Ask an Admin, v2.

[Skullwombat]

@Skullwombat cumzone was an interesting example to choose... the warning thing is maybe a little harsh but to be honest if they gave them the benefit of the doubt by not issuing a ban discussing a warning (even in joke form) in statuses seems a good way to wear the good will out.

@Aqua Regis

The person themselves asked me to tell you.

I'm not really making any statements on this.

[Ruby]

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If people want to troll, they're going to find a way to do so; we've seen that from RPGO to the status bar.

Beyond that, posting in good faith is a requirement of this thread, so troll responses, even if there's a point behind them, are removed.

@LegendBegins

^

[BurningDaisies]

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While they ignore us and continue breaking site rules?

Let's admit there absolutely is no perfect solution here because there is no automated system for it.

@Ruby

Seems like the operating model could use some fine-tuning, both from a technical viewpoint and a procedural one.

Is the only one who can push updates to the site, Mahz?

[somnolence]

@Skullwombat cumzone was an interesting example to choose... the warning thing is maybe a little harsh but to be honest if they gave them the benefit of the doubt by not issuing a ban discussing a warning (even in joke form) in statuses seems a good way to wear the good will out.

@Ruby ah I feared it might be a technical limitation that prevented this kind of automation.

@Aqua Regis

It wasn't an example, it happened. By the way, someone said the same thing a little bit afterwards and wasn't banned. We all know Odin, and I wouldn't be surprised if he got permabanned for doing something extremely stupid, but in this instance it seemed uncalled for. Especially considering the double standard.

[Red7VII]

Maybe this is already being done and maybe my understanding of the situation is lacking. However, my suggestion would be to quickly review and likely roll back any controversial bans that lack merit, execute a policy of a written warning detailing the offense and consequences to a person violating TOS. If violations continue, issue a temporary ban for admins to review. I think it's only reasonable that a permanent ban have 2 admins sign off in agreement.

Also, in an effort to cease toxicity, I would also delete this thread. This is just giving negativity a platform. If anyone wants to Ask An Admin, they can contact the admins privately.

My two cents. Good luck!

[Ruby]

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Yet, I reached out about it and after I sent the PM on my alt, I was banned. I had asked for the reason, and I was given a short and curt response. So, I reached out and it wasn't cleared up at all, contrary to what you say ...

@somnolence

Site mods were banning alts and it wasn't until that ended that we were able to look back and make corrections.

<Snipped quote by Ruby>

Seems like the operating model could use some fine-tuning, both from a technical viewpoint and a procedural one.

Is the only one who can push updates to the site, Mahz?

@BurningDaisies

As far as I know.

[Ruby]

Maybe this is already being done and maybe my understanding of the situation is lacking. However, my suggestion would be to quickly review and likely roll back any controversial bans that lack merit, execute a policy of a written warning detailing the offense and consequences to a person violating TOS. If violations continue, issue a temporary ban for admins to review. I think it's only reasonable that a permanent ban have 2 admins sign off in agreement.

Also, in an effort to cease toxicity, I would also delete this thread. This is just giving negativity a platform. If anyone wants to Ask An Admin, they can contact the admins privately.

My two cents. Good luck!

@RedVII

I will say any further bad faith posts will be removed. So if you wanna throw hate do so in PMs.

[somnolence]

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I will say any further bad faith posts will be removed. So if you wanna throw hate do so in PMs.

@Ruby

None of my posts are done out of bad faith, but because I've been on this site since i was 15 years old (im 21 now) and never have i been in trouble until now, because of unfair decisions made by moderators.

As is, I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I haven't gotten any substantial responses from you and I doubt any changes will ever be made. I'd be happy to have a conversation with Mahz himself if he could ever make time for a ember of the website he created.

EDIT: There was a post above me that wasn't done in bad faith and has been deleted. Case in point.

[Ruby]

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None of my posts are done out of bad faith, but because I've been on this site since i was 15 years old (im 21 now) and never have i been in trouble until now, because of unfair decisions made by moderators.

As is, I'm going to stop posting in this thread because I haven't gotten any substantial responses from you and I doubt any changes will ever be made. I'd be happy to have a conversation with Mahz himself if he could ever make time for a ember of the website he created.

@somnolence

My head is spinning. Your last ban sounds like site staff got you in the craze of whatever day it was the status bar was hijacked. That sucks for both parties but definitely for the ban. If you want PM me and I'll be happy to make sure that's what happened and no record of it was made. (Do it can't be weighed against you in the future.)

[Skullwombat]

Ruby, please do not delete my posts. I am genuinely not posting in bad faith. My post was about having a discussion about how mods should be held accountable, the issue I entered this thread with, and I was not attacking you personally even though people have been claiming that of me.

[Ruby]

Ruby, please do not delete my posts. I am genuinely not posting in bad faith. My post was about having a discussion about how mods should be held accountable, the issue I entered this thread with, and I was not attacking you personally even though people have been claiming that of me.

@Skullwombat

Not the thread for that. If you have questions I can answer that's fine but this isn't your platform for the anti-mod thing.

[Skullwombat]

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Not the thread for that. If you have questions I can answer that's fine but this isn't your platform for the anti-mod thing.

@Ruby

Would you be okay with me making a thread about the moderation policy on this site, then? Because if I cannot discuss it here, I would wish to discuss it elsewhere. If you claim this is not my platform, please let me make my own.

[Ruby]

@Skullwombat

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"Anti-mod thing"? Are you trying to insinuate that everyone criticizing your actions as mod/admin is only doing it because he's rebelling against authority, any and all authority, indiscriminately?

@pugbutter

Didn't you call me every name under the sun a few years ago?

I KNOW you're not here in good faith.

[Hero]

I disagree with the suggestion to delete the thread, that is precisely the sort of action that resulted in the eruption of this thread.

I think the base of every legit concern so far comes from a place of frustration. It's obvious they are feeling like they aren't being heard and their opinions are either being dismissed or outright censured. The ability to discuss things as a community is important, and while most people are content to lurk and talk behind closed doors, whatever is discussed in public has the notion that it's being seen. People want to see that they're being listened to, and unfortunately PMs are, well, private, and can feel inconsequential, especially when very little changes after the matter.

Please, I love this site and I actually like a majority of the people here. But you have to understand why people are acting the way they are. And ultimately, that's what all this comes down to: people feel they aren't being heard. I know I'm repeating myself but I have to emphasize on it because I genuinely feel that point is being missed.

[Lady Absinthia]

I am usually bent to keep to myself these days but this is getting a touch out of hand. So, I have a question: what do you believe the mods or admins could do to better give transparency to issues as well as bring the community together because it is desperately needed. Please note that this is what the staff could do, not what the members should do. That is another topic entirely.

I am asking this of Ruby alone, not other staff nor other members, so I ask both respectfully to keep their personal thoughts or comments out of it as to not add fuel to an already overly zealous fire. Thank you.

[Ruby]

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Would you be okay with me making a thread about the moderation policy on this site, then? Because if I cannot discuss it here, I would wish to discuss it elsewhere. If you claim this is not my platform, please let me make my own.

@Skullwombat

Go ahead. It will still be subject to site rules. So...be careful.

[Skullwombat]

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Go ahead. It will still be subject to site rules. So...be careful.

@Ruby

What so you mean "be subject to the site rules" in this context? I have been trying my best to avoid breaking them all up to now, so this reads as if I'm doing something wrong by default. Are you really allowing me to post the thread, or are you simply saying "go ahead and try it because I will delete it anyway?"

I don't want to put any words in your mouth, but I do get the feeling it is the latter. I apologise if I assume incorrectly, but I do wish to confirm you are not out to shut down this hypothetical thread the moment I post it.