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I'd like you to keep in mind in terms of days, and weeks Fate styled roleplays shouldn't last more than two to three weeks at the very most, and that day to day combative fights matter. Knocking out a player, or sealing them for a day is a big deal remember that Artoria Saber was missing her primary sword arm for her second fight with caster, and Diarmuid had to step in to assist her otherwise she'd probably have lost, or at least been injured even more so. So healing preparation time is not something black, and or Red will have a lot of time of. Flight is also a big deal in fates. Flight ranged heroes can sometimes neg certain servants. Take my own Lancelot since I can't reveal Red's roster. Lancelot's only out to flight is unleashing Arondight as a beam instead of Overload.

I'd also like you to keep in mind that his only canonical prototype phantasms are
Harpe
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Bellerophon - It is the same as Medusa's Bellerophon, a Pegasus-handling bridle

So the scythe, and the bag shouldn't even be in there in the first place.

EDIT: Need to get my head together the thing you named the scythe is the harpe so just the bag really.
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On the subject of Harpe, I can cut the anti-heal time down to just like 6~8 hours, and considering he's not like Diarmuid who had Mind's Eye, Knight Tactics, and Gae Dearg to set up this whole ploy where Saber had to take off her armour and then take a really precise hit, I can't imagine it'll be game breaking unless team Red has someone like Spartacus who relies purely on healing.

The sack is one of his canon NPs, it's in his little stat block on the wiki and in the prototype materials, just not in the abilities section on the wiki for some reason. I see what you mean about flight but since he lacks ranged attacks he would only be immune to melee fighters if he decides to flee or something, so it's mostly for flyby attacks where quick fighters have a chance to catch him. I can see it being really hard to counter if our Archer decides to hand over his bow or something, but somehow I doubt that'll happen.
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The only real threats the enemy will have to a flight based opponent will be enemy Saber, because enemy saber is terrifying but it won't be due to anything that he can do weapons wise; and enemy archer because that's their job. The others will have to cheese it. At this point I'll be honest I'm going to have to make enemy archer on a higher tier than I wanted because they'll have the exclusive job of dealing with Perseus whenever he is flying. I'm not even being dramatic he has disengage A on top of his high speed, and his flight how else am I suppose to deal with that? Medusa was so handily dealt in some scenarios with is because Shinji is legitimately awful master who can't properly supply her with mana to make use of her move set because Sakura is her legitimate master.

Be it as it may that he can exclusively only use one noble phantasm at a time according to the wiki two of them have as stated put the other classes in a hard spot. I'm not even sure if he can use Medusa's head on his own but I'm sure i'd not even allow that because that'd be the equivalent of not only empowering the bag but taking Medusa's Mystic Eyes which is a skill of hers on top of taking her mount.

Regarding the heal factor the enemies won't be brain dead like Spartacus but many of them are close range oriented opponents who are battle nuts.

That's not taking into account our other servants who will also be engaging these enemies at the same time. Lancelot, as poor as his skills actually are, is still a tremendous boon to Black Faction, and Foreigner seems to be settling around by disrupting mana flow.
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@Cu ChulainnArash? Arash is fine. Really good archer. His only real downside being he doesn't have anything particularly amazing, and his phantasm blows him up with no recourse.
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I was thinking of either Arash or Robin Hood. Will see what the others app, first.
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Robin's a bit more tricky are poison's a bitch to deal with but he's at least held back by his lack of significant power. But thanks for showing up Cu wasn't sure you'd be back after last time.
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Yeah no problem. I'm out of school at the moment, too, so I'll definitely be free for this. Sorry about before.
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With all those issues around Perseus I might just switch to Lancer and go for Hector instead.
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If that's what you want to do Hector is a perfectly serviceable servant. The only real issue, not for me I mean him in general, is his lack of offensive skills. But his spear cuts through most things.
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Would EMIYA work out, actually? Always been meaning to play him, somewhere...
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If you mean unlimited blade works emit yes but Ill have to put restrictions on the reality marble and phantasm copying
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Lots to do today, so don't expect a Master until at least tomorrow.
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@ManyThingsHector is fine I'll accept him. I'm fine with waiting for his master.
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To be fair, UBW does have the virtue of requiring a Ten Count chant to activate, which gives a big opening to counter it before it begins. As far as tracing goes, this thread should give a better idea on how limited its capabilities are: reddit.com/r/fatestaynight/comments/4…

That being said, I don’t plan on pulling an Excalibur Image or anything of that sort, and EMIYA is already at a bit of a disadvantage given that it’s a Great HGW since he can’t make a copy of Arondight. Really, alot of EMIYA’s strengths comes in his versatility from tracing, and even then, he’s still held back a few paces due to his stats and lack of mastery. If he and Cu continued to fight in the VN up to the last person standing, EMIYA is bound to lose, even with Cu holding back. With his kit as it is, without nerfs, he’d be a good C-tier Servant, and it’s made apparent in all three routes of the VN.

That being said, I don’t plan to make an argument out of this, I’d just like to point out how actually balanced EMIYA’s kit is compared to the rest of the F/SN cast. If he does get nerfed after my explanations have been given into consideration, I might go with Arash after all depending on how severe the nerfs are.
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Yes Emiya isn't expressly overpowered its just that in a team setting getting trapped in a enemy reality marble gives you a great advantage. But with that being said I'll allow it as long as he can't copy the abilities of the enemy noble phantasm in question. It saps originality out of the true versions.
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Hey guys would you like me to buff the enemy team further? I've been considering who I want for Berserker on Red but I'm afraid to make it a certain character for fear of them (Saber, Berserker) bullying Lancelot, our tank, into oblivion together. Saber is already a pretty strong opponent in his own right.
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I don't know anything about the power levels of enemy Servants past, preset, or future, but if he can bully Lancelot the rest of us might be in trouble unless it's more of a specific counter to him. If it's just about physical power though that's what you'd expect from a Berserker so it'll probably not be too insane as long as they're still, well, insane.
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Go ahead. Honestly I like the idea of strong enemies, putting out team at a disadvantage so they need to be tricky.
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@Reflection@ManyThings I'll try to explain myself better: Red Saber's legend is overshadowed by those around him but he is definitely a key figure in his story, and region. What he lacks in power skills he makes up for in prediction, and endurance. Lancelot's advantage on him is that Arondight is not only a holy weapon but it boosts his skills up a rank when wielded. The character in question was originally meant to specifically cater towards the older group, specifically as a foil to Jeanne D'Arc in a way.

Adding Berserker to the mix doesn't make Lancelot any less deadly he still is the knight of the round table's strongest knight as per Arondight's legend, and he makes up for his lack of actual skills like mind's eye by being pretty much a walking armory. Berserker will not bring anything to the table that Lancelot can't at least keep up with, perhaps the noble phantasm would be difficult for him but that's what np's are, but Saber, and the new Berserker together would prove trying for even him. That being said I intend for our berserker, assuming he does not get claimed by someone, to be the famed Ragnar Lodbrok who should even the stage to an extent.

The way I can circumvent this is by replacing Saber with a someone less...prediction hax so to speak. I originally chose enemy saber because his region is criminally underrepresented by the natives there. It wouldn't harm the roleplay, and berserker of red would take over as the big threat disregarding Caster of Red.
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