@The 42nd Gecko

No but you do give Victoire credit for those roses.

Every single time.

@TheWindel We can just save time by crediting Victoire for every Demon victory and still not have that big a margin of error.

This is just a case, in my opinion, of the Demon faction going "If you can't outperform 'em, assist 'em."

@The 42nd Gecko God damnit you lesbian bitch Artoria... (Ha... get it? Lesbian female dog Artoria? Eh? ... Ok I'll be crying in sadness and misery over in the corner thank you very much)

So basically, these demon flowers can fully transform Mephilius into Mephilia again, but also be able to wield fire from said tails, amplified by Ira's black inquenchable flames yeah?

And why must it be Mephilius having the cross-gender shite, I mean jeezus cmon XD

@The 42nd Gecko

I really don't understand what you did on that post there. As far as I know, Artoria's abilities doesn't allow her to change the properties of random props like lava, or to be applied at range by indirect means. Especially when she doesn't even know where that lava is being dumped.

@The 42nd Gecko@KoL

And as far as i know Artoria has no powers of omniceanse. She could only initiate the attack using cameras hacked on her phone or whatever, so she shouldn't even be aware her plan was countered to such a thorough extent.

@KoL@Lonewolf685

Can Artoria use manifest destiny at range on other objects: Yes, she's done so before. Would you care to retcon that?

Can Artoria tell she should? Henry planted the demon flowers on an upper level. Makes sense that Artoria could see that. If had been just Mephilius at the bottom, not seeing it would make sense.

@The 42nd Gecko

Could you refresh my memory as to when she did it at range before? I'd had thought she needed physical contact given all the times she tackles people to transform them, IE Mephilia, Ira, and Henry, but I could be mis-remembering if you can point to a post.

@Lonewolf685 Mephilius was transformed with ice.

I figured ice and lava as similar in opposite sides of the same coin sense.

@The 42nd Gecko

KoL's main gripe is the fact that Artoria used Manifest Destiny without touching something physically and by distance. Going by her CS, it says this:

Manifest Destiny - It is Artoria's personal mission in life to transform everything into cute animal girls, whether they originally be giant robots or insubstantial energy beings, and her sheer force of unstoppable will has granted her the capacity. Upon inflicting what would otherwise be damage* upon a being, Artoria may instead transform them into a cute animal girl in proportion to the damage they would otherwise do. Machina seem to be particularly vulnerable to this, transforming more than they should based on the rather minimal damage punching a giant robot in the shin should. Angels seem rather resistant. Machina also tend to lose more of their power upon such transformation, as they tend to lose a lot of important techno-gear when they cease to be a robot and become flesh and blood, while Angels are frequently already animal people and all their powers still work upon transforming.
*this ability also causes attacks to be treated as type appropriate before considering whether they would do damage. Ghosts, pure energy beings, and immaterial concepts can all be punched into cute animal girl-ness by Artoria's reality warping obsession.

Does that imply Manifest Destiny can only be used via touching the target or is that just fancy word fluff? Furthermore...what exactly did Artoria do to that lava again? It's a bit confusing from your post.

@The 42nd Gecko

Furthermore...what exactly did Artoria do to that lava again? It's a bit confusing from your post.

^ ^ ^ I was going to ask what exactly happened, but Windel beat me to it. All I know is that Mephilius was somehow transformed into Mephilia... again.

@TheWindel

Here is the key phrase that tells you what the ability does: "Upon inflicting what would otherwise be damage* upon a being, Artoria may instead transform them into a cute animal girl in proportion to the damage they would otherwise do."

This is a phrase that gives an example of what the ability does: "Ghosts, pure energy beings, and immaterial concepts can all be punched into cute animal girl-ness by Artoria's reality warping obsession."

This is like saying "I have an infinite storehouse of weapons. I can pull a rocket launcher out and shoot someone with it." That does not mean the infinite storehouse of weapons is limited to rocket launchers.

The very first time I used this ability, it was a ranged attack using ice. Nobody complained about the ability being ranged.

@Lmpkio Unless I made a grammatical error, everything was phrased in the "Unless Mephilius dodges, this is what will happen" sense. So, you still have like, a minute or two before the lava finishes flowing ALL the way down the tower and doing that. Artoria's at the top, you're at the bottom, and although this is very liquid lava with all the extra heat, it still takes awhile for gravity to do its magic.

That said, if you do get hit by the lava, you'll be able to temporarily access its stored power. Artoria supercharged the lava with both your pyrokinesis and Ira's black flame. As you're a fire manipulator (the one who gave Artoria fire manipulation, in fact), you'll be able to access that charged fire with your own pyrokinesis, getting effectively a free charge for your attack, like Eos did for Grafdakka, and also temporarily getting the Black Flame as a nice Buy One Get One Free to surpass your own limits. Of course, when you run out of lava, you'll be back to your own level of power.

@Lmpkio Unless I made a grammatical error, everything was phrased in the "Unless Mephilius dodges, this is what will happen" sense. So, you still have like, a minute or two before the lava finishes flowing ALL the way down the tower and doing that. That said, if you do get hit by the lava, you'll be able to temporarily access its stored power. Artoria supercharged the lava with both your pyrokinesis and Ira's black flame. As you're a fire manipulator (the one who gave Artoria fire manipulation, in fact), you'll be able to access that charged fire with your own pyrokinesis, getting effectively a free charge for your attack, like Eos did for Grafdakka, and also temporarily getting the Black Flame as a nice Buy One Get One Free to surpass your own limits. Of course, when you run out of lava, you'll be back to your own level of power.

No you did say unless he dodges it. I mean, its honestly tempting for him to get hit, but idk. I'll see what Rayona posts first and then continue with it.

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No you did say unless he dodges it. I mean, its honestly tempting for him to get hit, but idk. I'll see what Rayona posts first and then continue with it.

Demon. :P

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Demon. :P

I mean, its honestly tempting to let Mephilius get hit by it. Thats what Im saying lol

@Lmpkio And I'm saying that it's by design, because I'm a demon. :P

@Lmpkio And I'm saying that it's by design, because I'm a demon. :P

Yes... yes you are a god damn demon you demon heretic. :P

I'm working on a post right now. @KoL Since Eos is present and I'm assuming observing the battle, would you think she'd be willing to temporary grant Shizuka golden eyes for her next attack? Or would the song she is giving the Machina be the equivalent?

I'm working on a post right now. @KoL Since Eos is present and I'm assuming observing the battle, would you think she'd be willing to temporary grant Shizuka golden eyes for her next attack? Or would the song she is giving the Machina be the equivalent?

I don't think that that can work, Eos cannot grant that kind of power only on her own. Effectively, she needs the ok from the powers that be, so you need to ask @TheWindel about that.

Her songs are just boosting the Machina kinda like a bard. They are great buffs, but nothing like Gold/Silver eyes.

@KoL

Okay. My post is nearly done then.

@KoL@TheWindel Anyway, if there's still a problem with my post, and you'd like to change Manifest Destiny to melee only, I'd like to get to know soon, and be allowed to change my post before anyone reacts to it. This is because, Artoria would know if her ability never had range, and that would change a LOT of things about her plan of attack, what with all the changes that'd make.