[OOC] Champions of Thedas - Dragon Age RP

[Saarebas]

If we are all going to be serious for a second we can't really look at what happened in Kirkwall as a good example of the Templar and Mage relationship. Collectively everyone in the Kirkwall circle, Mage and Templar, were all kind of shit heads. The Mages all took the "mage plight" thing waaaay too far, I don't think being in a former Tevinter helped, and lets face it the Templars in Kirkwall were kind of the stereotype of the crappy overbearing Templar, only a select few in the city were really bearable. Kirkwall was a perfect example of what extremes both groups of people can reach, unfortunately. Most of Thedas had their Mage Templar relationship under okay control, like the Nevarran circle or the Orlesian White Spire, Kirkwall kind of fucked it all up for everyone... Well that is my two cents. Side note I didn't like the two options of either siding with the Mages or Templars at the end, I wanted a third choice to go "Fuck you crazy people, this champion is outty!"

[CAS1006]

@SimplyJohnBoth.

Tower Mages supported in Origins.

Kirkwall mages not supported.

[Genni]

I wanted a third option where you lock all the Templars and Mages in the Gallows and then sell tickets to the civilians to watch them all fight it out without wiping out the town to do it.

Oh, and more romance scenes with Isabela.

[SimplyJohn]

So overall the party's in favour of supporting the Mages in Ferelden, but opposed to supporting them in Kirkwall, only supporting the Templars as the lesser of two evils?

[McHaggis]

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[Genni]

@SimplyJohn I'd agree with that. The mages in Ferelden weren't to blame for what happened in the Circle, but the ones in Kirkwall let loose the blood magic and bombs way too easily.

Even though the Templars were asses, they should've called for outside assistance rather than causing an open rebellion.

[CAS1006]

@SaarebasRight, but at least the Templars would defend the parties not involved.

And realistically, yeah one man does not equate to a whole group, but anyone in any government goes to profiling of what anyone is because no one would know how to rationalize that. You involved an innocent party. And killed said party.

But even in retrospect, these choices are grey. Yeah, mages do really fucked up shit. They are a step away from demons eveytime they do magic and feel oppressed because they are powerful? That is an illogical view and should instead of feel oppressed, they should go "Being here is less likely to harm the innocents." but no, they rather be selfish.

The Templars would rather only take down such a group, one group that can use any person as fuel for dark arts. I rather side with those Templars simply because "One group to endanger all other groups."

[McHaggis]

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[Genni]

EDIT - Also rivalled Merril please? It feels dirty supporting her doing all of the stuff with demons. And it seems to make her stronger at the end of it.

@McHaggis

On the other hand, there are up sides to getting dirty with Merrill, and backsides too. >D

[Adorabadass]

I'm ambivalent to Kirkwall. If Hawke supported the Templars, then Freddy will hate them. If she was pro mage, Freddy likes her. That's my only concern.

[SimplyJohn]

EDIT - Also rivalled Merril please? It feels dirty supporting her doing all of the stuff with demons. And it seems to make her stronger at the end of it.

@McHaggis

I'm not really looking at the rivalry/friendship mechanic, since that was all about Hawke who's currently on the other side of the known world to the party.

I think we already agreed that Merrill survived the Kirkwall incident along with her clan, but after the rebellion was taken back in by them as a last resort to help keep them safe from all the wandering Mages and Templars threatening to kill them for one reason or another.

I'm ambivalent to Kirkwall. If Hawke supported the Templars, then Freddy will hate them. If she was pro mage, Freddy likes her. That's my only concern.

@Adorabadass

Since we might be heading into the Free Marches it's something to consider, as it'll set the scene for what's happening across the region.

[CAS1006]

@McHaggis Okay, remove Bethany from this equation because in truth, it is a grey choice.
But as stated, Mages can use anyone for fuel in terms of magic, and this is proven.

Yes, Ferelden's circle was pretty nice and not all Mages are bad.

Petrice was a bitch, and not a Templar, in fact she is why the Arishtok attacked to begin with.
Also, Isebella is another reason why the Qunari were even there in the first place.

So yeah, Collectivly the Templars can be dickish, and even do vile things because they are people like anyone else.
But even then they mean well as an order by keeping others away from those who could otherwise sacrifice for power. Yeah, don't even pretend mages don't do that.

Also, let's not forget the large hordes of mages that flat out defect that just straight up do blood magic so they can basically say "Fuck everything." And this was long before the Templars increased their grip.

And, if you have a high enough realationship with Isabella, she stays with you anyways. So it isn't about what is "appealing" to her and your sister.

Let's also not forget Meridith is just a cruel character that even her own men side against. They are not for killing innocent people, but the tower became so corrupt because of revolts.

I rather same the many nameless factions vs the one faction that can use anyone as fodder fuel.

[McHaggis]

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[SimplyJohn]

So yeah, Collectivly the Templars can be dickish, and even do vile things because they are people like anyone else.
But even then they mean well as an order by keeping others away from those who could otherwise sacrifice for power. Yeah, don't even pretend mages don't do that.

@CAS1006

*coughTevintercough*

And, if you have a high enough realationship with Isabella, she stays with you anyways. So it isn't about what is "appealing" to her and your sister.

@CAS1006

As I've already put a pin in a romance with Isabela for the Champion that's actually an argument in favour of the Templars, since she'd only have stuck around because of her love for Marian.

[CAS1006]

@McHaggisYeah... because feeling oppressed justifies bringing demons right...?

[CAS1006]

@SimplyJohn Guessing I won?

[McHaggis]

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[SimplyJohn]

@SimplyJohn – Oh... That's fine then. Think we'll meet up with her clan in RP then? (With a cameo of a much wiser Merrill, hopefully?)

@McHaggis

The RP will basically involve the Company drifting from one job to the next across the continent, so I don't want to say we definitely will meet them, but if we head to Kirkwall at some point we might meet them.

Then again, they must've rebuilt their aravels by now, I mean it's been like five years and they can't still be sitting around complaining their rides got trashed.

A big question would be whether Merrill repaired the Eluvian or not. Would it be something which still exists for our RP to make use of, or did it get destroyed because Hawke was a wimp who got scared of a little demon pact blood magic?

[Saarebas]

Okay fellows how about we all agree that both groups have their shares of good people and complete ass hats as well as both have the potential of being monsters *cough cough blood mages cough cough red Templars cough cough Paxton* XD We can not argue for one group with out realizing that they are just as bad as the other, the only difference is what name they do there killing and heinous acts in. Either in the sake of Maker given freedom or the worry of others, both good intentions but ultimately death is still death

[SimplyJohn]

Meredith was making mages who already went through their Harrowing Tranquil which is soooo awful and I think the reason why it feels just wrong supporting the Templars. I think that justifies their response to oppression considering they'd lose their free will and emotions and everything that makes them human x)

@McHaggis

Except we now have a cure for that. Cassandra discovered it as part of her rise to power, it was a similar technique as the one used on her when she became a Seeker.