.)

[Dinh AaronMk]

The first thing to address is that the average bomb of today is ten times stronger than the payloads dropped during the Crossroads tests and they wouldn't need as direct a hit then as they would now. For reference the bombs dropped - being similar in size as the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki - were about 25 kilotons. The Russian Strategic Missile Force deploys nuclear ICBMs with a payload capacity as high as 250 kilotons (multiple by 4 to 10 to accomodate for the individual 250 kiloton warheads the RS-24 Yars can fire in one missile) or 800 kilotons and the Russian military is committed to expanding their arsenal with the START treaties on the way out; they've already released a report indicating they're looking at nuclear torpedoes for targets like San Francisco or Pearl Harbor. So both ships would still be severely damage.

Even if they did survive too they would require parts no longer in production and likely no one has specs for and demanding means that probably wouldn't ever exist. It's not just taking sheet metal and riveting it to the hull to make them sea-worthy.

And let's not forget how fucking complicated Battleship turrets are. No one in this world is going to be capable of replicating that.

Ships like the Missouri too were far too expensive to refit for the modern era, even for the US military during the 1980's. You're also not likely to find the powder bags required to fire them, or make them anymore; they're not simple gunpowder that could be made out of piss and charcoal. The required cordite is probably a process that disappeared from the large-scale manufacturing process needed to use those guns.

Really, the situation seems like a absurd measure for a command structure that had long phased out the Battleship for reasons that'd be all too apparent for them when they get back.

[Trigani]

This is why the Neo-Con employ these bad bitches

Naval Vessel

[The Grey Warden]

Due to school, I will be very busy. So, I only have time for one roleplay.

In short, I am dropping out.

[ClocktowerEchos]

@The Grey WardenAhh, shame to see you go. Have you mentioned this to @Abefroeman?

[Jotunn Draugr]

@Shorticus Your boys are on their way back, with a metric fukton of wood, grains, dried meats, and pickled vegetables.

[Abefroeman]

It seems like we are just nit picking and splitting hairs now. I will drop the USS Missouri and the USS Hornet. Is there anything else that needs to be fixed...

[Shorticus]

@Shorticus Your boys are on their way back, with a metric fukton of wood, grains, dried meats, and pickled vegetables.

@Jotunn Draugr

I'm gonna have 'em arrive two turns from now (so, my second IC post after this OOC post). Makes no sense for 'em to arrive back at my place immediately.

[Jotunn Draugr]

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I'm gonna have 'em arrive two turns from now (so, my second IC post after this OOC post). Makes no sense for 'em to arrive back at my place immediately.

@Shorticus

Aye, makes sense.

[Shorticus]

I have another part of a post ready, but I'm posting the first half now rather than delaying my post any longer. I've been doing a lot of editing.

I'm also unhappy because I couldn't find the perfect music for certain scenes... and I spent hours hunting for it. Which I shouldn't have done.

Expect another post tomorrow - one concerning the Huachua. Also: strawberry ale + strawberry soda = good combo.

[Chairman Stein]

Note: Clock gave me permission to at least post an app for when the RP opens again. So I'm doing that.

Cascadia

The Republic of the Cascades

Peace Rules Us!

Nation Type: Unitary, Semi-Presidential, Constitutional Republic (ex. France)

Claims: The Republic of the Cascades currently holds de-jure claims upon Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia. However, a majority of the British Columbian region remains uncolonized and thus, unowned.

Terrain: Nuclear and biochemical arms fell through the clouds and changed our nation, and our world, forever. Not only did these weapons kill countless of millions and destroy our homeland's former glory, but they brought untold and unfathomable damage to our mother earth. Luckily, unlike the wastes to the once metropolitan east, the great mountains of stone protected swaths of land from which Cascadia grew. Had it not been for the Cascade mountains the Republic would not exist. While the Pacific Northwest has retained many of her green forests and even fresh water, places such as Idaho and eastern Oregon paint a different picture. Even before the war eastern Oregon was largely deserts and plains, now even the plains have shrunk and the sand turned to glass in the hellfire. Turning large amounts of the region into what is now 'The Glass Sea'.

In addition to the major changes on the Republic's eastern border, 'Sasquatches' as they are called no longer live as a mere myth. Some call them 'Yetis' in the mountains, but closer to the sea-level these brown-furred half-men dwell where only devoted and professional hunters travel in the great wilderness of the Northwest.

Government Type: Much like the former United States, the Republic of the Cascades is established as a series of 'regions' with their own elected officials representing them in Portland. However, the United States was merely a federal republic. The 'regions' that form the Republic hold far fewer rights and autonomy as the states of America formerly held. Thus, laws are not designated per region, but are law throughout the entire nation. This does not mean democracy is not a precious thing to Cascadians though. In fact, the ideals of democracy still shine bright upon the Rockies. Presidents are elected in a much more direct system and Cascadia lacks any form of 'electoral college'. Instead, elections by popular vote reign supreme in both the Presidential and Senatorial elections.

The Senate of the Cascades is the primary and central authority of the Republic, second only to the President themselves. Within the Senate all 52 representatives from the 13 'regions' of Cascadia vote and decide the fate of our glorious nation.

Capital: The capital of the Republic has been a hotly debated issue since her founding shortly after the Great War. Originally the former politicians and military officials who came together to form the Republic founded the nation in Seattle, Washington. However in a referendum shortly thereafter Portland, Oregon was voted for as the capital. Thus the two cities have a bitter rivalry and ceaselessly bicker over who truly reigns supreme as the 'Home of Cascadia'. However, the Senate and residence of the President reside in Portland as of current.

Head of State: President Joanne Hochins, Cascadian Progressives Party (Social Democrats)
Madame President Hochins currently serves her second term as President of Cascadia and continues to be hopeful for achieving a third and final term to continue solidifying the Progressives position as dominant party in Cascadia. Under the Hochins administration continued environmental protections have been put in place alongside the continued expansion of the coastal economic fund in the hopes of restoring Cascadia's position as dominant producer and supplier of canned fish and other aquatic products.

Other Important People(s):
Vice President Eric Ovkar: Chairman and General Secretary of the Progressive Party alongside his position as second fiddle to President Hochins, Ovkar is believed to be the one of, if not the, primary mover in the Progressive Party. While Hochins leans towards the moderate or centre of the spectrum Ovkar appeals greatly to the more radical of the Party. However he has yet to gain the Far Left's interest.

Senator Nathaniel Birch: Head and Spokesman of the Cascadian Conservative Party. Birch has grown to become a major player in Cascadian politics and has served as opposition to the Progressives for over twenty years. Many of the rural and coastal constituencies of Oregon and Washington remain loyal 'Birchites' and his popularity continues to grow. Under Birch's stated platform, the rest of British Columbia would join Cascadia alongside a full military endeavor in bringing Idaho into the fold.

Field Marshal Richard Ortega: A Hispanic-Cascadian, Ortega holds the singular position as Field Marshal of the Cascadian Armed Forces. While not an expansionist Oretga has long viewed the pacifistic and 'free-willed' Progressives as a hindrance in the goals of the Cascadian Military. However, he remains loyal to his government and nation.

Population: While there is currently no completely accurate 'head count' of Cascadia's population. The general consensus states that the Republic of the Cascades currently holds a population sitting rather statically around seven million.

Attitude Towards Evols: The issue of Evols remains fiercly contested in the political landscape of Cascadia. The Progressives that dominate the Senate and Presidential seat currently hold a rather unpopular coexistence and rehabilitation position on Evols. Stating that Evols, despite the possible dangers, still have humanity and human qualities. Thus, establishing a space for Evols within Cascadia is key.

The Conservatives hold the position that Evols remain dangerous and inhuman. That they are simply animals removed of all humanity, and that it would be mercy to put the creatures to death or at least force them from our borders.

Economic System: The Republic has, since it's founding, held a interventionist stance upon economic matters. The economy should be free and the markets open. However, to keep fairness and prevent the inevitable creation of conglomerates, the state holds the chains of the economy and many nationalized industries exist.

Resources: Due to the lush environment of Cascadia, products such as timber and agricultural goods currently reign as the key trading good of the state. However with the Hochins administration Cascadia has seen a steady increase in coastal investment and thus small fisheries once again have begun to dot the shores.

While they exist, Cascadia has yet to master or truly invest in re-opening and operating the mines that once brought so many families from the east and to the Pacific's shores. However many Conservatives believe major investment and manpower should be put into bringing a legitimate form of industry to Cascadia's markets.

Currency: The Rocky Dollar. A paper-backed non-ore currency with bills ranging from $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $50, and finally $100.

Technology: Cascadia, while far more orderly and stable than many of their stateless neighbors, remains unindustrialized and predominantly agricultural. Cascadians have indeed mastered massed agriculture in the form of horse-drawn plows and other such improvised equipment. This is predominantly due to the state funding of agriculture and organization of state-run major farms.

Militarily few pre-war vehicles such as jeeps or APCs exist in an operational state. As of current there are no operational tanks, rocket-propelled artillery, or combat aircraft in the armed forces or perhaps existence. However, small arms such as automatic rifles, pistols, hand grenades, and the like remain. Plus the Cascadian armed forces prides itself on holding horse-drawn artillery pieces.

Official Religion: Even before the war the Pacific Northwest had few major religious movements. Thus, the Republic holds no official religion or intolerance towards the religious. However, a large amount of Cascadians statistically hold atheistic or agnostic views. The religions that due exist worth mentioning are the always present Protestants and smaller Catholic groups. Plus the capital of Portland holds a minority of Orthodox Christians that have existed in the Oregonian state since before the war.

History: As previously mentioned. Shortly after the shattering of the former United States the surviving politicians and military officials residing in Washington and Oregon came together to prevent their states from falling into anarchy. In the first few years, known commonly as 'the troubled spring', a military tribunal controlled the major cities of Oregon and Washington. This tribunal of Cascadians ruled with an iron grip and used lethal punishments against all acts of banditry. Once peace had been restored to the cities and the rioting and looting ended, the tribunal turned their eyes towards the rest of the region and began a decade of restoration by fire. The settlements that did not immediately concede to Cascadia's new claim to power were put to the sword and many lives were lost to form the initial Republic.

After Oregon and Washington had been quelled of the post-war anarchy and a government was justly established. The tribunal stepped down and allowed referendums on the capital of the nation and the updating of the preexisting constitution of the Cascades. Thus, the Republic of the Cascades as we know it was established with the first elected President being Conservative and former General Cameron Plank. Under the shortly lived Plank administration plans were drawn up for a eventual exploration and 'restoration of order' to Idaho and Northern California. However upon Cascadian explorers finding the existence of a state calling itself 'Jefferson' plans of military expansion south were ceased, much to the embarrassment of Plank. The Plank Map however has remained as both a militarists dream and a general's ambition.

The last eight years have seen a oceanic mindset under the Hochins administration. Joanne Hochins came to power in a sudden surge of urban and even suburban support from the coastal regions in the name of the Progressives. This coastal support has come with a great reward, as Hochins set her entire administration thus far upon putting the Republic upon the ocean. Thus far no military naval armaments have been instated but fishing as both a sport and business has begun to soar over the last decade.

Culture: Cascadian culture is built upon the ideas of liberty with restraint. While all Cascadians have the right to speak, write, and believe as they wish, in the political realm only the major cities hold substantial power. Thus, Cascadians living outside of Portland, Seattle, Salem, and Olympia must band together to have any real say in how the nation is run, represented in the Senate or not. Aside from the minor authoritarian beliefs held within Cascadia, Cascadians hold a strong connection with the arts and the environment. Cultural works flourish in the urban centers of the republic and many of those seeking works in literature, art, and architecture need only venture to Portland or Seattle to find their niche in society.

Military Numbers: The armed forces of the Cascades has seen better days. Currently only seventy thousand men serve in the Mountain Guard. With ten thousand of those men serving as specialists.

Military Units: The Republic's main defense against outside invaders and bandits has, since the beginning, been the Mountain Guard. The Mounties are the backbone of Cascadia's defense, even if they are merely a predominantly conscripted force of fighters from across the Republic. Of the seventy thousand Mounties, ten thousand of them serve in the Cascadian Mounted branch or the Artillery wing. These specialized forces primarily serve on the border, bombing or chasing any bandits who dare raid the villages and other minor communities on the border or colonies of the Republic.

[Dinh AaronMk]

Nine million is considerably high, it's not much lower than the base population of Oregon and Washington combined together. Claiming it to be so high crudely brushes away the stresses that'd be caused from nuclear war. Food supplies would dry up fast and the former medical infrastructure would go the same way. You'd have suffered severe shortages resulting in hunger or even medication or vaccinations to fight otherwise curable diseases.

Post war too, fuel supplies would have been dried up even faster so even cars and farm tractors would stop working. That too doesn't stress the long-term issues that would complicate running even a simple farm-tractor. They and cars might have a reputation as coming off as being very simple machines, but they are really rather complicated.

[Chairman Stein]

Nine million is considerably high, it's not much lower than the base population of Oregon and Washington combined together. Claiming it to be so high crudely brushes away the stresses that'd be caused from nuclear war. Food supplies would dry up fast and the former medical infrastructure would go the same way. You'd have suffered severe shortages resulting in hunger or even medication or vaccinations to fight otherwise curable diseases.

Post war too, fuel supplies would have been dried up even faster so even cars and farm tractors would stop working. That too doesn't stress the long-term issues that would complicate running even a simple farm-tractor. They and cars might have a reputation as coming off as being very simple machines, but they are really rather complicated.

@Dinh AaronMk

I hate to argue but I will at least defend myself somewhat.

On the issue of population you also must take into account my regional span. I see some other players with considerably less land with almost equal population count. I won't be stating names but for regions on the east coast with considerably more urban and industrial targets you would think they suffered significantly more than those on the West Coast, with only places like Seattle and Portland being significant targets. Regardless I'll bump it down to perhaps 7 million for fairness sake.

Yes, Tractors are very complex equipment. However you must take into account the fact that there is a 50 year span from the point the war began to now. So you would have to assume that all human knowledge after the war simply ceased to exist for your argument to fully work. Plus some of the most technological companies in the world have headquarters and offices in Oregon, Northern Cali, and Washington. So I'm almost positive that at least one barn still stands in the entirety of the Northwest with a operational tractor and that it could be taken apart and modeled into a crude replica over the course of 50 years.

Now on the issue of Fuel I'll agree with you overall. While IRL there are a lot of different military documents about fuel consumption in the case of disasters, I can't back up anything from a Pacific Northwest sense. If we were discussing say the U.K I'd have a more backed argument. So I'll concede on that issue and simply say that agriculture is predominantly through horse-drawn plows.

[Dinh AaronMk]

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I hate to argue but I will at least defend myself somewhat.

On the issue of population you also must take into account my regional span. I see some other players with considerably less land with almost equal population count. I won't be stating names but for regions on the east coast with considerably more urban and industrial targets you would think they suffered significantly more than those on the West Coast, with only places like Seattle and Portland being significant targets. Regardless I'll bump it down to perhaps 7 million for fairness sake.

@Chairman Stein

Whether or not you're a primary target to a nuclear attack doesn't really matter in this instance when the majority of deaths all over the board would be caused by illness or starvation or the crumbling national (or even international) infrastructure that supports the modern population has been removed from underneath the community as a whole. A MAD scenario wouldn't be the thing that kills the most: it's the following effects of social collapse, the loss of food production or even distribution, and the loss of the medical infrastructure that'll start dropping people like flies.

And when you've stated the Canadian territories are largely empty and depopulated it doesn't make sense when your nation is basically at full population for Washington and Oregon.

Yes, Tractors are very complex equipment. However you must take into account the fact that there is a 50 year span from the point the war began to now. So you would have to assume that all human knowledge after the war simply ceased to exist for your argument to fully work. Plus some of the most technological companies in the world have headquarters and offices in Oregon, Northern Cali, and Washington. So I'm almost positive that at least one barn still stands in the entirety of the Northwest with a operational tractor and that it could be taken apart and modeled into a crude replica over the course of 50 years.

Knowledge about the given equipment=/=capability to manufacture.

Just because corporate headquarters are in your given region doesn't mean that you will be able to, since all headquarters are is a centralizing area for the corporate administration. The headquarters aren't involved in the manufacturing process themselves and their corporate body is more than likely totally divorced from the manufacturing process.

For example: John Deere has plants primarily deeper into the Mid-West and these only handle small pieces. Otherwise the rest are in China.

You can't really claim new production of new parts since that requires a significant amount of milling and tooling and dying which would be beyond the capabilities of the post-apocalypse societies. You can really mold a drive-chain the same way you could a rifle barrel.

The matter gets more complicated over-all when the nation would have better things to put their efforts towards and the individuals within as well. A lack of mechanization demands more people to go into the field to try and acquire as many goods as they can with more effort. We're not producing the same amount of food goods as we once were.

Now on the issue of Fuel I'll agree with you overall. While IRL there are a lot of different military documents about fuel consumption in the case of disasters, I can't back up anything from a Pacific Northwest sense. If we were discussing say the U.K I'd have a more backed argument. So I'll concede on that issue and simply say that agriculture is predominantly through horse-drawn plows.

State-mandated fuel consumption rates hardly matter when the state it self is gone, and any group with enough guns can lay siege to any location with a fuel pump.