Ruby

Ask an Admin, v2.

Kindly don't delete my posts either. Sadly I didn't get the posts around it, but as you can see, it actually was posted here.

Ruby, I love this site. I love the people I write with and I want it to succeed. I've never personally spoken to you, so it's not as if I'm here for a personal vendetta. I'm not here in bad faith, but you've deleted my post anyway. The solution I proposed was far from radical; in fact, I think it would fix most of this issue. All any of us want is a little accountability and transparency.

Public discussion is necessary because it forces accountability. If mods or admins can't (or won't) stand by their actions in the public eye, then that gives the user base a reason to doubt the validity of those actions. That's why we're so suspicious of this "bring your issues to PMs" policy.

@Obscene Symphony

Kindly don't delete my posts either. Sadly I didn't get the posts around it, but as you can see, it actually was posted here.

Ruby, I love this site. I love the people I write with and I want it to succeed. I've never personally spoken to you, so it's not as if I'm here for a personal vendetta. I'm not here in bad faith, but you've deleted my post anyway. The solution I proposed was far from radical; in fact, I think it would fix most of this issue. All any of us want is a little accountability and transparency.

Public discussion is necessary because it forces accountability. If mods or admins can't (or won't) stand by their actions in the public eye, then that gives the user base a reason to doubt the validity of those actions. That's why we're so suspicious of this "bring your issues to PMs" policy.

@Obscene Symphony

Don't hijack my thread. Look at the OP and tell me what question you're asking. That's why you got deleted. That's why I'm gomma have to lock this thread soon.

Kindly don't delete my posts either. Sadly I didn't get the posts around it, but as you can see, it actually was posted here.

Ruby, I love this site. I love the people I write with and I want it to succeed. I've never personally spoken to you, so it's not as if I'm here for a personal vendetta. I'm not here in bad faith, but you've deleted my post anyway. The solution I proposed was far from radical; in fact, I think it would fix most of this issue. All any of us want is a little accountability and transparency.

Public discussion is necessary because it forces accountability. If mods or admins can't (or won't) stand by their actions in the public eye, then that gives the user base a reason to doubt the validity of those actions. That's why we're so suspicious of this "bring your issues to PMs" policy.

@Obscene Symphony

I'm just trying to keep this thread from getting hijacked. Was your post asking me a question? No? That's why it got deleted.

Ask an Admin, v2.

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Okay but that's not what was discussed. The point of this site is roleplay, and nobody in question right now ever hurt those fundamentals. People went to the status bar because it seems other methods have failed (largely on account of being deleted for no reason lol) and it reaches the largest amount of people without shitting up IC. Banning people for OOC/Meta critique on the other hand is actually very damaging to the fundamental of the site: roleplay. There is evidently a lot more trolling from the people with ban privileges than the people without.

And pardon me but how does:

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or:

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or my personal favourite:

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qualify as good faith? To me it seems like most people were only following the tone set by this (and that's just the first page), and to remove posts for following the example set by moderation seems nonsensical at the very least.

@Andreyich

That's me reacting to bad faith with the same. You don't get to take shots at me without risking getting some eye rolls. You've trolled me for literally years. This isn't new to you.

Ask an Admin, v2.

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What so you mean "be subject to the site rules" in this context? I have been trying my best to avoid breaking them all up to now, so this reads as if I'm doing something wrong by default. Are you really allowing me to post the thread, or are you simply saying "go ahead and try it because I will delete it anyway?"

I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but I do get the feeling it is the latter. I apologise if I assume incorrectly, but I do wish to confirm you are not out to shut down this hypothetical thread the moment I post it.

@Skullwombat

Every single person who has posted something personal about me today doesn't know me and has never spoken to me outside of site staff. If even then. So...at this point all I can do is let the vocal and angry vent. They'll assume what they want. About me in particular.

Post it. If it gets personal and petty/starts breaking site rules a site mod will close it or delete it or both. I have a RL I desperately need to get back to so it probably won't be me. But understand I have people asking me to stop THIS thread. So I don't think it's prophecy to say it probably won't last long. But who knows? Try it.

Ask an Admin, v2.

I disagree with the suggestion to delete the thread, that is precisely the sort of action that resulted in the eruption of this thread.

I think the base of every legit concern so far comes from a place of frustration. It's obvious they are feeling like they aren't being heard and their opinions are either being dismissed or outright censured. The ability to discuss things as a community is important, and while most people are content to lurk and talk behind closed doors, whatever is discussed in public has the notion that it's being seen. People want to see that they're being listened to, and unfortunately PMs are, well, private, and can feel inconsequential, especially when very little changes after the matter.

Please, I love this site and I actually like a majority of the people here. But you have to understand why people are acting the way they are. And ultimately, that's what all this comes down to: people feel they aren't being heard. I know I'm repeating myself but I have to emphasize on it because I genuinely feel that point is being missed.

@Hero

What stops people from PMing myself or other staff?

Because the public discussions only go so far before they get personal, ugly, or both.

Ask an Admin, v2.

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Would you be okay with me making a thread about the moderation policy on this site, then? Because if I cannot discuss it here, I would wish to discuss it elsewhere. If you claim this is not my platform, please let me make my own.

@Skullwombat

Go ahead. It will still be subject to site rules. So...be careful.

Ask an Admin, v2.

@Skullwombat

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"Anti-mod thing"? Are you trying to insinuate that everyone criticizing your actions as mod/admin is only doing it because he's rebelling against authority, any and all authority, indiscriminately?

@pugbutter

Didn't you call me every name under the sun a few years ago?

I KNOW you're not here in good faith.

Ask an Admin, v2.

Ruby, please do not delete my posts. I am genuinely not posting in bad faith. My post was about having a discussion about how mods should be held accountable, the issue I entered this thread with, and I was not attacking you personally even though people have been claiming that of me.

@Skullwombat

Not the thread for that. If you have questions I can answer that's fine but this isn't your platform for the anti-mod thing.

Ask an Admin, v2.

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None of my posts are done out of bad faith, but because I've been on this site since i was 15 years old (im 21 now) and never have i been in trouble until now, because of unfair decisions made by moderators.

As is, I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I haven't gotten any substantial responses from you and I doubt any changes will ever be made. I'd be happy to have a conversation with Mahz himself if he could ever make time for a ember of the website he created.

@somnolence

My head is spinning. Your last ban sounds like site staff got you in the craze of whatever day it was the status bar was hijacked. That sucks for both parties but definitely for the ban. If you want PM me and I'll be happy to make sure that's what happened and no record of it was made. (Do it can't be weighed against you in the future.)

Ask an Admin, v2.

Maybe this is already being done and maybe my understanding of the situation is lacking. However, my suggestion would be to quickly review and likely roll back any controversial bans that lack merit, execute a policy of a written warning detailing the offense and consequences to a person violating TOS. If violations continue, issue a temporary ban for admins to review. I think it's only reasonable that a permanent ban have 2 admins sign off in agreement.

Also, in an effort to cease toxicity, I would also delete this thread. This is just giving negativity a platform. If anyone wants to Ask An Admin, they can contact the admins privately.

My two cents. Good luck!

@RedVII

I will say any further bad faith posts will be removed. So if you wanna throw hate do so in PMs.

Ask an Admin, v2.

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Yet, I reached out about it and after I sent the PM on my alt, I was banned. I had asked for the reason, and I was given a short and curt response. So, I reached out and it wasn't cleared up at all, contrary to what you say ...

@somnolence

Site mods were banning alts and it wasn't until that ended that we were able to look back and make corrections.

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Seems like the operating model could use some fine-tuning, both from a technical viewpoint and a procedural one.

Is the only one who can push updates to the site, Mahz?

@BurningDaisies

As far as I know.