Hidden 8 yrs ago 8 yrs ago Post by Fetzen
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Jared was crouched down so its highly unlikely he'd be cut by glass being that a window should be at least 2 - 3 feet off the ground.


He wasn't crouched. He sat ordinarly on a stool in front of the counter for he had just delivered payment for the second beer and the room he had requested prior. Also gravity will alter the shard's trajectory significantly as long as we're not talking about really breakneck speeds (at which we'd face a bunch of other problems).

A railgun in general is pretty easy to make especially if you control electricity. You need two parallel railings that can conduct electricity being two of her fingers probably the pinky and the index finger generate a fair amount of electricity if the projectile (like a coin) can be magnetic it will jump forward the speed of which will be increased the longer it travels (You can make one in your own home with two pieces of thin iron rod, an electrical plug and a coin) just remember middle finger for B-field, thumb for direction of force, and index finger is for direction of current then match vectors.


I am aware of the principle of Lorentz' force. It doesn't have much to do with the item being magnetizeable at all. Every charged particle (that is... protons or electrons) can be subjected to Lorentz force even if it is free floating in vacuum as long as there is a relative velocity orthogonal to the magnetic field's vector. If that would not be the case we wouldn't sit here because no electric generator installed at any power plant in the world would be able to actually create electricity in its copper windigs. And several types of electric motors wouldn't work as well.

Applying the principle of Lorentz' force one can see that a railgun can't work by creating a current that flows in the coin in a circular pattern because the sum of Lorentz' forces would balance out itself. So it is like you said: The current has to be passed from a rail to the projectile, flow through it and then dumped out of the other rail. And this is the point were constructing an effective railgun capable of producting muzzle velocities we're talking about both here in theory and in your post becomes very difficult:

On one hand you have to make create a very, very good electric contact between the rails and the projectiles as possible because every resistance in the way of the current surge will generate a lot of heat: the thing could jam due to thermal expansion of the rails, it could explode because air is heated up rapidly, it could fuse together with the projectile because metals start to melt. Normally good electric contact is achieved by using soft, highly-conductive material like gold-plating (like on your PC expansion cards) in combination with a decent amount of force pressing the contact areas together to flatten any microscopic roughness. There is a reason why this stuff sometimes is a pain in the ass to insert. On the other hand you don't want much force involved, because you need low friction as well. And then all of this has to be maintained even during the violent acceleration phase.

And that's the point where your idea of using a coin-finger-combination completely falls apart.
  • A coin isn't necessarily made out of good conductors. Highly probably it is even covered in smudge like fat, dirt, sweat... All of which quite poor conductors.
  • The human skin resistance is in the several hundreds or even thousands of Ohms.
  • You want to blast the coin out between your fingers while holding it strong enough for it not to drop ? That will generate a lot of friction (a.k.a. injury) in the firing process, added to the thermal stress caused by using high-resistance 'building materials'.
  • Last but not least you don't replicate a bunch of electrons in one finger and collect them in the other. Even in a capacitor there is always as much current going out as it is going in because electrons hate each other and push themselves around if it get's crowded. So by letting a super-high current flow through your hand you'd electrocute yourself quite effectively.
  • According to Newton's second axiom, you would expose yourself to the same mechanical stress as the coin (a.k.a. recoil).


Your railgun in a hand has the potential to amputate that hand in a quite violent manner. Pushing around electrons just by far isn't enough to fix the problems listed here.

If you want to dive into physics one could also consider the fact that a magnetized coin passing through a highly-conductive hunter's net at extreme speed will cause a magnetic flux going through the meshes of the net with an equally extreme time derivative. That is... it will induce currents like an electric generator. And what happens to a generator when it suddenly has to deliver a high current ? That's right, it slows down if it's no longer propelled, because it is delivering power! In this case the power is lost as warmth created by the currents in the net. If one would want to go really deep into this scenario one might shed a light on this effect as well, but I am unwilling to do that because the entire scenario is garbage.
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Thanks for the physics lesson.@Fetzen

Now here is someone talking who has completely no idea about the field. Could you, hypothetically, exert a huge magnetically push force from both sides of the coin, pressurizing it equally from both sides, then just slide your fingers a little backward and watch the coin fly? It's a given that it would require a a lot of strength to close your fingers in order to achieve a lot of pressure.

I'm just talking from the top of my head.
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@Fetzen the hunter in question tucked and rolled at the time the glass broke putting him well underneath the 3 foot height limit

Now yes while your example is 100% correct for a normal human who would have to plan, take steps and collect the materials to perform said action and it wouldn't be in their hands but the person in question were talking about is someone who can generate, control and direct electrical current and energy in general.

The parallel currents on both sides of her arm run up and end at her finger tips creating a muzzle for the gun and as long as the coin itself is metal say a token its entirely possible. And because this person can do this it stands to reason this person would also be resistant to the kick back adding in the fact that she was braced against the flooring. If you control fire would you still get burned?
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@Noxx

Yesss.. but the character in question is not Fet's character and thus still leaves Jared in perfect line up to be hit by glass.

Ps: or at least until I pull him out of the way. Got distracted.
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@WeepingLiberty ....I mistook Kyzler of the other guy huh I completely forgot about other people in the tavern....collateral damage another thing to rewrite
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So essentially everyone just needs to slow their roll for a moment. Until we fix this we can't really move on with the hunters so @Noxx keep me updated with what you're doing so we can get this figured out as quickly as possible.

I'm going to hop into the shower so I don't look like a hobo for work. I'll be back shortly SO NO FIGHTING WHILE I'M GONE. :)
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So it's basically like the Speed Force. You just run fast and the Speed Force within you covers all other inconsistencies.
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@WeepingLiberty There completely re-edited with 30% less collateral damage
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@Dark Light & @Bright_Ops

It means a little editing on your parts, but do you think you can work with Noxx's edit?

No more flying glass so Fetzen's Jared should be alright. NPCs not stepping up can be chalked up to exhaustion from the earlier fight for now...

@Noxx
Just for future reference, assured escape will not be allowed either. This one can slide simply because it's not my job to micromanage posts and I just want us to move along before we're stuck on Night 1 indefinitely.
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@WeepingLiberty Do you expect me to post something now or is Abi still willing to help him get drunk after this mess ?
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By the way, where is Shai?

Edit: I got post 1111 WHOOHOOO!
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As far as I know still outside where the fight with the gnomes took place, With Phoebe, Nox, and a few others. Currently working on a post to have Phoebe do something.
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Or should have I just stood straight and just courtly bowed? Kneeling seems for slaves like that bat lover boy.
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Sorry for the delay... Had some very exhausting and irritating issues I had to resolve by PM.
Post coming up right now.
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Did a thing~

Enjoy Phoebe doing her job and Celia being...Celia~
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As it seemed I'm no longer waiting on anyone and am free to post as I feel soooo time to find Samantha a witch teacher lets see if Hissy is feeling hospitable today
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Sorry to say guys I was out late and I have shift early tomorrow. 13org I promise I'll make a post soon to address the unconcious dragon lady as soon as I can.
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Aight! don't worry too much about it, take your time :-)
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...You are aware that would have to completely rewrite my post because of Noxx's edits, right? After all, if the witch is bugging off Draco has no reason to go into the Paradise at all anymore.
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I'm half tempted to make a hunter with a special fishing rod called "The Bitch Witch Catcher".

So the basic is that you throw it towards the general direction of the witch you wanna catch, and the hook automatically sinks into the cat. So you just have to pull hard in one decisive action to incapacitate any female witch, instantly.

Better say goodbye to your black cats, their gonna get hooked for good by my rod.
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