@Anomaly758 AS someone who likes the Rebels, I know it's a myth.

A-And there's the Galactic Republic - which I happen to lead lol

A-And there's the Galactic Republic - which I happen to lead lol

Palpatine is the legitimately elected Chancellor of the Galactic Republic. You're currently committing treason against the sitting government of the Republic, and by definition are technically the leader of the CIS :V

@Assallya

1) Care to provide examples of it being a surprise when starships enter via hyperspace? At the moment I don't recall any such event, other than in (ugh) Disney's Rogue One in which the Devastator interrupts the Rebel retreat.

Episode 2
Attack on Geonosis: The separatist fleet is caught on the ground and annihilated before they could even launch. Great hyperspace sensors there. One could make the argument that maybe the Republic fleet jammed these sensors which leads to the question why wouldn't you preemptively launch your fleet when the sensors started being jammed? This logic applies in nearly every following movie.

Episode 3
Attack on Coruscant: the Republic fleet is completely bypassed as the Separatists invade and kidnap the Emperor before the Republic fleet high tails it and catches the Separatists as they're trying to leave

Episode 4: Sure they know the Death Star is coming but they can't see it coming. There's no countdown, nothing saying they can see the Death Star arriving in twenty minutes. One minute there's no death Star and the next it's maneuvering around the planet.

Episode 5: The Imperial Probe Droid is discovered. They immediately begin to evacuate because there's no way to see the enwmy fleet coming. A good thing too because if Admiral Ozzle(sp?) hadn't come out of Hyperspace on the edge of the system there's no way they'd have seen the Imperials coming.

(Key Vader's line about coming out of hyperspace too early)

Episode 6: The rebel fleet sneaks up on the Death Star II. Thankfully the Emperor forsaw this using the force because no hyperspace sensors saw this coming. The Imperial Fleet thought the rebels were mustering a fleet near Sollust.

Episode 7: Han uses the hyperspace trick to land on Starkiller base undetected since nothing can be detected in hyperspace. It also got them past the planetary shield too which was a bonus. (Also serves as additional proof that Star Wars ships don't have deflector shields, only energy shields)

That's a bunch of examples without even trying or delving into Star Wars Rebels or Cline Wars where Anakin makes this his signature piloting move but it's Empire Strikes Back that takes the cake. The exchange between Darth Vader, Piett and Ozzle definitely concludes any discussion.

In short, " Trust not the wookieepedia. You must unlearn that which you have learned!

On another note, is it too late to submit my Gallifreyan? *Lol* I really want to shoot someone with my paradox gun which kills you five minutes before I got around to shooting you!

Super luminal sensor speed doesn't even make sense (exceptions being space magic like the force) I wouldn't be comfortable with any ship having stock sensors that can work faster without a good justification like...
Well I guess EVE does in the sense of warp capable probes but the 14AU directional scan (that is instant) literally has no basis in physics so I would say it only picks up data at light speed.

I usually review Wookiepedia only as... You know, maybe a little reference? I'm running most of what I've said on what I think makes sense. Jeez, I'm the kind of guy to believe everything he reads on wiki or something. (edit) I mean, I'm NOT the kind of guy to... Yeah, do that.

In any case, unless if there's an official statement, I'm gonna say that Star Wars ships do have sensors with superluminal capabilities. It would be dumb if they didn't, in my humble opinion. Oh, and I'll come back to the argument after reading 50 novels or something.

Are superluminal sensors dumb or would it be dumb if they didn't exist? I'd say it depends on your in-franchise physics. If ships in the franchise use hyperspace, slip space, or some other equivalent then maybe it makes sense not to have it. Very few franchises actually have superluminal sensors. Stargate doesn't. Babylon 5 doesn't. Battlestar Galactica doesn't. Andromeda doesn't. In most of these cases, they don't even have the ability to communicate long distances except by courier. (Star Wars has the holonet which works through the hyperspace beacon network. While B5 uses the Jump Gate network for the same effect.)

Star Trek has superluminal sensors but then, they don't use hyperspace. They fly in real space by bending space in front of them, thus shortening the distance between two points. Having such sensors makes more sense for them. They're also one of the few franchises that can have battles while moving faster than light.

@Sophrus
Superluminal sensors *could* work if there were some sort of particle that moved faster than the speed of light like the mythical Tachyon but yes, you're right, with today's physics it makes no sense. Maybe if someone could bend space... but then, if you could do that you wouldn't need to direct your sensors there, you could just be there and use your own eyes!

@NanoFreakV2 question will we drop in elsewhere or in the middle of the existing cluster fuck?

I feel like new ships dropping in elsewhere would be good for them.

Depends. If the combat will be over by then, I'll have you drop there. Otherwise it will indeed be somewhere close by, but not in the middle of the battle zone.

Also if I may add to the previous discussion. I think it's not a particularly good idea to try and extract hard facts out of any science-fantasy or even science fiction show. There will always be times where a producer or such will go with what's cool and not what makes sense from a scientific point of view.

@NanoFreakV2 If I'm honest I'd rather it if we dropped it somewhere else. There's still a lot of unresolved stuff going on at the battle side of things, even if the battle were over. In terms of "Okay so who are you guys really, why are we here?" Etc.

@NanoFreakV2 If I'm honest I'd rather it if we dropped it somewhere else. There's still a lot of unresolved stuff going on at the battle side of things, even if the battle were over. In terms of "Okay so who are you guys really, why are we here?" Etc.

Agreed, i mean. we never really got a chance to get ourselves organized at all, i think a few moments where our captains can catch our collective breath would be good.

Star wars doesn't have supraliminal sensors. Otherwise the ability to track fleets at hyperspace would be something they have and would not have been a key plot point in the Last Jedi.

Wow. My phone was apparently behind a bit. Sorry. Will catch up.

@Dnafein from how it was explained in TLJ they weren't actually tracking rather, it was extremely accurate predictions.

Also hyperspace trackers do exist, but it's rare tech as the Empire had it just in prototype phase and I guess it was too expensive as it never took off. Instead SW relies on the older style of tracker, that activates when a ship drops out of hyperspace.

@Sep I believe the exact conversation went.

"They are tracking us through Hyperspace."

"That's impossible."

And then something blew up.

As I was saying, the arrival on Hoth demonstrates the idea of a Jack of hyperspace sensors perfectly with Vader, Ozzle and Piett.

Ozzle came out of Hyperspace too early, putting them across the solar system. Vader had assumed Ozzle would have emerged in high orbit to take the rebels by surprise. In response Vader executed Ozzle and promotes Piett.

As for the Last Jedi. The hyperspace tracker was a horrible idea! Any decent writer could have told Rian Johnson that. What he should have done was have a spy on the rebel ship with a hyperspace beacon. Leia, Poe and Holdo could have arguments about how to find the spy while Rose and Finn yelled to board the Imperial Dreadnaught to take down their transmitter array... Or heck, maybe they had a contact somewhere that could identify the traitor.

So many options but instead he bent the universe to fit his story

As for the Last Jedi. The hyperspace tracker was a horrible idea! Any decent writer could have told Rian Johnson that. What he should have done was have a spy on the rebel ship with a hyperspace beacon. Leia, Poe and Holdo could have arguments about how to find the spy while Rose and Finn yelled to board the Imperial Dreadnaught to take down their transmitter array... Or heck, maybe they had a contact somewhere that could identify the traitor.

The Last Jedi is a travesty. Rian Johnson can go fuck himself.

I just didn't want to be faced with real life issues. I go to Stay Wars to escape reality. I don't need social commentary on the 1%, animal cruelty, women empowerment or how common people can sieze their destiny.

I understand Rian Johnson wants to change the world with his writing, what writer doesn't! However... Stay away from my Star Wars!

Ozzle came out of Hyperspace too early, putting them across the solar system. Vader had assumed Ozzle would have emerged in high orbit to take the rebels by surprise. In response Vader executed Ozzle and promotes Piett.

I always enjoyed that theory that Ozzle did it on purpose because he was actually a Rebel sympathizer. Probably wrong, but it's still amusing :V

Personally, as much as I like that, I don't think Ozzle would do that. Maybe if he had family and suspected they might be on Hoth? Otherwise, his position as Admiral of thImperial Fleet would be far more valuable than just one rebel cell, even one so large as Hoth.

I'm really looking forward to the crew of my ship to interest with Samantha Carter. That's going to be a lot of fun.

I'm more interested in the Thirteenth Colony stuff.