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Actually, now that I think about it, if this Zorro guy is a good guy then Jack cant do anything to him since his sword can't cut people with good hearts or something like that. It can only hurt evil people so maybe the Zorro guy would win.


Zoro is a pirate and a criminal. That's probably just enough for the sword to effect him. Even if it doesn't, Jack could still club him with it like it's a reverse-blade sword.
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Zoro's not exactly the easier guy to kill or knock out either.

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Jack still has one very specific thing going for him: he's not afraid to use the environment or otherwise "underhanded" tactics to overcome his enemy. Countless times in his series, we see Jack take on armies of robots using more than just his sword. He makes all manner of different traps, at one point he fought a ninja by their own stealth techniques against them. From what I've seen of One Piece (not much admittedly) Zoro is practically the opposite, falling squarely in the "Honor Before Reason" camp and essentially powering his way through fights using his own sheer force of willpower and swordsmanship. Whether he's "stronger" than Jack is not the only concern, it's whether or not he can outwit Jack and... well from what I remember about him I don't see Zoro as that kind of fighter.
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For me it comes down to the question is if Jack can outlast Zoro. I don't see that happening. Jack can fight long, and he has more techniques to his name but Zoro is a beast in terms of strength, and endurance. He will hold Jack and weather his attacks taking damage and dishing it back out. But Jack will get tired and Zoro will take him down in the long run. It is possible Jack may be able to get a lethal shot in but Zoro is just as quick as Jack is he's got faster than light reaction feats under his belt just like Jack. I may have initially thought to little of Jack but I just honestly don't see him beating Zoro in a drawn out fight. All of this is just because Zoro will be fighting Erza Scarlet in death battle and some people would've preferred Jack over her.
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For me it comes down to the question is if Jack can outlast Zoro. I don't see that happening. Jack can fight long, and he has more techniques to his name but Zoro is a beast in terms of strength, and endurance. He will hold Jack and weather his attacks taking damage and dishing it back out. But Jack will get tired and Zoro will take him down in the long run. It is possible Jack may be able to get a lethal shot in but Zoro is just as quick as Jack is he's got faster than light reaction feats under his belt just like Jack. I may have initially thought to little of Jack but I just honestly don't see him beating Zoro in a drawn out fight. All of this is just because Zoro will be fighting Erza Scarlet in death battle and some people would've preferred Jack over her.


They preferred Jack? Only reaction to that I've seen was something more akin to "I was expecting Kenshin." For the record, Kenshin trounces both Jack and Zoro... easily. The man mastered a style of fighting designed specifically to counter other superhuman swordsmen. All he has to do is avoid heavy damage long enough to analyze either fighting style, work out their weaknesses, and then proceed to exploit the hell out of them before finishing them off with Amakakeru Ryu no Hirameki. But that's a whole other argument.

On the whole, I haven't bothered with Death Battle in a long time. There was far too much shadiness going on with Yang vs Tifa for me to respect or take them seriously anymore. That, and I got tired of always being able to correctly predict Marvel characters winning almost all of their match ups. Two in particular bothered me greatly... Thor and Iron Man, mostly because both of those battles just so happened to be released at the same time as Avengers and Age of Ultron respectively. A little too coincidental if you ask me.
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No. No he really doesn't. Kenshin is normal human. Jack, and Zoro easily are super human. No matter his fighting style both of the players are simply way to fast for him. Maybe if Kenshin fought pre-crocodile zoro he'd have a chance since they're on even terms there he'd win but I don't see him defeating either of them. But you seem ardent on your support for both characters so I'll ask that we agree to disagree on terms of characters.

As for death battle itself I enjoy them but I don't take their fights seriously. Captain easily beats no-prep batman he has no pressure points for batman to take care of, Toph got a hell of a lot of advantages she had in her fight which were all situational on Gaara, and from what I heard Sol vs. Ragna was poorly handled and researched.
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No. No he really doesn't. Kenshin is normal human. Jack, and Zoro easily are super human. No matter his fighting style both of the players are simply way to fast for him. Maybe if Kenshin fought pre-crocodile zoro he'd have a chance since they're on even terms there he'd win but I don't see him defeating either of them. But you seem ardent on your support for both characters so I'll ask that we agree to disagree on terms of characters.

As for death battle itself I enjoy them but I don't take their fights seriously. Captain easily beats no-prep batman he has no pressure points for batman to take care of, Toph got a hell of a lot of advantages she had in her fight which were all situational on Gaara, and from what I heard Sol vs. Ragna was poorly handled and researched.


You've never watched or read Rurouni Kenshin, have you? Kenshin is not a normal human, by any stretch of the imagination. Or was I just imagining all the countless times he moved so fast you couldn't see it and others described it as "God speed"? Or was I imagining those times where he swung his sword so hard and fast it created supersonic wind slashes or sent tremors along the ground?
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As a matter of fact I have watch Kenshin Twice. You're just overblowing the level of the show's power. That's like me taking Hero tales and putting it up on Saiyan Saga DBZ levels. Jack's taken out hundreds of robotic beetles, and fought demons just like others have pointed out on here. Zoro can takes insane amounts of punishment. Kenshin's world is put in fundamentally normal realms of power with Kenshin and the other superior duelists going on to do super human levels of speed. At best I'd put him at super sonic like you said. Last time I checked no samurai can cut a mountain in half like Zoro has. Nor can they fight off the waves of robotic machines by themselves like Jack has. Zoro can create a freaking tornado in the air. More over he has easily cut through solid steel. If Kenshin can somehow even manage to speed blitz Zoro (say with his ultimate technique he used against the final villain of the kyoto arc) if he doesn't instantly kill him with that technique Zoro's going to recover and break Kenshin's sword. Does Casually picking up a building seem normal for ANYONE in Kenshin's universe?

https://i.imgur.com/LHuFaqn.jpg

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Other feats of Zoro can be seen in my other links above and here. Please go take a look at those things. Reddit especially is easier to understand.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/roronoa-zoro/4005-47925/forums/zoro-respect-thread-1535452/

Jack was crushed by a 700-ton sumo and survived it. He also has beaten ancient entities such as the nordic champion guy in his own mountain. He ran across a field some 300 meters or so in length, dodging arrows from 3 supernaturally - enhanced archers capable of firing thousands of arrows per second each (who had previously decimated an entire robot army in the span of a few seconds), and he reached their tower, climbed up to the top, and defeated them. He also did this blindfolded. Saying he can't fight Kenshin is not right.
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As a matter of fact I have watch Kenshin Twice. You're just overblowing the level of the show's power. That's like me taking Hero tales and putting it up on Saiyan Saga DBZ levels. (1)Jack's taken out hundreds of robotic beetles, and fought demons just like others have pointed out on here. Zoro can takes insane amounts of punishment. Kenshin's world is put in fundamentally normal realms of power with Kenshin and the other superior duelists going on to do super human levels of speed. At best I'd put him at super sonic like you said. Last time I checked no (2)samurai can cut a mountain in half like Zoro has. Nor can they fight off the waves of robotic machines by themselves like Jack has. Zoro can create a freaking tornado in the air. More over he has easily cut through solid steel. If Kenshin can somehow even manage to speed blitz Zoro (say with his ultimate technique he used against the final villain of the kyoto arc) if he doesn't instantly kill him with that technique Zoro's going to recover and break Kenshin's sword. (3)Does Casually picking up a building seem normal for ANYONE in Kenshin's universe?

https://i.imgur.com/LHuFaqn.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124715/3968988-5685991206-08.pn.png

Other feats of Zoro can be seen in my other links above and here. Please go take a look at those things. Reddit especially is easier to understand.

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/roronoa-zoro/4005-47925/forums/zoro-respect-thread-1535452/

Jack was crushed by a 700-ton sumo and survived it. He also has beaten ancient entities such as the nordic champion guy in his own mountain. He ran across a field some 300 meters or so in length, dodging arrows from 3 supernaturally - enhanced archers capable of firing thousands of arrows per second each (who had previously decimated an entire robot army in the span of a few seconds), and he reached their tower, climbed up to the top, and defeated them. He also did this blindfolded. Saying he can't fight Kenshin is not right.


1. Okay, but I can clearly recall Kenshin taking on large numbers of ronin and bandits and defeating them just as handily. Those aren't the same as robots or demons, I'll definitely grant you that. But I feel like you're downplaying Kenshin just as much as you say I'm overblowing him.
2. Well... I would argue Seijuro could. But this argument is about Kenshin, not him, so I'll just avoid dragging him into this.
3. One of the Juppongatana was a literal giant. Granted, Seijuro defeated him easily but - given his size - he probably could lift a building. There's a precedent for it is what I'm saying here.
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Very well I can wait. He is very proficient with his powers. But he can't do things that break reality itself. (...). The best way to keep him locked up, for example, is to put him in a giant white box with no cracks, doors, and without his suit. (...). To make Greg fall you have to surprise him, or force him into a situation where he can't reality warp, or use his innate magic powers to get out of it. (...).


I am slightly confused every time I read over this statement. You say that he can't break reality, but the very nature of magic, and especially his abilities, does exactly that. It would also appear that the bulk of his abilities are tied to him having his attire with him. If you would be okay with down playing his damage absorption and used his suit, wand, and hat as a tie to his power, much like Dr.Fate's helmet, I can review him again to see if it would work-out. :)



I like this guy! Approved.



looks interesting. I also have a time traveler android within my repertoire, they can be very fun to play. I am having some difficulty seeing how your character will be fitting into this band of new coming heros though. If you think you can make it work...

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Hey, if you guys are still looking for people then I'm up for Joining in on the fun if you'll have me!

Also @Master Crim, in regards to Samurai Jack vs the Zoro guy, technically Jack never beat Aku (he ALMOST beat him a lot. Lotta bull-shrnarky from Aku if you ask me) but since I don't know nothing about Zoro I'd have to put my vote with Jack too since he's taken on a lot of odds that seemed way to much for him.


We will pretty much always be open, until things become too hectic for me to manage... Might need a to grab my trusty Co-GM if that happens...

>_> @Thantos There may come a time my old friend...

also, I would hate to be the rain cloud of the day, but This Jack vs Zoro stuff is now starting to clog this place. Not saying you guys can't talk about it, but I am gonna say you cant for the time being.

@Almosegosum I am typing my PM to you as you read this!
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@Master Crim - I feel like a target.... every keystroke serves as a beat of the drums - less so a war and more the breaths of doom, gilded from before time in the crimson stained strings of fate! What horrors creep every closer across the digital spectrum to invade my quivering mind!!!
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@Master Crim Hey! Look at mine ya' dingus!
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@Master CrimHis powers aren't tied to his suit but he uses his hammerspace abilities and his ability to reality warp in conjuncture with his clothing. Water from the hat, a hammer/cane from his pants, or hat. A knife up his sleeve. His fake gun to blast powder onto an evil do'er's face or a just to disorient them with a flash. What I meant by he can't break reality I meant that he can't destroy entire planes of existence, he can't warp time (rewind it, flash foward, etc), he can't travel across planes of existence only from one place to another by using a hole (you know those holes cartoon characters use where they go into it but instead of going to the other side the end up somewhere else). He can't make it so that gravity doesn't exist. Things of that nature. As the old saying goes water is wet, ice is cold, and fire burns. He can't change those facts merely alter the conclusion to them. Fire is hot but not hot enough that it will burn me (or I'm wearing something that doesn't burn), water is wet better dry off quickly. You get the point I would hope.
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@Master Crim Hey! Look at mine ya' dingus!


HOW DID I MISS THAT!!!??? SOOOOO SORRY!
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@Master Crim It's cool, just goofin'.
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I can't wait to play my magician
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Just a bit hesitant due to your Bio being a retelling of your character winning the favor of everyone he met. specially when it comes to ancient gods, most times they hated mortals trying to interfere with them and simply smote them for doing so.

BUT~ Assuming that stamina is the bases of his powers and you will no longer have favor from everyone, APPROVED.
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@Master Crim He only won the favor of three, the rest either begrudgingly accepted him or hindered him, and the Egyptian gods were pretty nice when you look at them compared to others, especially Osiris, probably one of the nicest gods in any mythology.

But anyways, thanks!
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@Master CrimHis powers aren't tied to his suit but he uses his hammer-space abilities and his ability to reality warp in conjuncture with his clothing. Water from the hat, a hammer/cane from his pants, or hat. A knife up his sleeve. His fake gun to blast powder onto an evil doer's face or a just to disorient them with a flash. What I meant by he can't break reality I meant that he can't destroy entire planes of existence, he can't warp time (rewind it, flash forward, etc), he can't travel across planes of existence only from one place to another by using a hole (you know those holes cartoon characters use where they go into it but instead of going to the other side the end up somewhere else). He can't make it so that gravity doesn't exist. Things of that nature. As the old saying goes water is wet, ice is cold, and fire burns. He can't change those facts merely alter the conclusion to them. Fire is hot but not hot enough that it will burn me (or I'm wearing something that doesn't burn), water is wet better dry off quickly. You get the point I would hope.


I am sorry, but every time I try to help down play some of your character's abilities and confront what would be seen as a contradiction you only talk around it, and never go about changing it. Your character could not be stopped by most anything thrown at him save for what could be seen as a boss. Even with a powerful character that would have no problem taking on this team, your character's abilities would grant him almost equal levels of fight. If you are not willing to accept my help trying to get him to fit then we are at an impasse. If we were going with a more Teen Titans style of play, I would be more accepting, but this is intended to lean more towards a Dark Knight/Superman/Red Hood style.
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@Master Crim what do you mean my friend...forgive me if its plain to see...but the phrase was a bit...misunderstood on my end
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