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After scouring the internet for most of my life, its only in the last 5 years I've seen socio-politcal labelling as a real thing, people seem to stand by titles in a way they never did before, so for a bit of interest I've compiled a small list of some titles that I come across the most on the internet, so please let us know if you do or dont identify with the label or not and why.

Are You A........


Men's Rights Activist (MRA) (kinda)
Technically I am, though I dont feel like I partake in much activism if any so i prefer the term Men's Rights Advocate. Under only under the broad umbrella of egalatarianism. I find the MRA movement of recent times on the internet to fit the 'Male Reactionary Asshole' backronym a lot better. Blaming feminists for absoulutely everything and mindlessly supporting anything that happens to oppose tumblr. So I adopt this title with a lot of caution.

Anaracho Capatalist (No)
This would be a big resounding NO from me. Its a very edgelordish doomsday ideology rooted in wacky conspiracies about how anything that the government does is evil and making your life worse. I'm fairly authoratarian and I dont believe that the NAP (Non Agression Principle) is realisitic. Also Stefan Molynuex is a cult leader.

SJW (Social Justice Warrior) (No)
This is a very easy NO for me. Firstly I think that anyone who calls themseleves a 'warrior' outside of a combat setting is an absolute cringelord. Also the 'justice' administered by these people seems to just boil down to calling people bigots on twitter, its a fad and it'll die, sooner the better. If I want to challenge inequality I can advocate without that moronic group label.

Feminist (Kind of, Yeah)
This one is a little easier, its another careful yes. I do consider myself a feminist in the more reasonable understanding of the term. Again this is under the umbrella of Egalitarianism, so I do hold mens rights advocacy and feminism at the same time. But I'm also very very careful to shy away from the Jezebel brand of feminisim which seems more about opression olympics and disproportionate retribution.

Brexiter (Indifferent)

I'm totally ambiguous on this one, I dont care about brexit and this comes from someone who has lived in the UK their whole lives. Life goes on either way. Its slightly annoying to see misinformed non-british people have such a damn opinion on it when they dont fully understand the nuances of this country though.

Gamergater/Pro Gamergate (Hell No)

Hell no, gamergate is bullshit. 'Ethics' in game journalism has been flaky and crap from day one. I dont even want to say I'm anti gamer-gate because I dont want to allign myself with the idiots that say that Zelda should be a hispanic girl or something like that. But the very premise is ridiculous.

Race Realist (Dont accept the premise of race)

So this is a no for me but I should qualify that this isnt because I'd be too emotional to accept hard facts, it stems from my belief that race doesnt exist so any sort of biological study on these groups would be from a faulty premise. It also doesnt help that a lot of these 'race realist' scientiests also happen to be massive racists. You cant say 'just the facts' when saying blacks or mexicans have inherintly low IQs but then be proclaiming 'race mixing is a crime against morality' in the next article. I think a lot of RR just stems from a reactionary effort to piss liberals off, which is really childish.

Libertarian (Not Really)

I approach this one with caution, I would say mostly no, because I am fairly authorotarian in my beliefs but it could be said that I am 'culturally' libertarian on some social issues and some of the broader stances I can at least see some good ideas behind. But much like the An-Cap stuff above, too much of this has turned into to smug, edgy ways to be conservative but rebellious at the same time. I would stay away from this label wherever I could, especially on the net.

Your turn, let me know where you fall with these labels.

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I don't really do labels. Not out of some sort of special snowflakey thing, but because when you do a label you get stuck with the uphill battle of trying to shake the stereotype associated with the label. Better to just bitch at people and let them defend their own labels.
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I don't really do labels. Not out of some sort of special snowflakey thing, but because when you do a label you get stuck with the uphill battle of trying to shake the stereotype associated with the label. Better to just bitch at people and let them defend their own labels.


just answer it point by point like a good dalmation, I want to see where you stand on each one individually.
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I don't really do labels, but I'll go ahead and humor myself with these:

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I want to see where you guys fall with these labels

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I wouldn't call myself a gamergater, but I support the ones that are actually fighting against corruption in the gaming industry.
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I wouldn't call myself a gamergater, but I support the ones that are actually fighting against corruption in the gaming industry.


cmon man do the list
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I am not an anarcho capitalist. I'm a democratic capitalist.

I am sympathetic to MRA, but I don't call myself one.

I am sympathetic to Christina Hoff Summers' kind of feminism, but again I don't call myself one.

I am definitely not an SJW.

Socially I love libertarians, but politically I think they're almost as delusional as communists.

I supported Brexit, only because I don't like the EU. I was surprised it actually happened though.

I view racial issues as having a more gray origin.
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I'm of the "You're all so stupid its a miracle you can tell the difference between your head and your ass" persuasion.

Runs in the family.
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@Dynamo Frokane
This is a neat idea, although I don't generally like pigeon-holing like this. I'd rather people were asked to label themselves, rather than choose from a small list. That said, I'll try.

Are You A........

Men's Rights Activist (MRA) (I acknowledge their legitimacy)
There are major issues that disproportionately affect men, that aren't taken seriously by society at large. That said, I don't necessarily agree with their end goal of egalitarianism. I'm not sure that men and women being equal, as they see it, would be the best situation for humanity.

Anaracho Capitalist (No)
Depends who you're trying to help. Personally, I don't own a large, multinational business, so anarcho-capitalism doesn't help me. Likewise, I don't believe it helps the majority of humanity. Some basic regulation is required, to prevent exploitation and dishonesty. An informed, respected consumer leads to a healthier, stronger, more stable society.

SJW (Social Justice Warrior) (depends)
Not as it's defined on the internet. I do believe there to be many social justice causes that need attention (that aren't given that attention right now), but the overwhelming majority of "social justice warriors", are privileged white bitches looking to further their own status and luxury, rather than fight for those who actually need help.

Feminist (depends)
I exist in some sort of grey area, where some people call me a feminist, and others call me a sexist/misogynist/anti-feminist. Basically, I think equality of opportunity is a good thing, and women should be given the chance to excel, if they are able to do so.

Brexiter (yes)

I believe in democracy, and the EU's system of governance acts against the right of citizens of sovereign nations to vote for their leaders and policies. Brexit was the result of the democratic process, where the common citizens had the opportunity to make their voice heard. They made their decision, and we should absolutely, and resolutely, honour that decision.

Gamergater/Pro Gamergate (I acknowledge their legitimacy)
Gamergate raised genuine issues. While I couldn't be bothered to take up the cause myself (I have bigger fish to fry), I believe their end result was constructive to society.

Race Realist (Pleading the fifth)

Sorry, your honour, I'm not biting.

Libertarian (Half)

Socially, I suppose you could call me a libertarian. I believe people should have the right to do what they want to do to themselves, and by themselves, without being subjugated by government thugs. Economically, not at all. I believe trade needs to be controlled, if we wish to preserve the standard of living of the middle class.

How's that? Any questions?
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Men's Rights Activist (MRA) (no)

I believe in mens rights obviously, and I agree that there are issues of discrimination that men face. But Capital "MRA" has nothing to do with any of that. The way I see it, proper academic Feminism covers this (recall 'Feminism doesn't mean womens lib specifically, it's more broadly focused on gender equality). Everywhere I have seen people call themselves MRA, it's mostly been people bitching about feminists, which isn't... isn't really the point. If they stop that and instead focus their efforts on actual reform, I'd change my mind on this.

As a general rule, if someone's contribution to society is bitching on the internet, then meh. And an entire movement based on doing nothing but bitching on the internet? Double meh.

Anaracho Capatalist (Jesus no)



SJW (Social Justice Warrior) (Nope)

See MRA answer Paragraph 2.

I do think this one gets overused now though. I remember back when SJW was being used for the crazies, like the people who thought everyone should accept their decision to live as a turtle, or the die cis scum people. Nowadays it seems to mean everybody who isn't Moon Man.

Feminist (Kinda)

I don't use the word because I don't like the preachy moralism of those who outwardly strut about being feminists. There is a black and white nature to pop-Feminism that seems useless. It's like fundamentalist religion, if your entire gig is to go around calling everyone else sinners, you're no really contributing are you?

But actual feminism, as in equal rights and all that fun stuff? Yeh, i'm down with that.

Brexiter (No opinion)

That's European business. I have no beef with the dismantling of trade agreements. If they create an economic crisis out of it and go all Fascisty again though, then that'll make it World business and we'll all have to go toe to toe in round three.

Gamergater/Pro Gamergate (Who gives a shit?)

Seriously, whether or not Angelina Jolie is getting a divorce is more important than fucking Gamergate.

Race Realist (Jesus no)

Race realism is just statistical scare-tactics. As in, the shit tabloids do. If you want to murder people, at least have the balls to say it is for the murder, and don't hide under some lazy-ass stat waving.

Libertarian (It's complicated)

This is a broader philosophy than Ayn Rand would have you believe. So when you see one of those four quadrant political tests? Yeh, the entire bottom half is some variation of libertarianism. And I do tend to be on that half of the board. I think that breaking up power structures is beneficial to the human race. But where I differ from capital L "Libertarians" is that I think capitalism and private ownership are power structures on par with government. So far right libertarians seem a whole lot like people who want to trade masters from one they vote for to one they cannot.

However, I think authoritarianism usually looked a lot like "I don't like all these idiots making decisions, lets get one idiot and let him make all the decisions." A bunch of idiots will argue and cancel each other out, but one idiot, or even a small council of idiots, won't have that check. A pro-Authoritarian guy might look at a bunch of theory and imagine how great if Plato's Philosopher King could make the decisions, but that's not how it plays out. Hitler and Stalin aren't historical accidents, they are inevitable when playing with Authoritarian government. Just your typical absolute monarchs in a time when the toys are better and the people more sensitive to the horror of the thing.

So me believing that concentrated power is usually worse than unconcentrated, I'd suspect that makes me a libertarian, even if I don't want to swear fealty to Wal-Mart like the Anarcho-Capitalists do, or think the biggest danger to freedom is rich people paying taxes like the "Libertarians" believe.

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Easy street.

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Race Realist (Pleading the fifth)

Sorry, your honour, I'm not biting.

How's that? Any questions?


Why are you not biting, cmon I was looking forward to this from you the most...

This is a free speech zone, no one is going to call you a racist, and even if they did, I'm pretty sure most of us wouldnt care as that gets thrown around too much anyway.

Race Realist
Not gonna lie, I hadn't heard of this term before seeing this thread. I know what it refers to but hadn't heard the phrase "race realist" to describe it. Either way I'm gonna have to say I am a race realist. There are distinct biological and genetic differences among the races from a scientific standpoint. It's a byproduct of evolution and natural selection and isn't necessarily a bad thing. A lot of legit racists use this race realist stuff to justify their prejudices but I'm a man of facts and logic. I don't like the idea of a truth being hidden or undiscovered. This stuff is the truth, for better or worse. I don't think the data from it has any real-life application aside from being racist, but that isn't the point. Sometimes the truth hurts. You deal with it because the truth is more important than anyone's feelings.

Is your opinion close to something like this? ^^^^
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Why are you not biting, cmon I was looking forward to this from you the most...

This is a free speech zone, no one is going to call you a racist, and even if they did, I'm pretty sure most of us wouldnt care as that gets thrown around too much anyway.


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Why are you not biting, cmon I was looking forward to this from you the most...

This is a free speech zone, no one is going to call you a racist, and even if they did, I'm pretty sure most of us wouldnt care as that gets thrown around too much anyway.

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Is your opinion close to something like this? ^^^^


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Okay, I'm going to start by saying that people in this day and age cling to labels because they are too weak to represent their own thing, and need to rally under a label to feel like they're a part of something bigger. Or it can go the other way, and it makes them feel special because of how exclusive a label is. You see this a lot with tumbler lard whales and their 50 precious "genders." I think my least favorite part about labels is that they are often spoken about very loudly by extremists. There are quiet femnists that just like the idea of doing a little bit more and getting a little bit of respect for it. Like that group of school girls that decided to try asking the guys out for prom night instead of waiting for them to do it. Those girls are not accurately reflected by their label, which is shared largely by man-haters.

interesting wording. "Let us know." Are you some sort of collective?

Doesn't matter, I'll gladly rip through these labels for you.

Men's Rights Activist (MRA)

This started off as a joke. The fact that people are taking it seriously shows just how bad our situation is.

Anaracho Capatalist

I have no idea what this is, and I didn't understand the explanation I got off of google.

SJW (Social Justice Warrior)

Let's make it our goal to hate on white heterosexual males, because hating on someone for their race, sex, and sexuality is the right thing to do. You just gotta do it to the right people!

Feminist

Think I tackled this one already.

Brexiter

Google was no help

Gamergater/Pro Gamergate

This just kinda seems like a new label born from other labels, you know? Like, a bisexual chick could also just claim to be "Heterosexual and a lesbian."

Race Realist

I think you made this one up. That name made me chuckle though.

To those of you who don't subscribe to "labels", I salute you. Sally forth, brave soldiers.
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well according to your best friend google I clearly didnt make up race reaslism did I?
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The proof is in the pudding fellas, think about your canary in the mine @j8cob. He spoke about race realism in a fairly honest and non politically correct point of view and no one has said anything to him. So I'm really curious to what you are so afraid of?

I promise that no big scary SJWs from tumblr are gonna come get you if you talk about race realism, you are safe here brah.

interesting wording. "Let us know." Are you some sort of collective?


Collective of people posting and viewing this forum yes, i think the word is forum members, but you can give yourself a cooler term if you can think of one.
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Yes to all of them, because I'm open minded. Namaste.
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Yes to all of them, because I'm open minded. Namaste.


Never met a pro-gamergate SJW before, kudos to you.
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