[OOC] War for the Ragnarok Array

[GreenGoat]

I spy a rabbit pirate. I-is this the start of a rivalry!?

[Nerdy Reference]

I had actually forgotten we're playing host to a Touhou character. Between the space bugs, gods, and future armies, one of the personifications of bullet spam somehow slipped through the cracks.

[GreenGoat]

Please don't bully the bunnies ;w;

[Black Alice]

Isn't full body haki the basic form that armament users use? I'm aware that its not something that's easily acquired on a regular basis, but it's a lot more common in the new world, especially within the more powerful pirate groups.

Vergo, one of the strongest Haki users in the series, was capable of this. And that's pretty much it.

As for the Geppo comment, I have come up with a cool little experiment you can try at home, that's sure to impress the ladies. Try throwing a punch like normal, except halfway through the swing just throw your arm in another random direction.

After a few tries, you may begin to notice a peculiar trend. Its awfully hard to hit your intended target, isn't it?

That is all. Love,
Alice.

[jynmi88]

@Black Alice

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Vergo, one of the strongest Haki users in the series, was capable of this. And that's pretty much it.

As for the Geppo comment, I have come up with a cool little experiment you can try at home, that's sure to impress the ladies. Try throwing a punch like normal, except halfway through the swing just throw your arm in another random direction.

After a few tries, you may begin to notice a peculiar trend. Its awfully hard to hit your intended target, isn't it?

That is all. Love,
Alice.

@Black Alice

I could be wrong but wasn't Luffy using armament haki when Hody Jones bit him? He even mentioned his haki wasn't strong enough to stop attacks at that level, and he didn't take on the onyx black look that Vergo and Pica had when they used the ability. So I assumed that the ability was in use even though he take on the blackish armor look. Even in the wiki article it describes haki as invisible armor. So, the reason why Pica and Vergo become all black when they armor up isn't that their putting the armor on, it's because their strengthening it. That's why when most people really get into a fight they only concentrate their haki into certain areas, because its a more efficient way to use their power. Which may or may not prove me right as at this point I'm not sure if we're discussing full body haki being usable by more characters or if the difficulty involved in doing it is so great it isn't worth the effort. o_O

Uhh. Okay, I think I get where the confusion is as far as Geppo goes, but I could be wrong. I'm not saying that Jack can alter the courses of his attack with Geppo, he only uses it to increase the power. For example if he was going to use the Geppo for the purpose of striking he would draw back his fist for a punch and bounce his elbow off the air thus propelling it forwards for a more powerful attack.

[Black Alice]

You are using your muscles to create a propulsion force, in order to throw a punch with those same muscles in the opposite direction.

Can you see the problem with this?

[jynmi88]

@Black Alice

You are using your muscles to create a propulsion force, in order to throw a punch with those same muscles in the opposite direction.

Can you see the problem with this?

@Black Alice

Not really. First, the muscles used to throw your fist forwards aren't the same ones used to pull your arm back. second, you aren't using both groups at the same time. You're using the ones to pull your arm back first and then you're using the ones that cause your fist to go forwards.

[GreenGoat]

Just from my passing knowledge of One Piece and glancing at the wiki, I don't think Geppo works like how you think it might.

It doesn't have a trampoline effect, it merely allows people to push against non solid stuff like it was solid. Also, trying to bounce limbs off solid objects or stuff with Geppo would be detrimental, I would think, not unless you were to push against it, say like, leaping off the air with Geppo to add more strength to your attacks.

Thats my 2 cents on it anyways. Im just waiting for the map and the IC to start. Hopefully I dont get all my bunnies eaten from underground by those nids ;w;

[Zarkun]

Please don't bully the bunnies ;w;

@GreenGoat

We won't bully you, we'll just nuke you XD

[Zero Hex]

@jynmi88
With armament haki, nothing says the regular, invisible willpower "armor" is particularly hard to apply to the whole body. But that's base level. What isn't regularly done is the more powerful hardening, where they turn black. Only Vergo and Pica, particularly powerful pirates, have been seen to do that to full body extent and their thing was being physically overwhelming.

As for Geppo, your explanation for it doesn't work. Geppo is specifically kicking/hopping off the air (or water) to float and propel the user, you know, like kung fu movies. It translates to "moon walk". Bouncing your limbs also doesn't really add any striking power. Even if it's some magical Sonic The Hedgehog unstoppable trampoline bounce, you're actively ruining your form by exerting force in one direction only to then exert yourself to push it the opposite way. That's not the same as just rearing back to throw harder.

Fortunately for you, a real, effective way to increase striking power is to push your bodyweight into the blow. It's why many knockout punches are accompanied by a small step towards the target or why hooks and kicks twist the waist and pivot the feet, you are putting your weight into a collision. You know what's really helpful for that? Being able to push off of air with your feet to send your entire body hurtling towards a target. Which is done in canon, see: Tekkai Sai. Just be very good at Tekkai Sai.

@Red Alice
Also hello, I'm interested. But don't hold the game back on my account, you start when you planned to and I'll find a way to insert my guy into the game when I get a CS done. Which may or may not take me days, mind.

[Black Alice]

@Zero Hex Better said than what I could manage in the middle of the night on my phone. Thanks.

[jynmi88]

@Zero Hex

@jynmi88
With armament haki, nothing says the regular, invisible willpower "armor" is particularly hard to apply to the whole body. But that's base level. What isn't regularly done is the more powerful hardening, where they turn black. Only Vergo and Pica, particularly powerful pirates, have been seen to do that to full body extent and their thing was being physically overwhelming.

As for Geppo, your explanation for it doesn't work. Geppo is specifically kicking/hopping off the air (or water) to float and propel the user, you know, like kung fu movies. It translates to "moon walk". Bouncing your limbs also doesn't really add any striking power. Even if it's some magical Sonic The Hedgehog unstoppable trampoline bounce, you're actively ruining your form by exerting force in one direction only to then exert yourself to push it the opposite way. That's not the same as just rearing back to throw harder.

Fortunately for you, a real, effective way to increase striking power is to push your bodyweight into the blow. It's why many knockout punches are accompanied by a small step towards the target or why hooks and kicks twist the waist and pivot the feet, you are putting your weight into a collision. You know what's really helpful for that? Being able to push off of air with your feet to send your entire body hurtling towards a target. Which is done in canon, see: Tekkai Sai. Just be very good at Tekkai Sai.

@Red Alice
Also hello, I'm interested. But don't hold the game back on my account, you start when you planned to and I'll find a way to insert my guy into the game when I get a CS done. Which may or may not take me days, mind.

@Zero Hex

Isn't that what I said about armament haki? I mean, I know my reply was a bit of a mess last night but I think the end result was that full body armament haki, while possible to do for most people, wasn't really the most efficient way to go about combat with haki? o_0

Eh. I'll have to think about that. I mean, I'm sure that Geppo could be used to bounce off the air or water as that's the principle behind the move, and could in theory add lots of power to a single limb strike (Fukkuro was able to bounce with a single leg and Lucci was able to shoot himself backwards when LUffy wrapped him up) but the form points do make a lot of sense, and now that I think about it, the character of Jack really isn't one who'd go for something so fancy and risky if it meant throwing off his form. So even if it was possible I should probably take it out anyways.

[DracoLunaris]

So I have just remembered that my char/faction's home universe has cloning technology and there are just so many wonderful specimens to make clone troopers out of, if they can get their hands on the necessary test subject. I'm sure cloning lots of Tyranid, Psionics and force users etc. won't in anyway backfire.

@Red Alice

quick questions, would the CPU installing itself onto the Array's main body's control system count as a victory condition?

[Zarkun]

Sadly, there's only one way the Raiders win, and that's going home.

[Red Alice]

@DracoLunaris

Yup.

@Zero Hex

I understand.

[Zero Hex]

@jynmi88
For the armament haki, was just saying that's how it tends to go since there was some argument about it. Regular invisible force of spirit stuff, fairly average at certain points. Full black coating, done by two dudes who specialized in that.

Yes, Geppo is used to bounce off air or water. With the feet. By jumping, hopping, skipping or otherwise pushing off the non-solid surface with them. It's seriously just kung fu gliding jumps, actual term for that being quinggong, for the kung fu assassins. And yes, I did bring up examples of using geppo to increase the power of strikes, a canon one in fact, that lines up with the actual ways to increase the potency of strikes in real life. There's a reason why the term "arm punch" means a strike with little to no real power, it's because it's one thrown solely with the limb rather than generating power via weight transfer.

But now I'm kinda curious, could you explain how exactly you'd mean to use Geppo to "bounce his limbs off the air" in order to increase the power of an attack? Because I'm not really getting that and I'd like to know, might be cool.

[jynmi88]

@Zero Hex

@jynmi88
For the armament haki, was just saying that's how it tends to go since there was some argument about it. Regular invisible force of spirit stuff, fairly average at certain points. Full black coating, done by two dudes who specialized in that.

Yes, Geppo is used to bounce off air or water. With the feet. By jumping, hopping, skipping or otherwise pushing off the non-solid surface with them. It's seriously just kung fu gliding jumps, actual term for that being quinggong, for the kung fu assassins. And yes, I did bring up examples of using geppo to increase the power of strikes, a canon one in fact, that lines up with the actual ways to increase the potency of strikes in real life. There's a reason why the term "arm punch" means a strike with little to no real power, it's because it's one thrown solely with the limb rather than generating power via weight transfer.

But now I'm kinda curious, could you explain how exactly you'd mean to use Geppo to "bounce his limbs off the air" in order to increase the power of an attack? Because I'm not really getting that and I'd like to know, might be cool.

@Zero Hex

Oh okay. Then yeah, that's how I was seeing the armament haki too. When I put it in my characters' CSs I didn't mean they were all excellent at using it at the same level as Pica, just that it was possible for them to do cover themselves with it.

As far as the Geppo thing, it wasn't anything special. All I was going for was something like this example:
Jack pulls back his arm for a strike. At a certain point he would have his elbow strike the air, causing his arm to shoot straight forward. At that point he would release the tension in his back and bicep, and use his chest and tricep(maybe some shoulder too but that parts always confused me) forwards. Thus adding both his own physical power and the propelling force of the Geppo contact(not sure what its called when someone's feet bounce off the air in One Piece) into a single attack.

[rawkhawk64]

Okay, working on a new CS, with an included faction. I'll try to have it done by tonight. I don't mind if y'all have to start without me either.

[Thecrash20]

Please don't bully the bunnies ;w;

@GreenGoat

I want them a part of the swarm...

No really the few so far I could possibly make allies with. The Raiders maybe if they don't shoot on sight cause of "Muh kekeke".

[CHammer]

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I want them a part of the swarm...

No really the few so far I could possibly make allies with. The Raiders maybe if they don't shoot on sight cause of "Muh kekeke".

@Thecrash20

Considering the last batch of gribbies they fought for the best part of ten years, the Tyranids would be luck if the Raiders didn't FREAK!