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To contextualise why former IR and paladins are pretty much out-of-rank:
  • The Iron Roses are by and large made up of people who have already proven themselves. The order as a whole is much stronger than any military force of remotely comparable size. Even the people who get in for other weird reasons are probably Rank 6 at a starting point. Long story short? They're not comparable to average adventurers.
  • Paladins, on the other hand, are both highly trained and supported by the church and the goddesses. Blessed equipment is ubiquitous, Reonites have literal flaming weapons... and as part of their duties they're often knights errant, who go out and do standard adventurer jobs which can be entirely unsupported. So maybe a paladin literally fresh out of training would be Rank 6 or 7.
  • Combining both of them you have a paladin that was exceptional enough to be inducted into a selective knightly order. There is no way anyone of that rank would ever be able to masquerade as a novice.


I think the rank breakdown is like...
1-3: Total novices or those with no talent whatsoever.
4-7: The average competency one would expect, whether by lack of experience or lack of skill or lack of drive to push harder.
8-Knight: Experienced, strong, capable; generally at this point there's less and less jobs that you aren't ALLOWED to take (if any), just given a safety warning. Like, nobody's going to let a rank 7 go dragon-hunting. Page? Sure, just be careful... and ffs take friends.
Queen+King+Arcana: Congratulations, bards are writing songs about you.
Tyaethe Radistirin


Over with the religious delegation, Tyaethe had run dry of much to talk about--by and large, matters of ecclesiastical jurisdiction rarely concerned her, and she was hardly one for scholarly debates or determining which temple particularly needed renovating or if there was a pressing need for some facilities to be replaced. Tyaethe still held that it would be a good exercise to send some paladins in training to the Iron Roses for practical experience and to reaffirm the order's character; but as usual was countered with the Order's expertise being too great to allow such green recruits. Which was annoying, what did they think she planned to do, use them as dragon bait?

Once everyone involved had confirmed whether anything had happened regarding the order's erstwhile saint (as ever, nothing on a practical or revelatory front) or her numerous relics (all accounted for, Tyaethe probably needed to dust them when there was nothing more important to do), the vampire had returned to drinking and watching the party. The princess seemed to be making a good impression on her compatriots, and they weren't embarrassing the order--that was a step up.

Elwen... it was a strange choice to invite her to the party, but on the other hand it was nice to have her under direct supervision. So long as she didn't drink half the court's wine and start a drunken brawl with real weapons.
They're very much married though, it would not be appreciated. :P
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@TheFake Accepted

@PaulHaynek I thought I said multiple times to not involve the Iron Roses. It doesn't work. Any paladin in the IR is by default out of the acceptable ranks for one, even if they're pretending to do something else. For two... paladins can't run and hide; Maoyn would just tell someone else where to find them (remember, they're sworn clergy in a fantasy setting). For three, that wouldn't even be a betrayal of religious principles.

But seriously, no. We said to not do this.
@Cleverbird Okay... so no, that's not acceptable. On a fundamental level sentient undead are made pretty much immediately and often starting with a living person because they just don't work given time to decay and the soul to completely leave the building; consequently aside from being pale and generally quite chilly (though with magic involved they can work on those) there's no sign of undeath, no glowing eyes. You could maybe, maybe get a grey pallor and major injuries stitched up but any later and... it won't work. You have a monster.

The other thing that can't be accepted is, honestly, just how overly edgy it is. A berserker that could easily start being a teamkilling asshole at any time, the whole "tear you limb from limb and run off and brood for sixty years"... and, sorry, that image. Not only is it spiky and ridiculous, but it's kind of unacceptable to have an undead character wandering around carrying people's skulls. This isn't Warhammer 40k.
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Mix of job performance and skill. If you got a knight from a prestigious order showing up they'd have to be really good at faking incompetence to get a low rank, IIRC.
@PaulHaynek I'd say leave anyone related to the Iron Roses like that out of it. We're not entirely done with that rebellion and its aftermath over there. Or the family.
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