Fate/Exit Order

[Parallel Hearts]

Ok, since I clicked on this by accident, I'll reply to just these last two before going. Otherwise I maight end up forgetting them when I'm back.

@Parallel Hearts

Musings

Technically this would make Tiamat (The Goddess Not the System that is Beast II) a viable existence. Hera on the other hand would make a pretty fun servant, being the mother of heros and all that.

That said, King Protea maintains her 'presence' as an earth mother goddess, due to having EX ranked Divine Core when manifested outside of the Mooncell

(better then being a literal living Noble phantasm)

Technically since we don't have the 'humans' pseudo servants would instead be manifested as their full selfs would they not? Which means we get True Ishtar (as an alter ego)

Ishtar true self, by the guy that drew mozart and darius

Finally wouldn't the 'extinction' of humans completely ruin the human half the counterforce? Unless of course that half is so reduced that its now clinging onto a servant container for existence.

Questions questions.

@1Charak2

Most of what you are asking here fall under the "accepting compromises" part of of my previous explanation. It's not impossible to have a downgraded Ishtar or Eresh, or anyone else, around but at least Ishtar has a really, really nasty personality when she's not bonded to Rin, so she wouldn't likely be a good solo Servants. Having the Moon Cell "temper" her by choosing a compatible vessel from within its database (Rin existed on the Moon Cell, after all) and then, shoving Eresh there to ensure that none of the two goddesses would get too out of hand isn't out of question by any means.

Also, I wouldn't muse too much on esoteric concepts like the Counter Force unless it's a fundamental part of a character you have in mind. If we start to grasp at the loose threads of the Nasuverse we will never end. So, keeping it simple is the best thing to do.

@Parallel Hearts

I already have Constantine's church NP drafted, so it's only the matter of polishing it at this time, though I must ask what the classifications of spiritual bodies are in the Moon Cell, and if anti-spirit capabilities are still as effective as they are within a standard Holy Grail War. The Church he built is what is essentially the holiest place in Christendom, where Jesus was crucified and buried/resurrected, and I had it drafted to do some crazy effects~

As for Constantine's status as a Saint, I do think he meets the qualifications of being a Superstar Saint. He's considered to be the Thirteenth Apostle due to his contributions to Christianity, which I dove into in his Backstory, and his status as a Saint is unquestioned.

@Cu Chulainn

Now that you mention it like this, I suppose its a good case. If Karl can have a B Rank on this Skill, I suppose that allowing Constantine to have an A is alright.

Also, silly me, it seems that I was thinking of the effects of an A Rank when I mentioned it earlier. So, you can have it since it's much less complicated than trying to understand what the lower Ranks do... for the sake of convenience.

[Reflection]

So I have a few options for Saber. This is the only one I have at the moment with a fully completed sheet. My other ideas at the moment are Saladin, Archbishop Turpin, and Caílte mac Rónáin.

The Man Who Killed Siegfried

Class: Saber
True Name: Hagen
Origin: Nibelungenlied
Height/Weight: 195cm / 77kg

Appearance

Alignment: Neutral Good

Personality: He is a hero. To many he was the greatest possible hero, and one destined for greatness. But he was a man who was tasked with a mission, and that mission turned him into the villain. The actions he took in life blackened his name, and turned him into the slayer of heroes. As a Saber class servant, he carries the guilt of his actions heavy in his heart. Shamed of what he did, and hopeful to make amends. He is not yet the twisted and heartless killer of heroes, but a man who made a poor choice. It is a wonder what he will be like in later times.
Backstory: Due to Siegfried's nature as someone who did as he asked without question, he was involved in the dilemma between his brother-in-law, King Gunthur, and the woman Gunther desired, Brünnhilde. As the various circumstances came to a head, Siegfried was left with no choice but to die to stop conflict between Brünnhilde and his own wife, Kriemhild. He exclaimed to his friend Hagen, “Ah, the situation is beyond my control. Hagen, I am invincible and so have never once been wounded by you. But even so, if I don’t have you kill me…”

Hagen sought to grant Siegfried's wish, having formulated a plan to slay him after having tenaciously searched for Siegfried's weak point. Though he knew it was a cowardly act, Hagen aimed for Siegfried's back as he drank water from a stream, Siegfried himself not resisting the blow. He died as a "tragic hero who received a sneak attack due to trickery." Hagen became known as "a rare villain who had killed the hero through foul play." The situation after did not go as Siegfried planned, his wife later causing many to die in her revenge plot.

— Parameters —
STR: B| END: A| AGI: B| MAG: A| LCK: E| NP: B

— Class Skills —
- Magic Resistance A+: Cancel spells of A-Rank or below, no matter what High-Thaumaturgy it is. In practice, the Servant is untouchable to modern magi, so it would not be an exaggeration to title the Servant a 'Magus Killer'. Because of his elf bloodline, his strength in this skill sits at this high peak.
- Riding B: Most vehicles and animals can be handled with above average skill, even vehicles that did not exist in the time period one was alive in, for they are no exception. However, cannot ride the likes of Phantasmal Species such as Monstrous Beasts.

— Personal Skills —
- Battle Continuation B: Hagen was one of the last casualties of 'Fall of the Nibelungs.' As such, he was able to refuse the demands of his enemy, and only being beheaded ended his life. His not being fully human can be argued as a part of this unusual strength.
- Half-Elf B: Hagen is a half elf. As a Saber, this part of him is suppressed more than it would be as an Avenger. His power to utilize magic jumps up rapidly, to a degree where his efficiency in magic is beyond anything humans are traditionally capable of. As a Saber, he is more in line with that of a light elf, so the magic he constructs his more pure in nature. More for healing and protecting than for cursing and killing.
- Proof of Friendship A: A Skill to suppress an enemy Servant's fighting spirit to a certain extent, where then a dialogue can begin. However, the enemy Servant must not possess a Mental Pollution Skill. In regard to a Holy Grail War, an advantageous check can be obtained when constructing temporary alliances. This is a skill fit for a man who before his murder of Siegfried, was loved by many, and had many friendships. Something he cast aside when he became a murderer.

— Armaments —
The blade he wields is nothing short of a monstrous weapon, that even heroes look down upon. Dainsleif. The blade that brings the man who wields it to ruin and suffering.
Using Light Conversion, Hagen is able to convert his magical energy into light energy. His main method is to create flashes of light, or to heal those around him. It can be forged into his weapons temporarily, allowing him to strike with bursts of energy.

— Noble Phantasms —

Noble Phantasms

Title: Dainsleif: Demon Sword of the Great Betrayer
Rank: B
NP Type: Anti-Army
Range: 1-50
Maximum Number of Targets: 200
Description: A demonic blade of the Nibelungs. The tribe crafted Balmung, the holy blade designed to kill dragons. But on that day, a slip created another blade. A horrible blade of demons that killed the hero known as Sigurd. Before it traveled many distances, to become the very blade that ended the life of the hero Siegfried. As if the blade itself was destined to ruin the life of heroes.
Eventually though, the cursed blade fell into the hands of Hagen, who wielded it honorably for many years before killing Siegfried. It became his in legend and name, and is tied to his betrayals. The blade draws in all the ruination and curses directed towards its wielder. Becoming what can be called a cauldron of curses and hatred, and uses them to attack.
Any hero struck with this blade will feel the grudges seep into their body. The curses are strong enough to keep any wound from healing, no matter the matters taken. Any damage is also amplified by the surge of curses, dealing extra damage to the victim. As such, a minor cut becomes a blood soaking gash. Tearing victims apart, and ensuring their deaths.
When the true name is called, the grudges and curses become a pinpointed energy. Firing a barrage of curses and grudges that tear apart the ground, and fill the air with death. The potency of this noble phantasm is amplified by the aspect of targeting a servant's weak point. Even if unknown to Hagen, the blade senses weakness in its enemies, and targets those spots. For Servants like Achilles, Seigfried, or those with famous weakspots, this barrage is fatal.

Title: Das Rheingold: Cursed Treasure of the Dragon
Rank: -
NP Type: Curse
Range: -
Maximum Number of Targets: -
Description: An unending mountain of treasure that Siegfried gained from defeating Fafnir. Siegfried claims the amount was exaggerated, but says there was a large amount left even by the time his great-grandson was an old man. After killing Siegfried, the treasure fell into the hands of Hagen. This gives him unending wealth, that he can call upon at any given moment to pay his debts. But the curse tied to the treasure remains. If the treasure is allowed to flow freely, the humans who find it will become prisoners of the great wealth, eventually causing much destruction as the country is filled with betrayal and distrust.
Due to being a noble phantasm tied to his actions after the death of Siegfried, Hagen is mostly unaware he possesses it. If a master forces him to use it, his spirit origin begins to change as a result of the curse, and his conflicting existence. As a result, he risks becoming more and more like his form as an Avenger. One that is tied to the the life that came afterwards.

[Red Alice]

@Parallel Hearts

What sort of threat(s) are we going up against? Is this Velber again?

Additionally, has the Moon Cell sealed off its core like in Extella?

[Sunglass]

If there's still room in this i would like to join.

[Crusader Lord]

Is this Velber again?

So much PTSD from the first time, the Moon Cell has.

[Parallel Hearts]

@Parallel Hearts

What sort of threat(s) are we going up against? Is this Velber again?

Additionally, has the Moon Cell sealed off its core like in Extella?

@Red Alice

I hope you don't mind it, but I would like to leave these questions to answer in the RP properly said. Not because of spoilers, but because I'm not 100% sure of the whole scenario yet.

That said, you can be more or less certain that it'll be aliens behind all it. If not Velber, it'll be something up to its level like the Aristoteles. That, you all will face Servants and autonomous programs as the bulk of the opposing for one way or another.

If there's still room in this i would like to join.

@Sunglass

You're welcome.

[Parallel Hearts]

For everyone else, including those with CSs already ready for evaluation, the link to the main thread is here:

https://www.roleplayerguild.com/topics/177088-fate-exit-order/ooc

[Red Alice]

@Parallel Hearts
That's understandable! Sorry for grilling you on it.

[Parallel Hearts]

@Duoya@BlueHelix@floodtalon@Yukitamas@Crusader Lord@Love Detective@Sunglass

If any of you are still interested, the link to the main thread is a couple posts above.