I can totally get behind the Mary-Jane loathing.

#TeamGwen

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Gwen Stacy isn't a character; she's Stan Lee's ideal woman insert, and any characterization was tacked on after the fact to try and add weight to her death post-mortum.

In the 616 Universe, anyway.

Yeah, my quest to read all 800+ ASM issues petered out in the high 200s, McFarlane years. I'll get back to it someday. Conway-Wolfman-Stern is my definitive Spider-Man era.

I can totally get behind the Mary-Jane loathing.

#TeamGwen

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Gwen Stacy isn't a character; she's Stan Lee's ideal woman insert, and any characterization was tacked on after the fact to try and add weight to her death post-mortum.

In the 616 Universe, anyway.

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Yeah, my quest to read all 800+ ASM issues petered out in the high 200s, McFarlane years. I'll get back to it someday. Conway-Wolfman-Stern is my definitive Spider-Man era.

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I've only read Ultimate Spider-Man and seen the 'Amazing' movies.

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You're joking, yeah?

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Well I mean, I've seen all the Spider-Man movies but Kirsten Dunst doesn't really sell me on MJ versus Emma Stone's Gwen.

In terms of comics, I have only read Ultimate Spider-Man and I quit when Miles was brought in.

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Oh, I see. A man of color moves in and you move out. #whiteflight.

When it comes to Spider-Man, I'm more of a Bendis' initial run on Ultimate kinda guy. I also liked early JMS, before he went goddamn insane and wrote shit like The Other and Sins Past.

Well I mean, I've seen all the Spider-Man movies but Kirsten Dunst doesn't really sell me on MJ versus Emma Stone's Gwen.

In terms of comics, I have only read Ultimate Spider-Man and I quit when Miles was brought in.

Look, is Dan Slott the worst writer Spider-Man's ever had? No. Is he a dumb poopy-head? Yes.

I cannot abide a Spider-Man writer who openly loathes Mary Jane Watson; I cannot abide a Spider-Man writer who's more interested in Otto Octavius than Peter Parker; I cannot abide a Spider-Man writer who turns Felicia Hardy into a cartoonish, "I hate Spider-Man and will see him destroyed at any cost" villain. But mostly, I cannot abide a Spider-Man writer who can't stick a damn landing. His starting ideas could be really good stories... if he ever did them any justice.

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Probably because Mary-Jane Watson is as interesting as beige wallpaper in a room with brown carpet and brown furniture. Very few writers can make such a bland character engaging and interesting.

Normally I mock you because it's entertaining. So I'll have to thank you for saying something so fundamentally wrong that I can now mock you for a genuine reason.

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Probably because Mary-Jane Watson is as interesting as beige wallpaper in a room with brown carpet and brown furniture. Very few writers can make such a bland character engaging and interesting.

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*sweats nervously*

though to be fair loathing would take a character who actually inspires emotions in me so I'm good

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I call it like I see it, bro. She has never interested me as a character in really anything I've ever read barring maybe some of the later Ultimate issues and Spider-Gwen.

@Lord Wraith
You missed so much!

Kraven's Last Hunt.. Spider-Man vs Wolverine.. The Death of Jean DeWolff... Spidey with Cosmic power... What If vol.2 #20-21 where Peter marries Black Cat instead of MJ... What If vol.2 #88 where Spider-Man had evolved into a monster... the death of Harry Osborn... Spidey with the Phoenix Force... Aunt May dying (but not really)... Typeface...