[OOC] Heroes of Beacon - the Next Chapter

[Krayzikk]

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Do you have a n y i d e a how a fusion reactor works? Or what a breach would mean?

At all?

Literally anything?

[MULTI_MEDIA_MAN]

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Frankly, I have no idea what Ozpin's information or intuition is capable of telling him. For all I know Ozpin really does know the whole truth, and the same with Gren. But Ozpin isn't my character to control, so it's up in the air what he's thinking about it. And yes, I am quite aware I'm creating a conspiracy to overthrow Sapphire's position of leadership by attacking her name and mental stability. I thought this was well established around the same time Gren mentioned that he wanted to be the leader. As you are well aware of Multi, I am attempting to have Gren orchestrate many conspiracies to dethrown Sapphire's position of leadership. What I have spoken of recently is merely one plan on the off chance that Gren and Sapphire ever have to fight, which is actually kinda counter intuitive to how Gren wants to assume leadership.

@Lucius Cypher

"Of course Gren wouldn't intentionally try to harm her, just get into position for her to harm him. This relies more on Shiro's willingness to smear Sapphire's name, as well as let Gren be critically wounded."

That's what I meant. His plan is absolutely to intentionally hurt her.

^Also, what Krayzikk said. Gren either has a fusion core inside him (which he doesn't because the amount of shielding required to protect him from the radiation would make him weigh a LOT more) or he has a Dust-powered energy cell of some kind.

Nuclear fusion powers the sun. Having them as a consumable item in Fallout broke immersion for a VERY large number of people. Having it as a permanent feature of Power Armor was one thing, but the technology for a portable nuclear reactor is at least 100 years out. Remnant can't even make a freaking communication system without using a wildly outdated system that is basically Christmas lights.

[Nytem4re]

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Do you have a n y i d e a how a fusion reactor works? Or what a breach would mean?

At all?

Literally anything?

@Krayzikk

Well in his defense, I think he's trying to think of a nuclear reactor type deal.

You can't make a nuclear reactor explode like a nuke. It's physically impossible.

But yes, there is the leaking issue if there was one. and that's what would kill people.

[Eklispe]

But anime though.

[Krayzikk]

I know exactly what he's thinking of. I did the research using them to power mecha in another RPG setting.

Breaching a reactor potent enough to power a cyborg, and his weapon systems, would be catastrophic for anyone anywhere near him.

[Lady Seraphina]

Yo, everyone is a walking armory. Also even if Gren did blow up his fusion core wouldn't be able to destroy all of Beacon. It's suppose to power him, not be a nuclear warhead. He'll need a specific upgrade to do that. Gren's not like some sort of action-movie car that blows up if you hit the gas tank. The worse thing that would happen right now if you damage his fusion core (Which is at the center of his body) is that he'll leak and cause a small radiation leak. As in, within the immediate area around him, not the entire school. And if you've managed to damage or otherwise literally gotten under his skin him so much that you can do direct harm to his fusion core, he has much bigger problems.

@Lucius Cypher

My knowledge of fusion reactors is admittedly limited but I do know that they're the worst kind of reactor to have a containment breach. The tritium isotopes that are used have a halflife of 12 years. This is exactly what you don't want, it is long enough that it can fuck everything up and short enough that there is a good deal of radiation. That tritium will bond with oxygen to make water molecules. Radioactive water molecules. These will make their way into the water table and are impossible to remove because they look just like any other water molecule... except sometimes it'll spit out a high energy electron. If this water is in your body, then that radioactive decay will shoot a high energy electron through you, destroying organic molecules and scrambling your DNA. At the least, this can increase your risk of cancer a marginal amount. At its worst, it could kill you. While fusion meltdowns might not be explosive like fission they are very very dangerous.

That's of course using earth science but still.

[Lucius Cypher]

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Do you have a n y i d e a how a fusion reactor works? Or what a breach would mean?

At all?

Literally anything?

@Krayzikk

Honestly, no, but then again I play it quite fast and loose when it comes to physics in the RWBYverse.

The intention behind having a fusion core is for Gren to have an indefinite power source for his body, similar to Tony Stark's Arc Reactor. However I also drew inspiration from Fallout, as most if not all the robots in the Fallout universe use Fusion Batteries that allow them to continue to operate even 200 year later. However I also chose a purposely less advance and possibly more volatile alternative of nuclear power instead of an Arc Reactor to give the impression that Gren, compared to someone like Penny, uses older quality stuff. He could have a small and more advanced body if he was using the same stuff that Penny is made of, top-of-the-line Atlas android tech, but back in his White Fang days he had to do with stolen technology that he was more or less a propaganda stunt for (Sorta like an evil Robo Cop). The fact that it worked was a happy coincidence that allowed him to get accustomed to his new condition.

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"Of course Gren wouldn't intentionally try to harm her, just get into position for her to harm him. This relies more on Shiro's willingness to smear Sapphire's name, as well as let Gren be critically wounded."

That's what I meant. His plan is absolutely to intentionally hurt her.

@MULTI_MEDIA_MAN

Fair enough. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs. I should be clear: Gren doesn't want to fight Sapphire. But that doesn't mean he won't plan on it. Watching the recent RWBY episode just gave me an idea of how he could use the opportunity, should it ever occur.

[Nytem4re]

I know exactly what he's thinking of. I did the research using them to power mecha in another RPG setting.

Breaching a reactor potent enough to power a cyborg, and his weapon systems, would be catastrophic for anyone anywhere near him.

@Krayzikk

I still have not found anything that suggests a nuclear fusion failure would result in an explosion from government nuclear agency websites.

ec.europa.eu/research/energy/euratom/i..

And as prince of seraphs pointed out it's mainly a leaking issue of tritium that you need to worry about, evidenced here.

nrc.gov/reactors/operating/ops-experie..

So everyone would be getting radiation poisoning. And as the EU website stated, an event of a breach isn't of concern to the local community, just the people extremely close to the reactor itself. It probably wouldn't be a concern to people near it unless they are there for a while.

As long as there is proper containment, which is another story.

[Krayzikk]

I never said anything about an explosion. I'm pointing out the effect of a radiation leak from a reactor that is, by definition, leagues above any fusion reactor we have created today.

Fusion reactor we have today work by heating gasses to their fusion point, and as soon as we stop heating them, they repel each other again. Thus the reaction stops. Any reactor that powers something, and as such creates a net positive energy output, will need to be self sustaining. In other words, when the heating process stops, it will not instantly stop the reaction.

The reaction will continue after reactor breach. Eventually it will collapse, yes, but it is not instant. And until it does you will have an unconfined reaction occurring. Which will both put off a ton of radiation and, yes, have explosive potential. A fusion bomb is by definition an uncontained fusion reaction.

Fusion reactors are only safe by government standards because none of the ones we have created, ever, are on anywhere near the level of what would be powering Gren.

[harinezumikouken]

@Lucius Cypher

Hider

You don't understand, Shiro isn't about smearing people's names and letting people get hurt. You'd have to seriously manipulate him into thinking twisted before that happens. He's more along the lines of "You suck! So-and-so is leader now!"

[Krayzikk]

I never said anything about an explosion. I'm pointing out the effect of a radiation leak from a reactor that is, by definition, leagues above any fusion reactor we have created today.

Fusion reactor we have today work by heating gasses to their fusion point, and as soon as we stop heating them, they repel each other again. Thus the reaction stops. Any reactor that powers something, and as such creates a net positive energy output, will need to be self sustaining. In other words, when the reactor is breached, it will not instantly stop the reaction.

The reaction will continue after reactor breach. Eventually it will collapse, yes, but it is not instant. And until it does you will have an unconfined reaction occurring. Which will both put off a ton of radiation and, yes, have explosive potential. A fusion bomb is by definition an uncontained fusion reaction.

Fusion reactors are only safe by government standards because none of the ones we have created, ever, are on anywhere near the level of what would be powering Gren.

@Krayzikk

Reposting with slight tweak. I misspoke.

[Lucius Cypher]

@Lucius Cypher

Hider

You don't understand, Shiro isn't about smearing people's names and letting people get hurt. You'd have to seriously manipulate him into thinking twisted before that happens. He's more along the lines of "You suck! So-and-so is leader now!"

@harinezumikouken

Hider

I know, which is why he and Gren are going to need to chat at some point after the mission in order to explain this possible plan to him. Hopefully after Gren and Shiro get to know each other more and after Gren feeds Shiro's own dislike of Sapphire.

I'll admit, the bigger trick is getting Shiro to agree to it. Shiro is too nice to do something so ruthless, so maybe I'll have Gren teach Shiro how to... Use his anger intelligently. And have Shiro trust Gren enough to let Gren be hurt for the both of them. Maybe have Gren plant the idea of this into Shiro's head, and all Gren needs to do is give Shiro the push and opportunity to do it.

This is, of course, only if you're willing to have Shiro go down such a dark path, or assuming Gren or Shiro's current opinions about Sapphire never changes by the time something like that could happen. Remember, this is just Plan B. Plan A is much more peaceful and doesn't involve anyone fighting each other.

[Nytem4re]

I never said anything about an explosion. I'm pointing out the effect of a radiation leak from a reactor that is, by definition, leagues above any fusion reactor we have created today.

Fusion reactor we have today work by heating gasses to their fusion point, and as soon as we stop heating them, they repel each other again. Thus the reaction stops. Any reactor that powers something, and as such creates a net positive energy output, will need to be self sustaining. In other words, when the heating process stops, it will not instantly stop the reaction.

The reaction will continue after reactor breach. Eventually it will collapse, yes, but it is not instant. And until it does you will have an unconfined reaction occurring. Which will both put off a ton of radiation and, yes, have explosive potential. A fusion bomb is by definition an uncontained fusion reaction.

Fusion reactors are only safe by government standards because none of the ones we have created, ever, are on anywhere near the level of what would be powering Gren.

@Krayzikk

I think a rp based on a show where they somehow have flying ships and mecha, it's not too hard to believe that someone might have a mini reactor implanted in them (Gren could literally just say he has an artificial limb and I doubt the people checking, if at all, at a metal detector, would try say nope you can't go in.)

And here's the thing, RWBY doesn't follow rl logic strictly. I mean flying military ships, semblances? Mecha?

keyword is "None of the ones we created". Pretty sure RWBY doesn't follow the tech tree of reality. They have plenty we don't have.

How much energy Gren would need is never really specified anyway so there's that. I doubt he needs the full on power a city might need.

Whether the RWBY world is capable of creating a small scale fusion reactor, I will have to admit, is a bit of a stretch.

[MULTI_MEDIA_MAN]

I'd say a Dust-based reactor fits better with lore and has the ability to be just as volatile as Lucius wants it to be (Because DUST/AURA/MAGIC, YO)

[harinezumikouken]

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Hider

I know, which is why he and Gren are going to need to chat at some point after the mission in order to explain this possible plan to him. Hopefully after Gren and Shiro get to know each other more and after Gren feeds Shiro's own dislike of Sapphire.

I'll admit, the bigger trick is getting Shiro to agree to it. Shiro is too nice to do something so ruthless, so maybe I'll have Gren teach Shiro how to... Use his anger intelligently. And have Shiro trust Gren enough to let Gren be hurt for the both of them. Maybe have Gren plant the idea of this into Shiro's head, and all Gren needs to do is give Shiro the push and opportunity to do it.

This is, of course, only if you're willing to have Shiro go down such a dark path, or assuming Gren or Shiro's current opinions about Sapphire never changes by the time something like that could happen. Remember, this is just Plan B. Plan A is much more peaceful and doesn't involve anyone fighting each other.

@Lucius Cypher

Hider

Shiro is meant to be malleable to an extent based on the people he meets and how they interact/treat him.

[Krayzikk]

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I think a rp based on a show where they somehow have flying ships and mecha, it's not too hard to believe that someone might have a mini reactor implanted in them (Gren could literally just say he has an artificial limb and I doubt the people checking, if at all, at a metal detector, would try say nope you can't go in.)

And here's the thing, RWBY doesn't follow rl logic strictly. I mean flying military ships, semblances? Mecha?

keyword is "None of the ones we created". Pretty sure RWBY doesn't follow the tech tree of reality. They have plenty we don't have.

How much energy Gren would need is never really specified anyway so there's that. I doubt he needs the full on power a city might need.

Whether the RWBY world is capable of creating a small scale fusion reactor, I will have to admit, is a bit of a stretch.

@Nytem4re

Frankly, not following real life logic makes it more dangerous. Lucius himself said;

However I also chose a purposely less advance and possibly more volatile alternative of nuclear power instead of an Arc Reactor to give the impression that Gren, compared to someone like Penny, uses older quality stuff.

@Lucius Cypher

Key words are "less advanced" and "possibly more volatile". A fusion reactor in suitably advanced settings could be hand waved as safe due to having certain fictional safety measures, but a less advanced reactor implanted in one's body that may very well not have worked, in a setting that produces most of its technology through Dust, would not have advanced measures like that.

At the bare minimum, a self sustaining reactor breach would produce an immense amount of very, very bad radiation. More likely? An explosion that is, at the size it would be to be implanted in one's body, equal to or just under the size of what we inflicted on Hiroshima.

As in, enough to level a city. And that's without even touching how the tech would be developed given that almost everything in RWBY runs on Dust.

[Lucius Cypher]

Indeed, and if you want more proof of my power-to-size dependencies, in the mission for Team Regret they're carrying a "portable" battery the size of an engine block which will be enough to power the entire fort for a three days. Granted if they know what they're doing they could just use it to kick start the actual power generator of the fort, but still for something about the size of a large cooler, it'll be power a building about as big as a small suburb neighborhood.

[Krayzikk]

Why is anyone even considering allowing a source with power that significant and that volatile to be on a PC where it could blow up or irradiate the entire damn school, again?

Seriously, why?

[MULTI_MEDIA_MAN]

Why is anyone even considering allowing a source with power that significant and that volatile to be on a PC where it could blow up or irradiate the entire damn school, again?

Seriously, why?

@Krayzikk

I'm....pretty sure that's what the past two pages of discussion have been about....

[Krayzikk]

I know. At this point I'm just resorting to wondering aloud what line of reasoning could possibly even result in anyone thinking that such a reactor, whether it could explode or not (and it's been thoroughly established that even by the in-universe quality of the tech, it could), is even remotely a good idea.