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I don't mind Evangelion dub, either. There are some anime I kind of heard more of the dub than the sub, like Inuyasha and Evangelion and FLCL. To those ends, I don't mind the dubs at all.

Still, with dubs I really feel like a lot of things just get lost in translation, some emotions aren't transmitted quite right, and there are a few administrative decisions (i.e. localization) that will completely spoil an anime's experience. This is before we even get to truly terrible dubs, though I won't point fingers.

Ironically, one of the better dubs I've ever seen was a Russian (correction) Spanish Fandub for Suzumiya Haruhi... As in, it was better than the official English dub, lol.

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*Logs back online, sees the picture. Blinks*
I have no way to respond to that. I've only got about four episodes left in the The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi, then I'll watch the movie n' stuff. Currently juggling a lot of animes, which I watch over time. Recently finished Hyouka, epic mystery anime.

I watch subs more often than I used to, since a lot of dubs are produced by untrained fans. I remember when I check out the dub for K project... I closed the tab- no, the browser, five minutes into it.
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Having been home schooled, I had a bit too much time to watch anime. Thus, I've probably watched more than I should've and probably shattered my mind in the process.
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Oh right, if you manage to get that Tri4 torrent working, do note that the translator takes an ultra-literal approach to his translations. Having talked to him about it, that's just how he prefers things and he doesn't care how utterly hated the choice was. Just fair warning if you scratch your head at some things seeming stiff.
inb4 my character seems too overpowered and gets outright rejected.
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Wow, you guys talk so much I skimmed most of this and so I have like no idea what anybody is talking about.
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Apokalipse said
Wow, you guys talk so much I skimmed most of this and so I have like no idea what anybody is talking about.


In a nutshell:
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@Traitor

No, no, you're doing it wrong.


@Apokalipse

Basic Jist: Definition of a Sepcarim, why Jedly should change his character to a regular Magestrava, sub vs. dub, and Puella Magi Madoka Magica

All with gifs and weird pictures placed between them.

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... o-o'

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So... I've already spoken with Hanged about this, but seeing as you're so good at explaining things (Kudos to you), Misa... Would you mind explaining the Monks to me? I understand that they use Xi, I just want to know what sort of things they can do. Billie is Monk but she doesn't know it. And as a precaution because her mother kind of figured it, she has a necklace with a rune that sort of hampers with Billie's abilities. The reason why most of her spells backfire but they don't backfire as badly as they would if she were using the full extent of her powers. It's just basically meant to keep her from hurting and/or killing herself. SO, an explanation for this would be much appreciated. I hate to ask for it, but you seem to like explaining things anyway. (I apologize if I'm being rude in anyway. o-o')

Also;
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Eh, spellweaving/working isn't something Sepcarim are supposed to be able to attempt even. At best nothing would happen since, using Billie as an example, she can only draw on the Xi component required. At worst, a Monk attempting to force a spell and reaching for the Sakra and Karma component would die horribly.

As for what a Monk would be capable of, it would probably be very power oriented. Probably use Xi in a manner similar to Chi/Ki and would be some of the most physically robust individuals. More capable Monks might be able to harness Xi into blasts/projectiles, but that would depend if there are other methods of materializing Xi other than using Sakra as a sort of blueprint.

@TheHangedMan I just noticed that there's apparently a difference between Magic and Spellwork/weaving.
Magic - Maians said Each energy has a specific use, and spontaneous use of it without purpose is known as magic. Magistraava are humans that can access and mold these energies for a specific use. This is commonly known as spellwork or spellcasting.

Is it just me/the wording, or is there actually a difference between what Magistraavii do and magic?
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HylianRose said
Would you mind explaining the Monks to me? I understand that they use Xi, I just want to know what sort of things they can do.


Monks, like their related RPG class, are highly physical close combat oriented warriors capable of manipulating Xi, and only Xi. It should be understood that Xi is quite literally the energy of physicality. Generated from the metaphorical and literal core of the body, the heart, Xi in its purest form and purpose is precisely what empowers a living (or undead) creature to move, just like Sakra in its purest form is what enables a creature to have a psyche.

As for what they can do, bear in mind that Xi is one of the primary Maians involved with reinforcement magic involving the body. A monk will always be physically imposing, even if they might not appear that way at first glance, they are the types of people that can wrestle with a bear and win. Furthering their natural ability to manipulate Xi, they can empower their body to achieve otherwise impossible feats of strength, agility, speed and durability. They can do all this reinforcement with highly reduced risk for the ascribed side-effects of manipulating Xi, namely getting a heart attack or frying their nervous system and becoming a paraplegic.

Unlike Sykers that have a drawback of being naturally frail, Monks don't appear to have the drawback of being... well... stupid.

A more advanced Monk should also be capable of ensconcing some of their reinforcement magic upon other people, augmenting their bodies. In truly RPG fashion, monks are also the types of combatants that can make use of Xi blasts, aka short ranged bursts of energy.

The difference between a Monk and a Magestravi skilled in Reinforcement Magic is three-fold. A Monk does not have to think about reinforcing this limb or strengthening this muscle, the monk simply does. A Monk, as mentioned earlier, has reduced risk for the side-effects of manipulating Xi, because to them, manipulating Xi is completely natural as opposed to a Reinforcement Magestrava that is merely borrowing the powers. Lastly, a Monk would be somewhat hard-pressed to augment an inanimate/non-living object like a sword or some clothing, as that would require a degree of manipulation over Karma.

Coincidentally, one of my character's skills is in Reinforcement Magic, so I'll post an excerpt from her profile:
Aoife Halloran said
Reinforcement Magic
Discovering her talent for reinforcement early, Aoife excels at augmenting the performance of her body and the bodies of others. Though weaker and in a less flexible capacity, she is also capable of reinforcing the structure of weapons and armor.

In regards to the body, Aoife can instill physical strength and speed and reinforce the durability of a human far exceeding that of their natural capacity, while skipping any dangers of side-effects or dependencies on her magic. She can, for example, allow herself to run 100 yards in under 5 seconds from a static start, outstripping the performance of even the fastest ground animals. More violently, she can reinforce her arms to the point that her elbows and fists can be compared to steel hammers; with the assistance of magic, Aoife can destroy a helmeted human's head, removing everything from the neck up or shatter a steel sword with a single strike.

More creatively, element manipulation can be combined into the reinforcement spells, weaving effects into the magic like creating literal explosive strikes, affixing push daggers made of ice or compressed stone to the knuckles, or adding pockets of wind to the legs to gift a lightness to the step where the reinforced can defy gravity on a small scale.
Healing Magic
Nowhere nearing her ability to augment the body, Aoife's knowledge of how to magically increase a human's potential proved to be a boon in helping her understand how to heal injuries. Combined with an understanding of spell effects and structures, she is capable of reversing the damage dealt by spells and by physical implements to a level where a much more experienced and specialized healer can take-over.

Inversely, Aoife can utilize the healing class of magic to “incorrectly” heal an opponent in combat, going so far as to ossify joints or create vicious tumors. This is ironically easier for her to do than actual healing, possibly because it’s easier to destroy than to mend. As a Magestrava that respects life and wishes to be on the side of the law, Aoife is reluctant to use this ability.

That's right, I consider Healing Magic to be a slight subset of Reinforcement Magic. Oh, though do note that a Monk can't heal, since that'd require a bit of Karma :P.
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Is it just me/the wording, or is there actually a difference between what Magistraavii do and magic?


It is... mostly the wording. One of the main inspirations for this RP is the Nasuverse, also known as Type-Moon's Unified Principles. In it, magecraft is the ability to utilize mana to affect the world in a way that adheres to the laws of physics, while magic is the ability to break physics, screw the rules, and pull out miracles.

However, in this RP, the distinction appears to be slightly different. I believe that TheHangedMan meant that Magestrava are capable of creating spells using Maians in order to achieve a desired affect, while Sepcarim are capable of spontaneously tapping upon Maians without needing to weave them into a command.

In short:
  • Magic = What Sepcarims do. Spontaneous "miracles" where their Maian completely bends to their will without effort on their part. Magic is... Magical! In a Sepcarim's influence, a Maian technically isn't given a purpose or direction, it is simply manipulated to the Sepcarim's bidding.

  • Spellwork/Spellcraft/Spellcasting = What Magestravi do. Assembled programs that tap on Maians in the surrounding environment and within their bodies. The programs are then executed to achieve the desired effect or effects, this is through the use of giving the Maians a purpose to follow.


At least, that's what I think he's going for.
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Komamisa said However, in this RP, the distinction appears to be slightly different. that TheHangedMan meant that Magestrava are capable of creating spells using Maians in order to achieve a desired affect, while Sepcarim are capable of spontaneously tapping upon Maians without needing to weave them into a command.In short: .

Mhm, that's what I figured he was getting at since Sepcarim don't seem to have that fine control over Maian and simply nudge it, while Magestrava micro-manage every the fine details.

Or basically magic science vs magic. One has some sort of explanation in how the three Maians interact to create the intended effect whereas the other is simply, well I wanted to do this with Xi, Sakra, or Karma so it happened.
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It's of benefit to consider the time it takes to recite an incantation versus simply moving a finger or blinking. Sepcarim have that kind of advantage where their Maians are essentially a part of them, which is also what gives the benefit of reduced penalties for using the Maian they have.
Man, quoting is really bad, here XD.
Oh right, my profile is in the upwards of 20k+ characters. What are the max characters per post, here? Nevermind, figured it out~ I'm safe.
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Komamisa said .Oh right, my profile is in the upwards of 20k+ characters. What are the max characters per post, here?

Actually, I've got no idea, since 17k managed to get posted fine.
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Speaking of 17k. I don't know what amazes me more, that I managed to break 20k with a character profile, or that I managed to break 18k with a single RP post in Game of Tails.

Both were firsts for me, lol.
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I viewed Monks in this RP as DBZ characters. "OMG! THEY'RE POWER LEVEL IS OVER 9000!" I don't see why a well trained monk wouldn't be able to use a "Kamehameha"ish beam... or perhaps more interesting, a "Gentle Touch"ish fighting style.

I loosely linked the magic types here to another spiritual system and I think it clarified the concept. Xi is matter, clay, shapeless energy full of potential. Sakra is form, intent, abstract energy that gives shape to Xi. Karma is nature/essence, it imbues the resulting shaped matter with identity, being the difference between an energy ball, ice ball, fire ball, etc...

So. If Monks control only Xi, they are limited to shapeless energy. Body enhancing is easy because the shape is their being, which is so concrete they don't have to imagine it. I mean, even with your eyes closed, you know where your arm is. They can, at higher proficiencies, project the energy outward, in the aforementioned Kamehameha"ish style, because it's a vector starting from the body. They couldn't, however, use things like a Destructo Disk, because it requires a good deal of shaping and even a tiny bit of nature.

So, all in all, Magistrava have to think about what they're doing, and Sepcarim don't. Sepcarim USE magic, Magistrava WEAVE spells.

I hope my thinking is accurate. Oh... and I made a naughty naughty typo when writing Destructo Disk. Hehehhehehehhe...
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One tiny thing to add: Misa mentioned this in passing, but Monks do not have a "downside", in the form of the Syker's big-brain/small-body dichotomy. I believe the reason for this is scale. A Monk might be able to live to 300 on a sip of water a day, punch through walls and leap tall buildings with a single bound... But a determined Syker can erase a city by manipulating memories, and can exert their will over large swaths of the population, all the while peering into the future to make sure they're on the right track, and taking out rival seers as quickly as they are born (and that's just the stuff Hanged explicitly mentioned).

A powerful Syker would be a very dangerous villain, but they also get the greatest drawback of the three Sepcarim. Considering what they're capable of, whether it's really a drawback or not is debatable, but the intent is there.
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Definitely a good point. That being said, if you can have a monk get close enough, the Syker dies from one hit.

Hmmm. The more we talk about it, the more I wish I had created a shaman character hahaha. Though I'm not disappointed in my character's abilities either.
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Excidius said
Definitely a good point. That being said, if you can have a monk get close enough, the Syker dies from one hit.


:P The Syker already knows the Monk is coming, and has prepared 20 mind-slave Magestravi and a few Monks of her/his own for protection... That's the thing with future-sight characters (see Muad'Dib), they've always got a plan.
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Hence the "if". But I mean come on.. there HAS to be a limit or a weak spot somewhere, lest this turn into Yu-Gi-Oh and we spend pages of posts on flashbacks and "I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO TRY THAT BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH *cough cough hack*"

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Almost forgot... We shall call it the official Progressive Arcanum mind slave dance!


Oh no... It's stuck in my head... Bubblegum Dance and internship reports don't mix >_<
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Weak spots don't have to exist, I think, but in this case there is a big one:

Other Sykers. These people are not alone in their massive abilities. For every one that wants to take over the world, you can bet there's at least one other who already saw it coming and arranged for a crazy Dune-style prescience-manipulation plot in order to stop them before they even start. :) I'm sure it balances out overall.

The implication, though, is that humans and even magestravi are simple playthings, bound to the endless invisible conflicts of seers... x.x Talk about a conspiracy theory. I've just given my character something completely new to fear.
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Oh boy, endless wheels of premonitions O_O I expect at least ten posts of "I know you know, but did you know I knew you knew when you knew I knew what I know now?" *brain explodes*
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