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Jesus Christ on a Pikestaff, must there really be such a lengthy discourse over a Servant who is barely even allowed in the RP in the first place? I'm terrified to contemplate what issue will be found with the Master if this ever gets settled in a manner all can accept, which I find the prospect of to be dubious at best!
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Not!Kojiro was summoned as Assassin, which is the physically weakest class. From my understanding, the Heroic Spirit provides a basis for the stats, then the class provides modifiers of some sort, most notable of which would be Berserker.

However, you're right in saying that you never said Musashi's stats should be worse. I'm just tired of the sour grapes over stats.

On that note, here's my sheet.

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Just saying that I'm not arguing with neither of you. I was just saying that people tend to exaggerate Musashi's skill with the sword when in truth he was a scoundrel more or less comparable to Han Solo. He was good, that's a fact, but in the end what won good battles was scumbag trickery.

It's hard to deny it when his book on combat strategy is literally just a collection of waits to cheat. Out may be efficient, but morally right... that's a whole other ball. game
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Okay, got to admit James Marston as a crazy preacher with the Magecraft of God's Word is pretty cool.
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"Anything that isn't powerwank is morally wrong and Miyamoto Musashi was actually a huge loser." - Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis OOC, 2016
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"Anything that isn't powerwank is morally wrong and Miyamoto Musashi was actually a huge loser." - Fate/Stagnant Apotheosis OOC, 2016


NO one's saying that he's a loser, just a dirty winner, there's a big difference.
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<Snipped quote by Zobozun>

NO one's saying that he's a loser, just a dirty winner, there's a big difference.


Saying the historical Musashi is a dirty scoundrel who stole most of his victories is a bit like saying Diogenes of Sinope was a maddened hobo who deluded himself into being a philosopher. You're dead-on accurate on all accounts, but are deliberately ignoring their actual accomplishments in favor of focusing on their nutbar idiocy. The big thing is that, while Musashi was lazy, unhygienic, and comically hypocritical, he was a legitimately good swordsman.
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Just saying that I'm not arguing with neither of you. I was just saying that people tend to exaggerate Musashi's skill with the sword when in truth he was a scoundrel more or less comparable to Han Solo. He was good, that's a fact, but in the end what won good battles was scumbag trickery.

It's hard to deny it when his book on combat strategy is literally just a collection of waits to cheat. Out may be efficient, but morally right... that's a whole other ball. game


Actually his book on combat strategy is a book on combat strategy, and though it covers primarily swordsmanship, it can be applied to many other Ways. It covers philosophy as much as technique, but also stresses you consider factors like time of day, position, environment, psychological condition, etc. If you pull up most other books on strategy, they'll actually say similar things. I have a copy right next to me if you'd like to hear passages; none of it concerns cheating.

In Kojiro's case he didn't even ambush, it was a head-on duel. Musashi came in via rowboat; Kojiro saw him coming, but Musashi was the better swordsman; he kept cool, whittled an oar, and beat Kojiro to death.
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all this drama and im not even invited
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>mfw I come back an hour later and we're still fucking talking about this

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all this drama and im not even invited


You can jump in anytime you want, though I would not advise doing that. I myself am giving on that because of... reasons.
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"There are other schools that have a fondness for extra-long swords. From the point of view of my martial art, I see them as weak schools. This is because they do not appreciate the principle of cutting the enemy by any means. Their preference is for the extra-long sword and, relying on the virtue of its length, they think to defeat the enemy from a distance. It is difficult for these people to cut the enemy when at close quarters because of the length of the longsword. The blade path is large so the long sword is an encumbrance, and they are at a disadvantage compared to the man armed with a short companion sword."
-Miyamoto Musashi
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How did Jimmy Jameson learn magecraft?
Why would the torture subject confess to, out of all things, the fact that the Church sent one of their many members to a far East country to supervise some random backwater ritual?
Keep in mind that the Church is huge and obscenely powerful enough that Billy's organization won't be much of an actual blip on their radar.
His Church sending meager amounts of magical energy through a long-range Mystic Code won't be enough to maintain a Servant, there's just not enough energy getting moved; I recommend homunculus batteries as an economical and inhumane alternative.
A second-generation magus whose dad didn't seem to do selective breeding with someone who also had Circuits shouldn't have A rank quality.
Skillset and guns are fine.

I'll review Musashi once @IncredibleBee posts an edited format.
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Magecraft: Church Thaumaturgy. He had learned only that one spell that Billy now has.

Torture: If you'd like I could always change it to have been information given to Jimmy during his time in the Church. I just felt the torture and the Church attempting to make the cult commit suicide fruitlessly was a better "story" overall.

Blip on Radar: Have you seen those American megachurches? Think of those, only an empire stretching across America instead of just one. That's the scale I'm thinking, with the actual "cult" being the overly enthralled believers.

Meager Energy: There is a good reason I went with "ease the burden of" instead of "supply the prana necessary to maintain" in The Lord's Link's description.

Circuits: Honestly, the whole magic section was, to me, a big "look at this shit Billy's never going to use!" buffet. The aim was to have stats that would be utterly useless, and the idea of having super few circuits that work really well was too amusing to pass. I don't mind dropping it (it's a meaningless letter to me), but I'd like your opinion after having heard my reasoning first.
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Magecraft: Church Thaumaturgy. He had learned only that one spell that Billy now has.

Torture: If you'd like I could always change it to have been information given to Jimmy during his time in the Church. I just felt the torture and the Church attempting to make the cult commit suicide fruitlessly was a better "story" overall.

Blip on Radar: Have you seen those American megachurches? Think of those, only an empire stretching across America instead of just one. That's the scale I'm thinking, with the actual "cult" being the overly enthralled believers.

Meager Energy: There is a good reason I went with "ease the burden of" instead of "supply the prana necessary to maintain" in The Lord's Link's description.

Circuits: Honestly, the whole magic section was, to me, a big "look at this shit Billy's never going to use!" buffet. The aim was to have stats that would be utterly useless, and the idea of having super few circuits that work really well was too amusing to pass. I don't mind dropping it (it's a meaningless letter to me), but I'd like your opinion after having heard my reasoning first.


Any magecraft not called "Baptismal Sacrament" is heresy and not something the Church would teach.

It's not the biggest deal, but the Fuyuki war is so incredibly irrelevant to literally everyone in the greater world that it doesn't make sense for why it would be viewed as important. If it's just a misunderstood bit of information that the group latched onto and obsessed over, then sure, but in the Church's eyes they don't view it as a big deal.

Oh. I didn't get any semblance of that scale in the profile, but if you edit it to be clearer then it's fine, I suppose.

At the very least, they should be contributing a sizable amount of prana through the contract to maintain the Servant, and should be in the vicinity of Fuyuki. Otherwise there's just too big of a gap there. They don't need to be crippled or comatose or whatever, but it should be a bigger contribution than just a chip.

It's fine thematically, but doesn't work as well mechanically, so in that interest I will have to ask that you lower it to B at the highest; I'd prefer C, honestly.
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Changes made: Jimmy was an orphan adopted by a conman who used magecraft to enhance his cons, then was saved by the Church. Megachurches specified. Wording of the cult learning of the Grail War modified to make it obvious the lead was big only to the cult. The Church of the Lord's Light is now operating a cruise line to ferry large numbers of believers into range of Fuyuki for prana assistance. Stat changed to "B-" to continue not taking stats seriously.

Updated sheet:
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Name: Miyamoto Musashi

Class: Saber

Gender: Male

Appearance:

Wears a plain, dark colored kimono.

Alignment: Neutral

Personality: A man equal parts stern and zen, Musashi's number one goal in life is the status of Japan's greatest swordsman. As he has long since achieved that goal, however, he is no longer a hotblooded young man. Cool and calculating, he has a wit sharper than his sword and is not unwilling to manipulate the enemy. In combat, he's ferocious and clever, and his swords resemble the fangs of a tiger and the claws of a dragon.
His hobbies are painting and woodworking. He has an aversion to baths.

History: Musashi was a famous ronin from 17th century Japan, notorious for being an expert duelist, winning numerous fights throughout his life through a combination of wit and skill. Most famously, he fought and killed Sasaki Kojiro when he was about twenty-nine or thirty. Besides this, Musashi was known for his skills as an artist, philosopher, and writer. He was said to have a rough appearance and mannerisms, despite his skill.
For more information, go to your local library. Or here.

Weapon: Musashi personal weapon consists of a daisho, a matching set of samurai swords consisting of the longer katana and the shorter wakizashi. These utilize the iconic twin ring tsuba he's associated with.

Parameters:

Strength: C

Endurance: c

Agility: A

Mana: E

Luck: C

Class Skills:
Riding: E
Concerns the usage of mounts and vehicles. As Musashi was no cavalryman in life, this is more of a courtesy skill. He has a functional grasp of most vehicles and animals, enough to drive normally.

Magic Resistance: C-
Allows Musashi a basic defense against simpler spells. Due to his being summoned under a false grail, it's weaker than it would be were he a normal Saber.

Personal Skills:
Eye of the Mind (True): A
Despite his countless duels and battles, Musashi mastered many forms of art aside from swordfighting. His powers of observation and analysis have been honed through a lifetime of experience devoted to understanding the Way.

Noble Phantasm(s): n/a
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@Sodium Modifiers on Circuits are weird. The only example we've seen is Touko, but she's equally weird because of her Butterfly Wings so it's reasonable. Basically just remove the minus and settle on either B or C for the Circuits. Alice is Y U M I N A so I don't count her.

@IncredibleBee What does C- Magic Resistance do? As in, what Count/rank of spells does it resist? Is it C rank MR but only in specific situations? If so, what are the situations? Minuses are annoying so you'd honestly be better off just making it C; I'll allow it instead of D since there's only one Personal Skill.
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From the wiki

"Cancel spells with a chant below two verses. Cannot defend against Magecraft on the level of High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals."
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From the wiki

"Cancel spells with a chant below two verses. Cannot defend against Magecraft on the level of High-Thaumaturgy and Greater Rituals."


That's C, yes, I'm asking about C-.

Also please never cite the wiki, it's wrong a lot of the time.
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