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Probably a penthouse or something.

Very definitely the tallest possible point anyone can actually live in. And if the city authorities want to be higher up, well...

Stop him from making a taller building.

"I have the high ground, mongrels." :p


I can only imagine what crazy competition it would be if Ozy was summoned as well and the two of them began to try one-up one another's penthouses.
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So Gil is going to live in the hanging gardens then since they can float above the clouds

Meanwhile Semiramis having been evicted by the golden king is stuck living in a cardboard box.

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Meanwhile Semiramis having been evicted by the golden king is stuck living in a cardboard box.


Sorry, already occupied.
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@Raineh Daze So are we doing an Einzbern and Diarmuid team-up? Just gotta make sure.
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@Reflection Yup.

Any preference for what they should be doing?
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Semiramis having been evicted from her cardboard box is now currently sitting on the side of the city street, asking for spare change in order to build at least a fraction of a hanging gardens.
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@Raineh Daze No particular preference. Could just have them going about their daily business. Or they could be going on a walk in the park, soaking in all that awkward "So how are you today" "You just asked that two minutes ago" conversational skills.
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hnn……still none of my Servants have Masters.

Did I do a bad job with them?
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I don't think it's a matter of 'good' or 'bad', just a matter of Master-Servant synergy. You could always hook them both up to NPC Masters instead; not like the PC Masters are all that mandatory anyhow.
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Poor Semi, forced to live on the streets. How undignified.
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So a question of logistics given that this is important.
  • Why has revealing magic to the world not caused the mystery to be completely shot in the foot?
  • Why aren't the non-mages rioting in the street.
  • Why is the island even allowed to exist when such servants of calamity like Gilgamesh exist whom are threats to national (or worldy) security.


This isn't a back-water grail war after all.

Im just wondering how society copes with this.

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Hope It's ok for my first post.

Working on my servant. Again, sorry for the delay X_X
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1) Nasu seems to have gotten bored and that's no longer canon. The way stuff in GO works, it's definitely not canon.
2) Why would you riot. Or maybe they did riot. It's been years; there's no point to keep rioting.
3) Better to have Servants and mages in one place and co-operate with you than start a fight with people who can wipe the floor with a modern military.
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@1Charak2: Fate/grand order pretty much kills the whole "magecraft disappears with the advancement of science/magecraft disappears if it's revealed" thing dead(Chaldea is tied to the UN and other organizations are aware of what they're doing). Which is good, because it was always a very weak element of the setting that never made sense. Requiem, which this is inspired by, also kills that pretty dead.

I'm not sure why people would be rioting, but it's probably done and over with by this point if it ever happened in the first place.

Finally, Fusang was created under agreements with the UN, and now that it exists there's pretty much nothing that anyone in the world can do to stop it existing, so why poke the hornets' nest rather then make sure the relationship is good?
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The council of the united nations did not reveal that information to the rest of the world, meaning that revealing it to the united nations at most is revealing it to just the upper council. It would be top level government secrets at that point meaning that mystery is still maintained. There is a reason why there was such a huge fallout and coverup after the events of the part 1 of the singularity.

Reminder that Chaldea is for all intensive purposes STILL a secret organisation, especially due to the fact of what the CHALDEAS system is, any companies it has relation to are either under false pretense. E.g pretending to be something else. Or only the upper levels of those company know. This is still billions of less people then the entire world. So mystery is unaffected

Mystery is not negated in FGO, in fact many things still use mystery as an explanation for their potency.

2. Riots would likely never end considering these are servants that could take out entire armies by themselves as all of them are superhuman. Even the weakest one can kill several men without a scratch. Knowing that the magus population is less then 5% of the entire world. This would cause a inhuman amount of civil unrest for generations.

This is only worsened by the fact that world-buster servants exist like Gilgamesh which if public knowledge of that exists would likely cause many nations to live in fear of the man that can end the world in a single instant if he so tried. This creates a cold-war scenario where likely the nations would want to eliminate such powerful servants. Because nobody is going to get a good nights sleep if they knew a kid with three command seals could wake up tomorrow with a world cracker and have a bad day that results in the entire world going boom

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Besides the logistical problem of the mystery being completely ruined by this island bringing attention to it. Setting up an island state as an independent nation of servants, while also letting servants exist in such close proximity to each other, when most of these servants (logically) would want to return to their homelands. Would cause such a massive war of culture. But that isn't the main issue.

The main issue is painting a huge target. The nations of the world don't have servants which are stronger then a nuke. but this one place has hundreds of them. How can you as the next leader of your country assure national security when say... Arash could walk into your city the next day and stella the entire thing to the ground?

Tidbit: Elementary my dear (sherlock holmes NP) that solves all mysterys is anti-world because of what it does to mystery (in a magic sense), which means Mystery is very much a key factor still.

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@1Charak2: And later on the US military gets involved.

It's still pretty evident that magecraft isn't just up and vanishing, it's pretty clear that element is outdated in terms of the setting's lore. Mystery does indeed exist, but it's not just going to up and vanish in this scenario.

Also Fate/requiem still exists which shoots this down from the start.

Do people riot non-stop because of nukes? No. And nukes don't have a will of their own to resist being fired. And also aren't all in one place where they could be stopped by other nukes. Again, there's pretty much no nation in the world that could hope to eliminate Fusang or any Servants on it, so why not just keep a friendly relationship?

You also have to go to Fusang to summon a Servant without the Holy Grail. It's not possible to just summon them willy-nilly on your own, this specific location is unique as a result and is tied to the UN and multiple nations. If someone wanted to summon a Servant to attack a city, they'd need to...

Get to the island.
Summon the Servant.
Leave the island unnoticed.
Have the Servant agree with them and be unable to resist seals if they do not.

That isn't easy given that Fusang is set up to avoid these kinds of things happening.
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1. Again, that is still not the entire world, and likely anyone that got involved would have to go through an immense debrief process. This is still around a maximum of 1 million more people knowing compared to 6 billion. The Difference is massive. The reason the cover up had to happen was to preserve magus society because once you blow the lid on that, 95% of the world wants your neck.

2. Fate Requieum has a unique plot hook that makes it plausible which is Everybody has a grail meaning everyone has a constant source of mystery right near them. Which would offset the knowledge of servants and magic. This doesn't appear to be the case here so the reqieum explanation doesn't exactly work.

3. Nukes can't fire themselves as you say, but servants can. And a single nuke doesn't annilhilate the entire world. But Gil can. The difference between these two things are too great. And a reminder. Mutually assured destruction only works when everyone has nukes. Not everyone has servants in this case so yes. This woudl cause riots since fusang is the only place with these super humans.

People don't live in fear of nukes because everyone has them, not everyone has a Gilgamesh for instance.

4. Fusang is still a security risk to many nations wellbeing, due to what it is and the servant calibur. Someone could summon Karna. What are you going to do to a man whom is invulnerable to 95% of all harm. Shoot him? Theres also ethnic issues with servants but thats beside the point.

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Fusang itself is a huge geopolitcal issue because if this is the only place that has these things called servants. How on earth are we gonna defend our selfs (says country X not currently in the united nation)

This is how you start a millitary arms race.

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Because nobody is going to get a good nights sleep if they knew a kid with three command seals could wake up tomorrow with a world cracker and have a bad day that results in the entire world going boom


Fairly certain the chance of anyone command sealing Gil into trying to destroy the world is nil, they'd be dead before they could finish the command. He's the only world-ending effect, and presumably being on an island in the Pacific stops anyone from having Karna nuke a country.

People might be terrified at first but it'd quickly decay to your same-old existential dread as nobody is actually threatening anyone else and this also means some of history's greatest inventors and artists are also around again.

Your biggest insurance against all these things is, ironically, Gilgamesh + Sha Naqba Imuru. Unless he goes obviously insane, that clairvoyance (and anything else like it--there's enough historical prophets) is good advance warning. It's self-policing.

Would cause such a massive war of culture.


Summoning process solves that.
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@1Charak2: If we're going to insist that mystery still functions like that, the fact that there's a location in the middle of the pacific ocean that lets you summon historical and mythological figures is pretty mysterious, given not even the Association understands how it works. >.>

Servants can fire themselves, yes, but they can also resist being fired. And Servants are part of Fusang's law enforcement, meaning that someone trying to escape to use a Servant as a weapon is immediately going to be attacked by other Servants. Karna can still be defeated by other Servants. So can all your other heavy-hitters.

You don't start an arms race because you literally cannot have an arms race against Servants. What do you even do to try and surpass them? There's nothing. So rather then provoking the island full of superhumans that's policing itself effectively, maintaining an at least neutral relationship seems like the vastly better choice.

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Again the leylines wouldn't even sustain such a place because mystery would be dying. The only way this even works is if fusang is as a result of a grail wish and is thus exists in a space that is so choked full of mystery that anything occuring inside of it works independently.

Command seals function as absolutes, not even Gilgamesh can resist them, the only reason one wouldn't use a command seal on gilgamesh is once that command is carried out, gilgamesh would murder you immediately after due to his ego. However even Saber who showed a strong will, was still forced to destroy the Grail, the entire thing she strived for. So Command seals can force a servant to go against their own will and deploy an NP.

Who watchs the watchmen
When you have servants policing themselves, at what point do the masters become irreverent as anything more then cattle, since its obvious at that point the only thing stopping servants is other servants. At which point is it ethical to even have command seals in that society.

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And technically the way to start an arms race against servants is to set up your own servant summoning method. Which eventaully makes fusang wholly irrelevent as a hub of servants.

Though there is a really easy response to this and that is to say Fusang isn't the only place where servants are, but it is the only place where they are allowed to roam freely due to its remoteness. Because anywhere else would have massive restrictions on servants. But I wouldn't find it strange if servants were allowed small trips to their homeland on good behavior (evil aligned servants aren't allowed to leave fusang for instance)

(and of course we'll just ignore mystery as a sort of stopgap measure to handwave the world knowing)

Im just trying to wrap my head around Fusangs place on a global level that is all.

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