Persistent World ideas are tricky things, and in this case, I must disagree again.

One thing that was slightly useful to me in the first place, and part of why I didn't raise a shit on the first suggestion of EH (though I never really supported it, either), is the fact it had structure. Everything was connected and could be connected, there were limits, there was a general thing going on. The suggestion is now literally what exists at the moment, because EH no longer has the structure. All the things you mention could be done with the current structure. While it may come out better if the entire PW forum was rewritten to make a clear indication (if that route was run through), that this is what the people there want.

But even if it is rewritten, I still would not be in favor. Because what you suggest is effectively what exists now, and I fundamentally disagree with a broad, unrestricted multiverse. It serves no purpose. In a sense, the current forums are literally the same thing. If a couple GMs want to link and create a multiverse, they will do that. If they don't want people to interfere with their canon/multiverse, they can, and will do that too. If they want to make a true Persistant World, which is distinct from a multiverse, then the GMs can link their canons. None of that justifies the creation and maintenance of a unique forum.

I would instead consider it viable if the idea was approached with more unity and structure, not only in general rules and "what you do here might affect something elsewhere", but also in genre. A balance should be achieved. Yes, players need flexibility. That's the core of the idea. But it also requires structure and unity, not only in terms of timeline, but also in things like power level and technology (in my opinion and based on how the site works, especially the community base). A specific fantasy PW would make it easier to avoid a fairly average swordsmen being absolutely obliterated by a sci-fi grunt with a gun and heavy armor.

It would make more consistency at large, making it easier for plots and characters to connect (in a way, like a roleplay MMO, only with more flexibility). It would allow easier maintenance and judgements as to what is too powerful and what is not, because you can look to fantasy stereotypes to make more balanced decisions when accepting characters and making judgements should a conflict arise (as compared to cowboi supagunslinger vs Archmage of Canterbury or something, and a drama potentially arising from that combination when the two entities meet). Repeat a similar philosophy with modern and sci-fi settings, and in the future, add more if there is enough popular demand. Finally, my main, short term revision idea would be to put the PW section in line with other sections so it does not somehow get standing over all the regular forums despite having an abysmally small fraction of the activity and relevance seen in the three sections below it.

As it is now, and as the idea seems to propose, there's just not enough to bring things together. It becomes clutter that might as well go into the regular sections anyways.

It's not an easy overnight solution, but I think you're more likely to find the answer in structure and a degree of unity, not in making divided verses that don't even need to exist in the same forum.

And as for existing games, they would not have to be deleted. I believe they would work just fine dumped into the casual section, as they're largely independent entities anyways.

In short: Sure, have a multiverse. But it does not need its own forum. Not as it is described, and not as the EH operates right now.

Will keep this short - Don't think it will work

Would like to see - Nation RP redone to "Developing Universe" Section with multiple sub sections: World, Nation, Other & Checks. Just combine bascially combing the areas of E.H., NRP, and WB and leave it open to a larger versatility. Might actually give a single section the numbers it is looking for to succeed.

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If the player designed their swordsman to be able to deflect gunfire with his sword or have the armor to guard him against sci-fi genre weaponry, then they would do just fine. Again, this is all dependent on the players and how they design their characters. The Multiverse combines genre like a high fantasy/final fantasy universe. You could play a Medieval Knight versus a fleet of space ships and have him use magic to wipe them all out. It puts no restriction on the imagination of the writers.

That's the idea to just have it rewritten as opposed to gotten rid of. I don't RP there so my comments about it have come from players who have RP there and the player Normie said that the persistent world had an overarching story that all participants were writing under. This is what led me to believe that it wasn't a multiverse because a multiverse has multiple stories than just one.

The purpose of the broad, unrestricted multiverse is to appease all types of players and all characters they would ever want to create. The multiverse is called the multiverse because it is multiple universes that "interact." All conflict and drama that happens is cross-dimension. Players who want their own personal story can RP that out and if someone tries to barge in on it, then just like regular RP etiquette, they ask them to step out.

If the player designed their swordsman to be able to deflect gunfire with his sword or have the armor to guard him against sci-fi genre weaponry, then they would do just fine. Again, this is all dependent on the players and how they design their characters. The Multiverse combines genre like a high fantasy/final fantasy universe. You could play a Medieval Knight versus a fleet of space ships and have him use magic to wipe them all out. It puts no restriction on the imagination of the writers.

No one is ever too powerful in the Multiverse. Also, I forgot to mention. The rules and structure are decided by those who join those kingdoms, nations, clans, factions, armada, etc. Those who don't join are lawless, literally. Whether they become vigilantes or terrorists or just sellswords, hired gun, etc. is up to the writers.

The Multiverse was just to spare the EH from being deleted and to instead, broaden it.

The purpose of this discussion is to talk about possible revision or deletion of the Persistent World section, which has been highly debatable for quite the while.

For a Persistent World to succeed, it must be moderated by a single person or group of people, who dictate universal rules and expectation (Usually it is just moderated by a moderator to make sure everyone is being respectful and following the site rules. You talk about a MV like the one I described would not exist, but it does. But seeing as it would require a ton of people to be interested in the idea, such as the existing one that is on Roleplay Gateway has over 100+ writers in it, it would most likely not survive on this site due to that lack thereof alone versus any of the other claims.). Self-regulation with multiple sets of rules does not work. It leads to imbalance and continuity disasters. One RPer might prefer playing real-world characters limited by their physical abilities, another might prefer playing a psychopathic human-killing demi-god. The interaction would be disastrous, as the first player would be forced to suddenly develop supreme powers or die (Or if that character comes from a modern fiction world, being friends with a space marine from another world, he can borrow technology to devise weapons that still have him as an average joe but now he can properly defend himself without having to make any drastic character changes at all. MV encourages writers to think outside the box because a MV RP is not a single RP, run under one setting, with one type of writer in it. It is a massive world where every genre coexists. The rules and regulations are decided by whatever country, faction, clan, etc. your character affiliates with. If they are lawless, then they are actually treated as such and can have WANTED posters placed on them, adding more genuine drama to the character type that writer is role playing. As mentioned before, if anything ever happened that you didn't want. Basic RP Etiquette; you have the right to tell the other player that you don't want to RP whatever it is that was brought against you. Communication isn't difficult.), neither of which is even remotely fair to them. Just as RPGuild has a universal set of rules on site behavior and reporting, a PW must have universal rules on IC behavior. It also must have a story line of some kind that connects all of the worlds, so that players have objectives to complete if they run out of ones to make on their own. That requires a considerable amount of work for the GM(s), who would have to fully commit to it for, theoretically, eternity. (The IC universal rules would just be don't be a dick and always ask the other player for consent before attempting to intrude on their story. Plain and simple.)

It was said that "Multiverses...have no segregation when it comes to writing ability. Both the Free, Casual, and Advanced writers should be able to write in there without problem," but why? (I will tell you why. If I am role playing Emperor Blah Blah from the Blah Planet. If majority of the players who join my kingdom are Free-level writers, let's say 30, and the planet I wish to conquer only has 3 Advanced Players, I will easily be able to take that planet with my 30 free writers because I have actual morale. Of course, NPCs exist, but the players that will actually do the damage are the ones being PCed. They are the main characters not the NPCs. It's all about having bodies when it comes to planet versus planet and nation versus nation. Realistically, in actual MV wars, the Free players fight against the Free, Casual against the Casual, and instead of them being segregated into those categories, it is instead based on that individual player and the writing ability they have demonstrated. You could write 5 pages, but all of those pages could be absolute garbage. Instead of being labeled according to your writing level, you would just face someone who writes about the same level of quality. The reason why this site is broken up into sections is because it is NOT a MV and doesn't have one. It is instead to basically advertise the level (can't always say quality) of writing ability to be expected when looking for stories to join. If you join the MV, you'll be involved in numerous stories. Not just one. As many as you involve your character in. They'll never be bored because writers always have some situation going on.)There is really no point in a universe consisting of Free, Casual, and Advanced roleplayers. Each of them will stick to their own standard of posting, in the world that they built, with the rules and lore that they made up, which is the same as them being separated into subforums as the site already has. (They aren't separated because the MV brings all factions, kingdoms, planets, etc together. Always happens. They are making a faction for a reason. Usually to take out another. They aren't a group of friends who just want to write with themselves and nobody else. The MV doesn't influence those kinds of games. You want to do that then look at the "Free, Casual, and Advanced" section. Go RP with yourselves.) Besides, Holy Soldier has already demonstrated (and is actively demonstrating) that a Persistent World/Multiverse is totally viable as a standalone RP. (Although my game has multiple universes in it because it is taking place in a video game multiverse with a central hub for cross-dimension interaction, I still consider it a single game. It is not a real multiverse. What would make it a multiverse would be let's say another RP that was a multiverse of pure anime characters came over and now there are two games crossing. That would make it a multiverse. Now imagine more games interchanging plots and stories. That is a multiverse.)

It was also said that "The MV also provides a home for 'main characters' characters that writers create and cannot find a RP or seem to be able to make a RP where they will fit." (All characters you could ever create fit in the MV because the MV encompasses all possible genres. So MVs are the best place for main characters that don't fit anywhere else.) Not finding a RP or making an RP is the same problem whether it's a multiverse/PW or not. You'd have to either make or find a RP in the multiverse for that character. If they don't fit in any other RP, or in an RP made by the creator, they're not going to fit in the multiverse. (They'll fit because you basically are "jumping-into" a situation. MV is an open game.)

Not only that, but, while inactivity or players dropping out of an RP is inconvenient, characters dropping out of a persistent world multiverse is much worse. If two RPs succeed in overlapping, an inactive character negatively impacts both of them, and GMs will have to work together to decide what happens, rather than tending to their own RP. That's extra work that could be skipped by either RP being run independently with NPCs controlled by the GM. (This is only detrimental to a game with a single GM, single plot, single main character that everyone was riding on. The MV has multiple characters. If the player for Emperor Bob went AWOL IRL, he would be replaced by the next in line. The MV survives off player interest. If one character in an important position left the game, he would easily be replaced. Chances are his position was contested or his enemies were waiting for him to die or vanish so they can take over his empire. The story goes on. If he magically returned, Emperor Bob will have to reclaim his empire, which means a war and therefore, more story.)

Also, the current one is super dead, minus the aforementioned active roleplay. It is discouraging to see it at the top of the page, especially for new members who would see it before anything else and immediately be turned away by the lack of activity. It would benefit the site as a whole to at least move it, though removing it seems a better option.