Even better if she's wearing her fuzzy pink pajamas and nightcap whilst doing so.

@GreenGoat

What sort of heroes are average though? Heroic spirits are often those who were outstanding one way or the other.

True, but even with them there are degrees of power. For example, take the Heroic Spirits inside Alexanders Army, and I dont mean the foot soldiers, but the generals and his personal bodyguards. At the time all of them were considered great heroes, one of them even carried the shield of Achilles. But most people through history have never heard of them, and could not name them.

Take the Knights of the Round table to, you have Lancelot and Gawain, who are well known even today, but then you have a long, LONG string of lesser names that were only known regionally. Sir Bors, Lamorak, Ector, Gaheris, and a dozen other names. There are a LOT of heroes who were very famous at one time or another, but are not now. If you read Don Quixote for example he rattles off a long list of Knights who were considered the most famous in the world in his time.

The same thing goes for every mythology cycle there is basically. Every major Heroic Spirit has a couple dozen others hanging onto his coattails.

Astolfo is average :V

@Flamelord Astolfo is quite strong, at least comparatively. He has a griffin after all. I'm talking about Heroic Spirits like Mithrenes, Servants who probably have C or D rank stats across the board and a shity Noble Phantasim if any at all.

Astolfo makes up for any deficiencies he may have by being really sexy though.

Astolfo makes up for any deficiencies he may have by being really sexy though.

This tbh.

Astolfo makes up for any deficiencies he may have by being really sexy though.

Truest truth.

For example, in the Volsung Saga Sinfijolti is a hanger on Heroic Spirit to Sigurd, it's fine since he gets a lot of screen time and has his own chapters of the legend. Then however you have another Heroic Spirit one step further removed, a hero named Helgi who accompanies Sinfijotli and performs some great deeds before disappearing.

Helgi would also be a Heroic Spirit, but his stats would probably look something like Strength: C Agility: D Endurance: C
For a Noble Phantasm he has a fairly regular Phantasmal Horse or something.

Helgi would get his ass killed by Lancelot, probably within a few rounds of combat. He would get his ass killed by Astolfo to, because unlike Astolfo he does not make up for his low stats with a kickass Noble Phantasm. There are a lot of Helgi's in difrent legends through history, and it's these Heroic Spirits that someone like Cuchulain is being compared to when it says that he's a truly exceptional Hero.

I'll point to everyone's favorite assassin as an example as a "minor" hero who still proved to be a pretty damn credible threat.

...No, I'm not talking about the murderloli, put Jack down.

...The Savior of France? :D

@ShadowKingman Exactly, though even the Hassans have an edge over someone like Helgi, just because they have the option of fulfilling that niche roll of assassin, while Helgi is stuck on the front lines.

@ShadowKingman Exactly, though even the Hassans have an edge over someone like Helgi, just because they have the option of fulfilling that niche roll of assassin, while Helgi is stuck on the front lines.

...
I-its okay Kojiro, I think you're aweseome at least ;w;

Kojiro was able to push back herc until illya got bored. Granted, Medea was increasing the gravity of herc so he couldn't really move well, but it is still a somewhat impressive feat.

Though I do want to know how Medea's initial reaction to the appearance of herc on her doorstep. Pretty sure it was vietnam flashback time.

@ShadowKingman: I'll say it again. He is the savior of France, and nobody can convince me otherwise.

Kojiro has A+ rank agility and swordsmanship skill coming out the wazoo, that pretty much saves him from being a Helgi or Mithrenes. None of the Servants from the original games really qualify.

@PKMNB0Y

Muh battle of Tours.

@ShadowKingman: I'll say it again. He is the savior of France, and nobody can convince me otherwise.

And there's where you've lost me ;w;

Was there some reference I missed?

@PKMNB0Y By the way, are we still takeing character subscriptions? I still have a character slot left. If someone else is interested in rolling another character would you be open to another pair?

@Beloss

I do have one more slot left; what did you have in mind?

@ShadowKingman: It's an old Grand Order joke. Like, back near release okd. He was basically the only really easily accessible Assasssin to many players during that time, and France is full of Rider Dragons. The class triangle has Sins > Riders.
Dude shredded through them like they were butter.

@Beloss: We have 19 pairs right now. I think we're good to go unless people drop, and even then.

Speaking of which... @LancerOfBlue, please respond in the next 6-9 hours. I wanna keep momentum up.