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Yeah, it's fun when games introduce new classes solely to ruin the day of other ones.

Played For Honor for quite a bit when it came out and the Warlord was a very solid class capable of fending off attacks from nearly every other class making up in defense what it lacked in speed. Then along came the Centurian...


"So I heard you like to have your character repeatedly blinded and stunned and killed in a single kill combo. Well oh BOY, do we here at Ubisoft have a GREAAATTT new character for you!"

Of course their next brilliant decision was the Shaman of all things.

I really wanted to love For Honor. But boy howdy do the developers do everything in their power to make me not want to play their game.
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To sort of tie OP Supes, unbeatable Bat-God, untouchable faster-than-instant Flash, too-cool-to-kill Punisher, etc together (as well as a lot of today's comics where Carol Danvers or Squirrel Girl or whoever beats an ineffectual silly-billy villain in one page and then spends the rest of the issue being emotionally validated), the inherent problem with all of them in those iterations is the lack of danger. At no point do you ever feel like the hero might lose, or that they might be tainted or changed by the experience. There's no stakes, no cost or consequence for their actions, no price for victory or penalty for defeat. There's also usually no reward for victory, either, just a reinforcing of the status quo.

This I think is where the superhero genre really needs to get back in touch with its original DNA in the pulps. Superman may be secular-Jesus in a lot of people's eyes, but his lineage also includes Doc Savage and John Carter and Conan the Barbarian. All of which include three things that I think modern comics are sorely lacking: danger, violence, and sex. I'm not saying to make comics outright porn--Clark and Lois should feel a lot more chaste and wholesome than Batman and Catwoman-- but everyone has some innate reactions to sex and death (eros and thanatos if you wanna get all pretentious). They're the most human part of the human experience, and when you remove them, the characters come off as inorganic and neutered.

Wanna know why Gotham City is so much more popular of a setting than Metropolis? Because Gotham City is pulpy as all hell-- everyone is some combination of dangerous, violent, and sexy. Poison Ivy isn't necessarily violent, but she's definitely dangerous and sexy. Killer Croc is about as un-sexy as possible, but he's also the most dangerous and violent person in the city. Harley Quinn often isn't exactly dangerous, but is always sexy and violent. Everyone in Gotham City is trying to kill and/or fuck everyone else in Gotham City, and that's why it's so appealing for writers and readers alike.

Whereas Metropolis is usually just.....nice. Yeah, Lex Luthor lives there and half the city is exploding at any given time, but it doesn't have the same sort of danger as Gotham because it's supposed to match the main character, and more often than not Superman himself is usually just....nice.

That's been kind of my unspoken goal while writing this version of Superman, to reintroduce some danger and sexiness into the character and to the setting, to make his story one that actually gets the blood pumping instead of just having him preach platitudes and be everyone's imaginary friend. I've always liked Superman's heart and a lot of his brain, but it's high time the guy had some balls again.
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If there is space, may I be apart of this as Deadpool?
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@AndyC Violence, danger and, sex eh? Well, have I got a story for you...
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If there is space, may I be Johnny Blaze, the Ghostrider?


There might be some issues with being Ghostrider as that title is currently held by @DocTachyon's Vigilante.

You might be able to be Johnny Blaze still though with the right concept.
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Just realized that and decided to ask for deadpool instead.
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Just realized that and decided to ask for deadpool instead.


In which case he's open as far as I know.

And @Master Bruce is a fan of the character.
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There might be some issues with being Ghostrider as that title is currently held by @DocTachyon's Vigilante.

You might be able to be Johnny Blaze still though with the right concept.


Johnny showed up in a fairly important role in Doc’s last post which I’d totally recommend everyone read because Doc is great, so that might not be viable anyway.
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Pssh!

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If there is space, may I be apart of this as Deadpool?


There's plenty of space, though I will advise you that the game is ending it's current run on September 25th and will be doing a three month time jump ahead, if that affects anything you had planned.

As far as Deadpool goes, I'm not against it, but he definitely needs to skew more towards the heroic side of the anti-hero equation to be applicable for the game. If he's The Merc With A Mouth, he runs the risk of being a PC villain.
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To sort of tie OP Supes, unbeatable Bat-God, untouchable faster-than-instant Flash, too-cool-to-kill Punisher, etc together (as well as a lot of today's comics where Carol Danvers or Squirrel Girl or whoever beats an ineffectual silly-billy villain in one page and then spends the rest of the issue being emotionally validated), the inherent problem with all of them in those iterations is the lack of danger. At no point do you ever feel like the hero might lose, or that they might be tainted or changed by the experience. There's no stakes, no cost or consequence for their actions, no price for victory or penalty for defeat. There's also usually no reward for victory, either, just a reinforcing of the status quo.

This I think is where the superhero genre really needs to get back in touch with its original DNA in the pulps. Superman may be secular-Jesus in a lot of people's eyes, but his lineage also includes Doc Savage and John Carter and Conan the Barbarian. All of which include three things that I think modern comics are sorely lacking: danger, violence, and sex. I'm not saying to make comics outright porn--Clark and Lois should feel a lot more chaste and wholesome than Batman and Catwoman-- but everyone has some innate reactions to sex and death (eros and thanatos if you wanna get all pretentious). They're the most human part of the human experience, and when you remove them, the characters come off as inorganic and neutered.

Wanna know why Gotham City is so much more popular of a setting than Metropolis? Because Gotham City is pulpy as all hell-- everyone is some combination of dangerous, violent, and sexy. Poison Ivy isn't necessarily violent, but she's definitely dangerous and sexy. Killer Croc is about as un-sexy as possible, but he's also the most dangerous and violent person in the city. Harley Quinn often isn't exactly dangerous, but is always sexy and violent. Everyone in Gotham City is trying to kill and/or fuck everyone else in Gotham City, and that's why it's so appealing for writers and readers alike.

Whereas Metropolis is usually just.....nice. Yeah, Lex Luthor lives there and half the city is exploding at any given time, but it doesn't have the same sort of danger as Gotham because it's supposed to match the main character, and more often than not Superman himself is usually just....nice.

That's been kind of my unspoken goal while writing this version of Superman, to reintroduce some danger and sexiness into the character and to the setting, to make his story one that actually gets the blood pumping instead of just having him preach platitudes and be everyone's imaginary friend. I've always liked Superman's heart and a lot of his brain, but it's high time the guy had some balls again.


Interesting. I agree to an extent, and am loving your work in this game as more of a Golden Age throwback to the character, especially as my Batman in UOU is lightly tinged with that aswell. Though I personally think the problem you're describing boils down to a severe lacking of a universal consensus in comics for what Superman's world should be amongat the many attempts to "fix" a character who isn't broken. Alot like many, many writers who can't decide who or what Wonder Woman is.

To me, that's always been because Superman is supposed to be hard sci-fi, not pulp. Batman works as a pulp character because he's basically a pastiche of several of them. Very few writers actually lean hard into Superman's world being part Hickman's The Manhattan Projects and part 50's monster movie that stars an alien protagonist who has all of the powers of a God but the soul and upbringing of a man, which is why I wholly reject the idea of Clark not being relatable.

This isn't directed towards you, Andy, because you already know what I'm talking about. But rather the general misconception of Superman being so overpowered that he's not relatable by any stretch. If you look at him as a powerset and not a character, of course he's not going to be relatable. But take a look at Batman through the same lense. His power is that he has a fuckton of money, knows all the martial arts, and is obcenely brilliant as a detective. That's not very relatable either, but we see Batman as someone on our level because he doesn't have any powers - which in itself isn't why Batman is relatable, since he's a trauma victim with difficulty connecting to other people emotionally, something that I heavily identify with as someone who suffers from severe social anxiety.

Superman, conversely, is on our level because he thinks and acts like us because he was raised as one of us. It's a power fantasy where the most down to Earth guy has to reconcile being able to do amazing things, and his limitations come in through the human perspective. You can't hurt him through conventional violent means (unless you're half of his equally powerful rogues gallery), but you can hurt the people he cares for - which is damn near everyone, making him a much more vulnerable character than people give him credit for.

In case it wasn't obvious, I'm a big fan of Superman. Love 'em. Right under Batman and Spider-Man, he rounds out my permanent top three.
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To me, the difference between DC and Marvel heroes is that Marvel's characters wear their flaws on their sleeve. They're designed to have character traits brought to the forefront instead of powersets. DC's characters are meant to be mythical, in that the powers and strengths are half the selling point, but they all have as many flaws and relatability to me. You just have to find it in the stories themselves. And unfortunately, those have been muddled by too many attempts to knock each one down a peg, from depowering Clark to raising Bruce's paranoia to the Nth degree and having Diana commit murder despite being an ambassador for peace.

Basically, everything wrong with Identity and Infinite Crisis, two of the worst DC stories in terms of their long-lasting effects on the current books.
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Incidentally, if anyone really wanted to play Johnny Blaze in a non-Ridery way, I can retcon him out of that post and just pick someone else to have been a past Ghost Rider. Same goes for El Diablo and, uh, Grak.
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Grak.


Well I know what I'm doing for season 2.
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So, pitching kind of in the dark here. Any room for a take on the Lone Ranger from Dynamite's 2006 run? I was told that all arcs have to be in the modern day, so I'd probably do a modern retelling. (Overseas U.S Ranger gets killed, resurrected and get's vengeance on those that killed him and his squad.) Probably doing some One-Man The Losers kind of shit.
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So, pitching kind of in the dark here. Any room for a take on the Lone Ranger from Dynamite's 2006 run? I was told that all arcs have to be in the modern day, so I'd probably do a modern retelling. (Overseas U.S Ranger gets killed, resurrected and get's vengeance on those that killed him and his squad.) Probably doing some One-Man The Losers kind of shit.


No (Good to see you, though). It's actually only the Big Two (tons of room, anyhow).
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No (Good to see you, though). It's actually only the Big Two (tons of room, anyhow).


Oh yeah, huh!

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Nobody let @Hillan in. He'll stink up the place.
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Nobody let @Hillan in. He'll stink up the place.

At least @Retired won't win the "least posts in the RP" award at the end of the season.
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