[OOC] Edea Odyssey

[Pyromania99]

Bunny doesn't like bunnies eaten in front of her. They have to be cooked first

[Rune_Alchemist]

Added some info to the CS section about the first two areas. All of your characters are free to know about this information before-hand. Anything else though, will have to be discovered in the RP~

[Superman]

@Rune_Alchemist GIVE ME THE FORESTS, I LIVE FOR THE CHALLENGE AND EAT TROLLS FOR BREAKFAST.

[Ariamis]

Nazr is more at home in dank caves, so he's going to the Grotto. Though if the other party wants mind control against the troll tribe he can be convinced to traverse the jungle.

[Rune_Alchemist]

Nazr is more at home in dank caves, so he's going to the Grotto. Though if the other party wants mind control against the troll tribe he can be convinced to traverse the jungle.

@Ariamis

Just gonna go ahead and say this before we start - I said don't go crazy with it, and I am going to be somewhat strict in it's usage so things don't get too easy or a cake walk for you guys.

As you put in his CS, it'll only work against creatures with less than human 'intelligence'.

Now, something like that is very difficult to completely judge. These Jungle Trolls? Yeah, they're just as smart as your average human. They might have a different culture, language, and might seem less so because humans tend to look down on different groups of humans, but they're just as 'intelligent' as them. Same go for Kobolds, Gnolls, and any other group of non-humans you will all meet.

His mind control will be less effective against certain things as you might think as well. Fish, dogs, those Piranha Hounds and other animals....they would easily be dealt with by his Mind Control. Probably at least. There will definitely be some exceptions.

[Ariamis]

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Just gonna go ahead and say this before we start - I said don't go crazy with it, and I am going to be somewhat strict in it's usage so things don't get too easy or a cake walk for you guys.

As you put in his CS, it'll only work against creatures with less than human 'intelligence'.

Now, something like that is very difficult to completely judge. These Jungle Trolls? Yeah, they're just as smart as your average human. They might have a different culture, language, and might seem less so because humans tend to look down on different groups of humans, but they're just as 'intelligent' as them. Same go for Kobolds, Gnolls, and any other group of non-humans you will all meet.

His mind control will be less effective against certain things as you might think as well. Fish, dogs, those Piranha Hounds and other animals....they would easily be dealt with by his Mind Control. Probably at least. There will definitely be some exceptions.

@Rune_Alchemist

Well geez, I didn't expect you to get this pissy about it. I didn't intend to use it on every encounter, just the more tougher ones, and I just suggested the use of the skill to the jungle party in case they wanted it. But since you're going to nerf it to oblivion like that I guess there's no point then.
I can accept that some groups like trolls are as intelligent as humans, but making all non-human groups as smart as humans in terms of intelligence seems too extreme of a measure to prevent Nazr from using the skill.

[Superman]

@Ariamis I think what he meant is don't, like, abuse the shit out of it and make them all kill themselves and just completely bypass the encounter entirely. Like, it may be "less effective" like not complete mind control, but at least to some degree. In DnD there is a spell where you can suggest things to creatures, but it can't be to kill themselves or do something too far from what they'd normally do. Kind of like "You should leave, it's dangerous" or "There seems like some expensive loot over there". Just mild suggestions like that seem reasonable to things like trolls and kobolds. And the less intelligent, the more control, but maybe not like full blown control until you get more powerful or they're really stupid.

But that's just my two cents, to maybe suggest something

[Ariamis]

@Superman
This is how I was planning to go about this; Nazr would never order a suicide, but maybe direct the creature(s) towards a different objective that fits with their state of mind, or just stay in a trance-like state so he could feed on a living brain or two. But I think basic kobolds at the very least should be considered less intelligent than humans; elite kobolds and chieftains can be smarter.

[Rune_Alchemist]

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Well geez, I didn't expect you to get this pissy about it. I didn't intend to use it on every encounter, just the more tougher ones, and I just suggested the use of the skill to the jungle party in case they wanted it. But since you're going to nerf it to oblivion like that I guess there's no point then.
I can accept that some groups like trolls are as intelligent as humans, but making all non-human groups as smart as humans in terms of intelligence seems too extreme of a measure to prevent Nazr from using the skill.

@Ariamis

I wasn't getting pissy about anything, and I have certainly not Nerfed it. However, I admittedly perhaps had a wrong choice of wording there. By 'Non-humans' I meant anything humanoid, with a mouth, that can talk in some manner, and isn't some sort of mindless beast. Kobolds, 'Jungle Trolls', Goblins...this has all been planned before Nazr was even made. I find that making all non-humans 'unintelligent' is rather boring, and also rather extreme makes for interaction with them usually devolve into fighting.

While fighting is going to be a main focus of this RP, it's also exploration and discovery...which also includes mingling with other races of humanoid people.

You yourself are the one who gave it the limitation of it not affecting creatures of human level intelligence, and if you hadn't given it that limitation I would have just said straight up no since any sort of direct mind control is completely off limits in my opinion.

@Superman
This is how I was planning to go about this; Nazr would never order a suicide, but maybe direct the creature(s) towards a different objective that fits with their state of mind, or just stay in a trance-like state so he could feed on a living brain or two. But I think basic kobolds at the very least should be considered less intelligent than humans; elite kobolds and chieftains can be smarter.

@Ariamis

We'll just have to agree to disagree there.

@Superman
Additionally, what Supes here said. It won't be complete mind control, but against certain animals and beasts of higher-intelligence, but (not quite up there on the human spectrum) it will definitely give them 'suggestions' and hinder them in some way.

[Ariamis]

@Rune_Alchemist
Fine then. It seems we have a different idea of what human intelligence actually means, but I guess I'll have to accept Nazr's career change to a glorified animal tamer.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I suspect that you refer to sentience when talking about human intelligence. Creatures can be sentient without necessarily being as intelligent as humans. At least, that's how it goes for DnD. But if goblins in Edea can write a university degree then I can't say anything about it.

[Rune_Alchemist]

@Rune_Alchemist
Fine then. It seems we have a different idea of what human intelligence actually means, but I guess I'll have to accept Nazr's career change to a glorified animal tamer.

Edit: Now that I think about it, I suspect that you refer to sentience when talking about human intelligence. Creatures can be sentient without necessarily being as intelligent as humans. At least, that's how it goes for DnD.

@Ariamis

...I think you're misunderstanding me. In traditional DnD scenarios, they may very well not be as intelligent as humans.

But this isn't DnD, as I have never played DnD or other such 'traditional' fantasy games as I really don't like them.

Basically - they may not be 'Sentient' or 'Intelligent' in DnD, but in this scenario, they are, since this isn't DnD. It's very difficult to quantify what 'intelligence' actually is. You can't very well say all humans are of the same intelligence. They all of the potential to be quite intelligent, but that doesn't make all of the human race geniuses.

[Ariamis]

@Rune_Alchemist
Alright then. I don't want this to end up in an argument, so I'll just say I don't like treating goblins/similar beings and humans as being equal in terms of any kind of mental capability. However, since that's how it is in your game I'll just have to roll with it, and be a blind squid who can whisper to dogs.

[Superman]

@Rune_Alchemist I'm the one who brought up DnD actually, and is was only for an example. I think the best solution would be he just uses it, being mindful of limitations. And it can be situational based. If you disapprove of it or think it's too powerful at the moment you can ask him to edit it. Because I really think you're both on the same page for the most part but have trouble understanding that.

I'm sure once he starts using it you'll be satisfied to the level he uses it, and if not you can tell him, suggest things, work it out from there to get a better understanding. Because at the moment is it theoretical and not being but into action, per say, and I think that's where the miscommunication lies. You both have said that the character is able to manipulate thoughts, not necessarily control them fully, depending on the "intelligence" level. Although willpower of each individual may be a better solution, where maybe some may not be the "smartest" but have the "willpower" to fight it off. There would probably be an average for a certain group of monsters or race, but would vary from person to person, bosses or higher ups being less susceptible. As the character gets stronger, he can overcome creatures with a stronger willpower and influence them more, for longer, and cause different effects.

Again, just simply being a neautral party on the matter, but I believe once we actually have some IC going and the character gets put into use, I'm sure things will smooth out.

[Rune_Alchemist]

@Superman
That's the way I'm going to probably be running things. I was honestly just mentioning it because I felt like it needed to be mentioned - and I am glad that I did. Intelligence is incredibly hard to classify across an entire group of people.

Anyways, enough of that.

@Lauder

how's that CS coming?

[Ariamis]

In all honesty, the main reason I picked the power was only so Nazr could eat the brains of living and thinking creatures. If he can do so by other means, then I'm willing to change the power.

[Rune_Alchemist]

Well, what's just stopping him from sneaking up on someone? He looks human enough, and once someone/something gets close enough for him to grab I don't see why he wouldn't just be able to suck out their brains?

The Brainsuckers in Bloodborne are pretty good at this, and are basically Mindflayers.

Brainsucker sucking brains

He'd have to be smart with it, certainly, but once something gets caught by that I don't realistically see them getting away since he's eating their brain. Plus, he could theoretically bind something with telekinesis, given its strength was weaker than his mental abilities.

[Superman]

@Rune_Alchemist NO I HATED THOSE THINGS GOD DAMMIT BLOODBORNE YOU BRING BACK BAD MEMORIES

[ERode]

Goddamn brain suckers. Guess you'll be stuck with GMing two separate parties for some time then, Rune. Tsukiko has a higher chance of getting along with doujin-orcs than with brain-suckers. XD

[Rune_Alchemist]

@Rune_Alchemist NO I HATED THOSE THINGS GOD DAMMIT BLOODBORNE YOU BRING BACK BAD MEMORIES

@Superman

Uuuugh.

Don't even get me started on the bullshit ones in the Upper Cathedral Ward. Those things rekt me so hard on my first play through.

Goddamn brain suckers. Guess you'll be stuck with GMing two separate parties for some time then, Rune. Tsukiko has a higher chance of getting along with doujin-orcs than with brain-suckers. XD

@ERode

That's fine xD

I am prepared for that~

[Superman]

@ERode Well teeeeeeechnically you would never know until he ate one. But still, makes me want to wear my helmet 24/7